First post and it's bad news about Sold Secure and Thatcham.
Discussion
I'll apologise for the abruptness of this post but I want as many people as possible to see this video clip of Sold Secure and Thatcham approved chains getting their arses kicked in significantly less time than they claim.
If you fancy a giggle, call them and ask why a couple of ordinary bods could get though these chains in seconds and Sold Secure and Thatcham can't.
Sold Secure: 01327 264687
Thatcham: 0870 5502006 (Vehicle security line is 0870 so it will sting you 13p a minute or something)
If they realise word is getting out, then MAYBE something will get done.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=VC3hFr8p2ck&mode=related&search=
Bottom line, if it's under 13mm or has a cheap padlock, it's only a very basic deterrent.
I'm the fat one in the video
If you fancy a giggle, call them and ask why a couple of ordinary bods could get though these chains in seconds and Sold Secure and Thatcham can't.
Sold Secure: 01327 264687
Thatcham: 0870 5502006 (Vehicle security line is 0870 so it will sting you 13p a minute or something)
If they realise word is getting out, then MAYBE something will get done.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=VC3hFr8p2ck&mode=related&search=
Bottom line, if it's under 13mm or has a cheap padlock, it's only a very basic deterrent.
I'm the fat one in the video
It needs to be put in perspective. We all know that if somebody wants something enough then they'll get it. Chains are just part of layered security. With an alarm and a chunky chain, the would-be thief will hopefully pass your bike by and go for an easier target.
You'd be putting your head in the sand to believe that these chains are a panacea and that your bike becomes un-nickable.
That is a pretty serious pair of bolt cutters and not too much will stand against them. Just as well that the average, opportunist thief is unlikely to be carrying them on account if their size and considerable weight. More professional thieves are obviously another story.
You'd be putting your head in the sand to believe that these chains are a panacea and that your bike becomes un-nickable.
That is a pretty serious pair of bolt cutters and not too much will stand against them. Just as well that the average, opportunist thief is unlikely to be carrying them on account if their size and considerable weight. More professional thieves are obviously another story.
I encountered 5 youths with a pair of bolt croppers one night: they were after my Honda CB100N worth about £50. The bolt croppers (and in fact the lock they were about to cut) were worth more than the bike.
IIRC the 5-minute test is based on the attacker using a series of tools from a pocketable junior hacksaw all the way up to a Stihl saw: if they come with oxy-acetylene or an angle-grinder then you may as well just give them the keys
Most scrotes walking the streets at night would find it difficult to conceal a 5-foot pair of croppers down their Kappas. Nor would they willingly blow their Giro on a pair, on the off-chance.
IIRC the 5-minute test is based on the attacker using a series of tools from a pocketable junior hacksaw all the way up to a Stihl saw: if they come with oxy-acetylene or an angle-grinder then you may as well just give them the keys
Most scrotes walking the streets at night would find it difficult to conceal a 5-foot pair of croppers down their Kappas. Nor would they willingly blow their Giro on a pair, on the off-chance.
Edited by wedg1e on Wednesday 29th November 09:08
wedg1e said:
I encountered 5 youths with a pair of bolt croppers one night: they were after my Honda CB100N worth about £50. The bolt croppers (and in fact the lock they were about to cut) were worth more than the bike.
IIRC the 5-minute test is based on the attacker using a series of tools from a pocketable junior hacksaw all the way up to a Stihl saw: if they come with oxy-acetylene or an angle-grinder then you may as well just give them the keys
Most scrotes walking the streets at night would find it difficult to conceal a 5-foot pair of croppers down their Kappas. Nor would they willingly blow their Giro on a pair, on the off-chance.
IIRC the 5-minute test is based on the attacker using a series of tools from a pocketable junior hacksaw all the way up to a Stihl saw: if they come with oxy-acetylene or an angle-grinder then you may as well just give them the keys
Most scrotes walking the streets at night would find it difficult to conceal a 5-foot pair of croppers down their Kappas. Nor would they willingly blow their Giro on a pair, on the off-chance.
Edited by wedg1e on Wednesday 29th November 09:08
Stihl saws are not part of any test criteria that I know of, certainly not Sold Secure or Thatcham. Point is that the Sold Secure or Thatcham sticker should mean that the product it is on can withstand 5 minutes of silent attack regardless of the tools used, in reality the stickers mean nothing. All we can do is guard against the silent attack, the more noise is made, the more chance of detection there will be and the more chance of a pesky 15 minutes community service if he gets caught red handed by plod. I think the Datatool Python looked "Chunky", didn't exactly do very well did it?
We are all being conned into thinking approved chains are better than they are and then getting stiffed on the putchase price for them. This video simply shows that you should not blindly trust the test authorities and as someone said in a previous post, layer your security but make sure you don't just have layers of crap.
Thanks for clarifying that; my last involvement in vehicle security was early '90s and was more electronic than mechanical. I suspect my recollection was based on a magazine test where they got destructive; I'd kind of filed it away as fact that that's how all testing was performed.
The keyword is of course 'silent': the only reason I caught the yobbos about to take my bike was that the garden gate squeaked but nobody knocked on the house door within the 4 or 5 seconds it would have taken to walk to it. They could probably have hacksawed away all night and I wouldn't have heard it.
I agree that the prices charged for chain are ludicrous: if you accept that the only thief it'll stop is the one who walks up and pushes the bike away then you may as well buy a tenner's worth of dog chain from B&Q.
The keyword is of course 'silent': the only reason I caught the yobbos about to take my bike was that the garden gate squeaked but nobody knocked on the house door within the 4 or 5 seconds it would have taken to walk to it. They could probably have hacksawed away all night and I wouldn't have heard it.
I agree that the prices charged for chain are ludicrous: if you accept that the only thief it'll stop is the one who walks up and pushes the bike away then you may as well buy a tenner's worth of dog chain from B&Q.
wedg1e said:
Thanks for clarifying that; my last involvement in vehicle security was early '90s and was more electronic than mechanical. I suspect my recollection was based on a magazine test where they got destructive; I'd kind of filed it away as fact that that's how all testing was performed.
The keyword is of course 'silent': the only reason I caught the yobbos about to take my bike was that the garden gate squeaked but nobody knocked on the house door within the 4 or 5 seconds it would have taken to walk to it. They could probably have hacksawed away all night and I wouldn't have heard it.
I agree that the prices charged for chain are ludicrous: if you accept that the only thief it'll stop is the one who walks up and pushes the bike away then you may as well buy a tenner's worth of dog chain from B&Q.
The keyword is of course 'silent': the only reason I caught the yobbos about to take my bike was that the garden gate squeaked but nobody knocked on the house door within the 4 or 5 seconds it would have taken to walk to it. They could probably have hacksawed away all night and I wouldn't have heard it.
I agree that the prices charged for chain are ludicrous: if you accept that the only thief it'll stop is the one who walks up and pushes the bike away then you may as well buy a tenner's worth of dog chain from B&Q.
You can get anchor chain for peanuts and 16mm anchor chain would hold up well against croppers but it's very soft so the hacksaw you mention would be the tool of choice (especially one with a carborundum blade)
It's all about compromises and planning.
Zanx said:
You can get anchor chain for peanuts and 16mm anchor chain would hold up well against croppers but it's very soft so the hacksaw you mention would be the tool of choice (especially one with a carborundum blade)
It's all about compromises and planning.
It's all about compromises and planning.
Well you could 'accidentally' have the chain 'accidentally' connected to the mains? Bit of rubber where it touches the bike etc.?
The smell of fried scrote may linger so you would have to buy some Febreeze too. 
For the hard of humour I am not actually advocating this, it is merely a small fantasy so I can cope with the amount of total s
s in the world. Ace-T
Carrera2 said:
Brilliant. A 'how-to' video on chain breaking.
Given that they hardly gave any trade secrets away then I'd much rather be made aware of the potential weaknesses of the chains that we may be using. Any pro bike thieves will know a shit load more ways to take your bike than that video 'gives away'.zanx said:
I'll apologise for the abruptness of this post but I want as many people as possible to see this video clip of Sold Secure and Thatcham approved chains getting their arses kicked in significantly less time than they claim.
If you fancy a giggle, call them and ask why a couple of ordinary bods could get though these chains in seconds and Sold Secure and Thatcham can't.
Sold Secure: 01327 264687
Thatcham: 0870 5502006 (Vehicle security line is 0870 so it will sting you 13p a minute or something)
If they realise word is getting out, then MAYBE something will get done.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=VC3hFr8p2ck&mode=related&search=
Bottom line, if it's under 13mm or has a cheap padlock, it's only a very basic deterrent.
I'm the fat one in the video
If you fancy a giggle, call them and ask why a couple of ordinary bods could get though these chains in seconds and Sold Secure and Thatcham can't.
Sold Secure: 01327 264687
Thatcham: 0870 5502006 (Vehicle security line is 0870 so it will sting you 13p a minute or something)
If they realise word is getting out, then MAYBE something will get done.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=VC3hFr8p2ck&mode=related&search=
Bottom line, if it's under 13mm or has a cheap padlock, it's only a very basic deterrent.
I'm the fat one in the video
Interesting video but I would liked to have seen the Almax chains also being tested alongside the ones being destroyed. I have two of Almax chains and would like the reassurance that they are much better than the standard offerings.
mandat said:
zanx said:
I'll apologise for the abruptness of this post but I want as many people as possible to see this video clip of Sold Secure and Thatcham approved chains getting their arses kicked in significantly less time than they claim.
If you fancy a giggle, call them and ask why a couple of ordinary bods could get though these chains in seconds and Sold Secure and Thatcham can't.
Sold Secure: 01327 264687
Thatcham: 0870 5502006 (Vehicle security line is 0870 so it will sting you 13p a minute or something)
If they realise word is getting out, then MAYBE something will get done.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=VC3hFr8p2ck&mode=related&search=
Bottom line, if it's under 13mm or has a cheap padlock, it's only a very basic deterrent.
I'm the fat one in the video
If you fancy a giggle, call them and ask why a couple of ordinary bods could get though these chains in seconds and Sold Secure and Thatcham can't.
Sold Secure: 01327 264687
Thatcham: 0870 5502006 (Vehicle security line is 0870 so it will sting you 13p a minute or something)
If they realise word is getting out, then MAYBE something will get done.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=VC3hFr8p2ck&mode=related&search=
Bottom line, if it's under 13mm or has a cheap padlock, it's only a very basic deterrent.
I'm the fat one in the video
Interesting video but I would liked to have seen the Almax chains also being tested alongside the ones being destroyed. I have two of Almax chains and would like the reassurance that they are much better than the standard offerings.
Your wish is my command.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=ozppzywsLsk&mode=related&search=
I was really trying with the first one but the croppers are only designed to take a max of 16mm, sticking 19mm in there just puts the handles at right angles and makes it a pig to get any leverage. Managed to twist the croppers to hell on the second chain though
Few more vids on the CaptainCropper channel. www.youtube.com/profile?user=CaptainCropper
Edited by Zanx on Tuesday 5th December 02:17
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