Donnington 4th November
Discussion
It's on the eerc website under events:
www.eerc.co.uk/cms/e107_files/afm/Donington%20-%20TT%205th%20August%2006%20-%20Iss%205.doc
Kevin
www.eerc.co.uk/cms/e107_files/afm/Donington%20-%20TT%205th%20August%2006%20-%20Iss%205.doc
Kevin
Ah, but will Jemco racing have a band playing outside their purple spotted camper vans this time. Hopefully so as a couple of us jocks are coming back down to marshal this event as we had such a good time at the 24hr. Must be mad for a 1 day meeting, but worth it for the show you guys put on.
Richard, you GT2 guys certainly kept us warm at Sunny In the other week at Croft with the flames coming out the exhausts!!! Very impressive sight.
scottishmarshal
Richard, you GT2 guys certainly kept us warm at Sunny In the other week at Croft with the flames coming out the exhausts!!! Very impressive sight.
scottishmarshal
Thanks for the kind word regarding Croft. It has been an awful season for us in Britcar. I think we have been fastest all year but we have nothing to show for it. As they say, to finish first, first you have to finish! The unreliability has been due to silly things. We "lost" three races due to tyre blow outs - Dunlop have now given us a different tyre that seems to be fine - and two others due to a gearbox and engine failure respectively. Oh, and we have had some bad luck as well, take Oulton when we pitted in the lead only for the race to be red flagged and we went from first to fifth in the pits!!!! Still, its our first year in Britcar and we have learnt a lot - we needed to! We are doing the Guy Fawkes race, lets hope there are no fireworks from our car, and then the car is being rebuilt for 2007. For us, Britcar is unfinished business and we intend to show people that a 35 year old car built in a garage can win!!! (With lots of luck!).
I reckon James will amalgamate the V8's with Britcar at Donington. I wouldn't besuprised if the S1's joined in as well but it all depends on grids.
Hope to see you all there.
Richard.
I reckon James will amalgamate the V8's with Britcar at Donington. I wouldn't besuprised if the S1's joined in as well but it all depends on grids.
Hope to see you all there.
Richard.
I find the whole thing a little odd. I had assumed that if you wanted to run a number of races on a particular day you would publicise race format, race duration, entry fees and entry forms well in advance, then chase entries. I could understand if this was subsequently changed if a particular race did not attract sufficient entries.
Instead what we seemed to have was a very vague outline of what might be in the day, hidden in the EERC website - as a driver/team we need something more definite to make a commitment and finalise plans.
I have since had a couple of conversations with James, understand better where things are (in relation to the V8s) and I gave some feedback some of which I understand will be acted upon. The website has been updated to lose the 24 Hour race live commentary - but like many others I find the site difficult to navigate and information is vague at best. That may be ok if you have raced in Britcar/Britsport etc before, the format is well established and you know what to expect in terms of race format and entry fees. But as someone new to EERC looking to run in a new series (the V8s) it is very off putting.
If James does merge the V8s and Britcar for this one then we won't be racing as my fuel tank restricts me to running for 30 minutes maximum, and I don't have dry breaks.
As regards the V8s for 2007, James needs commitment from sufficient drivers/teams/cars to make the series viable. I did comment that it would be helpful to have a proposition that people could commit to, and I understand James is working on literature which will do this.
I also wondered whether the V8 series should be restricted to V8 powered cars? Why not any 'Supercar'?. My definition of 'supercar' would include any powerful saloon or sports/GT car (but not sports prototype cars like Radicals etc). Currently these cars run in one make or one marque series, many of which are struggling for numbers (Ferrari owners club for example).
There must be a market for drivers not interested in endurance racing but wanting to do sprint races in these cars in a series with more competition, higher profile and more races/tracktime in a weekend than they currently get?
Any thoughts....?
Instead what we seemed to have was a very vague outline of what might be in the day, hidden in the EERC website - as a driver/team we need something more definite to make a commitment and finalise plans.
I have since had a couple of conversations with James, understand better where things are (in relation to the V8s) and I gave some feedback some of which I understand will be acted upon. The website has been updated to lose the 24 Hour race live commentary - but like many others I find the site difficult to navigate and information is vague at best. That may be ok if you have raced in Britcar/Britsport etc before, the format is well established and you know what to expect in terms of race format and entry fees. But as someone new to EERC looking to run in a new series (the V8s) it is very off putting.
If James does merge the V8s and Britcar for this one then we won't be racing as my fuel tank restricts me to running for 30 minutes maximum, and I don't have dry breaks.
As regards the V8s for 2007, James needs commitment from sufficient drivers/teams/cars to make the series viable. I did comment that it would be helpful to have a proposition that people could commit to, and I understand James is working on literature which will do this.
I also wondered whether the V8 series should be restricted to V8 powered cars? Why not any 'Supercar'?. My definition of 'supercar' would include any powerful saloon or sports/GT car (but not sports prototype cars like Radicals etc). Currently these cars run in one make or one marque series, many of which are struggling for numbers (Ferrari owners club for example).
There must be a market for drivers not interested in endurance racing but wanting to do sprint races in these cars in a series with more competition, higher profile and more races/tracktime in a weekend than they currently get?
Any thoughts....?
I, too, find the EERC site difficult and unhelpful. It is slow and the links are not very user friendly.
I had forgotton about the fuel tanks on the V8's so the races can't really be amalgamated. I just hope the grids for both are OK. I think opening out the V8 series to a range of Supercars would be good. In fact, I have wondered if our car would fit better in that than Britcar. There are definately some hairy cars out there without V8 power - Jaguar 220, Ferrari of all descriptions etc - and they could put on a good race. Thinking about it, is that not the same as Dutch Supercars?
Food for thought......
Richard.
I had forgotton about the fuel tanks on the V8's so the races can't really be amalgamated. I just hope the grids for both are OK. I think opening out the V8 series to a range of Supercars would be good. In fact, I have wondered if our car would fit better in that than Britcar. There are definately some hairy cars out there without V8 power - Jaguar 220, Ferrari of all descriptions etc - and they could put on a good race. Thinking about it, is that not the same as Dutch Supercars?
Food for thought......
Richard.
935 said:
There are definately some hairy cars out there without V8 power - Jaguar 220, Ferrari of all descriptions etc - and they could put on a good race. Thinking about it, is that not the same as Dutch Supercars?
Food for thought......
Richard.
Food for thought......
Richard.
Yep - the Dutch Supercars run a format of 2 or 3 x 45 minute or 60 minute races across a whole weekend as opposed to the longer races EERC hold, often on a single day. Refuelling and tyre changes mid race not required, so keeping overall costs down.
I'd be surprised if there weren't people in the UK with cars who want more than the usual club racing 15 minute quallifying, one 20 minute race. At the moment its do that, convert the car to do endurance races, or sell the car and do something like Ginettas.
Other than the Castle Combe Special GT, which in my opinion has too wide a definition of eligible cars, there is nowhere for big/powerful GT style or super saloons to do sprint racing.
I think people would pay entry fees of £500 ish for a Saturday with 20-25 mins free practice, same again for qually and on Sunday two 25-30 minute races.
The tricky bit is bringing them all together in time for 2007. I suspect you'd get some cracking races over these relatively short distances and it would have great spectator appeal if the grids were a reasonable size.
Also from James' perspective it could pull in cars from elsewhere rather than from Britcar, so he wouldn't be robbing Peter to pay Paul.
Edited by Griff2be on Wednesday 4th October 14:29
You might want to contact Claire at the EERC and add yourself to her email listing. On the Monday after the 24 Hours she let us know that Britcar & PS1 will be amalgamated with 100min day race and a 100 min night race. V8's to have 2 x 20 min races (plus Britsports). Same programme for both Donnington & Brands.
You may now have more up to date info, but we find a quick line to Claire normally resolved most queries.
Received an e mail from Claire this afternoon which give this info, and that's fine.
I do beleive that if you want to build a new series you need to promote it and push information out, rather than wait for people to ask for it. I think this has now been taken on board. As I said to James, my comments stem from a wish to see the thing succeed, not sniping at it for the sake of it...
I do beleive that if you want to build a new series you need to promote it and push information out, rather than wait for people to ask for it. I think this has now been taken on board. As I said to James, my comments stem from a wish to see the thing succeed, not sniping at it for the sake of it...
As someone who has not been to an event but keen to see one as its only up the road at Donnington. Shame the website does not give more details or even the Donnington website. It seems that it is known if you are in the Britcar / EERC community but getting 'fresh' people to watch and into the events its hard to find info!
Well my entry's in (has been in effectively since the last Donington) so I'll be there spraying oil everywhere with my wobbly wheels. No, not really, just Joe King.
I for one won't be able to play with the Britcar's not due to the size of my fuel tank, which is quite large at 20 gallons, sadly it's the thirst of my small colonial V8 which would have drunk that lot with probably half an hour or more to spare, and since it's from an era when dry-break wasn't fitted to blundersaloons, it hasn't got it, nor would it be easy to fit it due to the position of the tank, and the the run of any plumbing to feed it.
I look forward to the 4th.. hopefully I'll get the animal to keep it's fluids in the appropriate orifices, and front wheels to answer the helm, not have a mind of their own!
I for one won't be able to play with the Britcar's not due to the size of my fuel tank, which is quite large at 20 gallons, sadly it's the thirst of my small colonial V8 which would have drunk that lot with probably half an hour or more to spare, and since it's from an era when dry-break wasn't fitted to blundersaloons, it hasn't got it, nor would it be easy to fit it due to the position of the tank, and the the run of any plumbing to feed it.
I look forward to the 4th.. hopefully I'll get the animal to keep it's fluids in the appropriate orifices, and front wheels to answer the helm, not have a mind of their own!
No to both counts.
Harry was the product of the Thundersaloon era, and originally built by Empress Race Developments for Trevor Griffiths.
A bit more info is on my website: www.teamdangerous.com
I remember the BTCC Belmont, HWR Motorsport ran it. Dog of a thing.
Rob.
Harry was the product of the Thundersaloon era, and originally built by Empress Race Developments for Trevor Griffiths.
A bit more info is on my website: www.teamdangerous.com
I remember the BTCC Belmont, HWR Motorsport ran it. Dog of a thing.
Rob.
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