Create your own 968CS!
Discussion
I know a little about 968s and used to own a 944, so know their ancestory etc. I still really fancy a 968 when I can afford one, but my question is, can you create your own from a normal coupe? And what's involved? The benefit obv being - faster, and handling better.
As I understand it, there are few decent CS examples around now, and if you find one, they are a few grand more than a coupe... but you get less bits on it !
Aside from the additional bucket seats and removal of the rear seats and stiffer suspension, how much work would it take to make a coupe into a CS?? The engine is still the same right?
As I understand it, there are few decent CS examples around now, and if you find one, they are a few grand more than a coupe... but you get less bits on it !
Aside from the additional bucket seats and removal of the rear seats and stiffer suspension, how much work would it take to make a coupe into a CS?? The engine is still the same right?
davy9449 said:
Because I think the one you refer to is LHD!! Overtaking can be a b*stard!
nah, you just position the car differently to get around the car in front. I am on my 3rd LHD car and have never had a problem
davy9449 said:
My other point is, how many CS's have not done any track days? That's not to say there isn't any about like, just very hard to find.....
errr, isn't that what God intended them for??? as long as it's been looked after then it shouldn't be a problem
sleep envy said:
davy9449 said:
Because I think the one you refer to is LHD!! Overtaking can be a b*stard!
nah, you just position the car differently to get around the car in front. I am on my 3rd LHD car and have never had a problem
davy9449 said:
My other point is, how many CS's have not done any track days? That's not to say there isn't any about like, just very hard to find.....
errr, isn't that what God intended them for??? as long as it's been looked after then it shouldn't be a problem
Hmm, a little pedantic here aren't you? Look, I am merely suggesting a way of creating a CS from a nurtured car, rather than buy a car from a budding Nigel Mansell that's developed a few rattles here and there and has had about 2 front bumpers and a minor rear end (tongue in cheek). And, I didn't know God worked for Porsche!
It could even be a bit of fun for a project, which was the reason for suggesting it!
davy9449 said:
Hmm, a little pedantic here aren't you? Look, I am merely suggesting a way of creating a CS from a nurtured car, rather than buy a car from a budding Nigel Mansell that's developed a few rattles here and there and has had about 2 front bumpers and a minor rear end (tongue in cheek). And, I didn't know God worked for Porsche!
It could even be a bit of fun for a project, which was the reason for suggesting it!
It could even be a bit of fun for a project, which was the reason for suggesting it!
There are some very good cars out there that have lived half their lives on the track, have original paint and don't rattle. Of those there are a number which can only be described as mint.
Agreed, it would be a fun project but taking into account the value of the car and the amount of money needed to bring it up to CS spec, I personally don't think it's worth it as you could get an original CS for less.
I don't think I'm being pedantic, but each to their own.
PS - you've never heard of Mr Rohl?
Probably an expensive way of getting the CS experience. You'd spend a few thousand only to find none of it was recoverable on sale. Better to save or borrow the money and reclaim it at selling time. I made a profit on mine ater a couple of year as have others.
The real benefit would be that things like suspension wes fresh. Its easy to but a 968CS or 993 as I did recently to find the shocks springs etc are tired. Still OK for MOT etc but just so tired the car is miles off its best
The real benefit would be that things like suspension wes fresh. Its easy to but a 968CS or 993 as I did recently to find the shocks springs etc are tired. Still OK for MOT etc but just so tired the car is miles off its best
davy9449 said:
My other point is, how many CS's have not done any track days? That's not to say there isn't any about like, just very hard to find.....
Is this a problem?
Surely more damage can be done to a car through it's storage and use pattern day in day out, than on say three track days a year?
You can refresh the suspension and brakes to CS standard or above. You then have to decide if you want to add the anti-roll bars, put in your own bucket seats (CS originals are expensive and rare), delete the electric windows, delete the electric boot release etc.
In reality, I don't think it's worth it. Instead buy a Sport or a CS with refreshed suspension and brakes, as I think it'll cost less and be better and trying to canibalise a Coupe.
There's a CS in the classifieds at present for £8,500 which is v cheap.
www.pistonheads.com/sales/118608.htm
In reality, I don't think it's worth it. Instead buy a Sport or a CS with refreshed suspension and brakes, as I think it'll cost less and be better and trying to canibalise a Coupe.
There's a CS in the classifieds at present for £8,500 which is v cheap.
www.pistonheads.com/sales/118608.htm
Edited by willdew on Wednesday 10th January 09:21
In an attempt to pre-empt BS about the difference between a Coupe & a CS (& even Sports) they're NOT RS's (i.e. seam welded, thinner glass etc etc) they're simply Coupe's with less kit. The base CS had 20mm lower suspension which was also a touch harder - still Boge & Sachs kit.
The CS with the optional M030 'Sport pack' added adjustable Koni's, bigger front brake calipers, LSD, stiffer & adjustable (rear) ARB. M030 optioned cars are rare, even rarer are cars with M030 and no sunroof. Whilst all of this might be nice for kudos or resale value, one of the fastest (if not _the_ fastest) 968's on track I know of is a std Coupe - just extremely well driven. All of the M030 stuff was standard on 250bhp 944turbos which might be an alternative to consider.
The last 968 were built in 1994 - so they're getting on a bit i.e. will certainly have tired suspension so you're potentially looking at spending money whether it's a CS or Coupe if you want it to work as well as it did when new.
For the OP - engine etc are exactly the same so you could make a CS out of a Coupe - depends how far you want to go & how much you want to spend - track use etc I'd do it, but for a concours event it's not worth bothering.
The CS with the optional M030 'Sport pack' added adjustable Koni's, bigger front brake calipers, LSD, stiffer & adjustable (rear) ARB. M030 optioned cars are rare, even rarer are cars with M030 and no sunroof. Whilst all of this might be nice for kudos or resale value, one of the fastest (if not _the_ fastest) 968's on track I know of is a std Coupe - just extremely well driven. All of the M030 stuff was standard on 250bhp 944turbos which might be an alternative to consider.
The last 968 were built in 1994 - so they're getting on a bit i.e. will certainly have tired suspension so you're potentially looking at spending money whether it's a CS or Coupe if you want it to work as well as it did when new.
For the OP - engine etc are exactly the same so you could make a CS out of a Coupe - depends how far you want to go & how much you want to spend - track use etc I'd do it, but for a concours event it's not worth bothering.
art12 said:
In an attempt to pre-empt BS about the difference between a Coupe & a CS (& even Sports) they're NOT RS's (i.e. seam welded, thinner glass etc etc) they're simply Coupe's with less kit. The base CS had 20mm lower suspension which was also a touch harder - still Boge & Sachs kit.
The CS with the optional M030 'Sport pack' added adjustable Koni's, bigger front brake calipers, LSD, stiffer & adjustable (rear) ARB. M030 optioned cars are rare, even rarer are cars with M030 and no sunroof. Whilst all of this might be nice for kudos or resale value, one of the fastest (if not _the_ fastest) 968's on track I know of is a std Coupe - just extremely well driven. All of the M030 stuff was standard on 250bhp 944turbos which might be an alternative to consider.
The last 968 were built in 1994 - so they're getting on a bit i.e. will certainly have tired suspension so you're potentially looking at spending money whether it's a CS or Coupe if you want it to work as well as it did when new.
For the OP - engine etc are exactly the same so you could make a CS out of a Coupe - depends how far you want to go & how much you want to spend - track use etc I'd do it, but for a concours event it's not worth bothering.
The CS with the optional M030 'Sport pack' added adjustable Koni's, bigger front brake calipers, LSD, stiffer & adjustable (rear) ARB. M030 optioned cars are rare, even rarer are cars with M030 and no sunroof. Whilst all of this might be nice for kudos or resale value, one of the fastest (if not _the_ fastest) 968's on track I know of is a std Coupe - just extremely well driven. All of the M030 stuff was standard on 250bhp 944turbos which might be an alternative to consider.
The last 968 were built in 1994 - so they're getting on a bit i.e. will certainly have tired suspension so you're potentially looking at spending money whether it's a CS or Coupe if you want it to work as well as it did when new.
For the OP - engine etc are exactly the same so you could make a CS out of a Coupe - depends how far you want to go & how much you want to spend - track use etc I'd do it, but for a concours event it's not worth bothering.
Art's quite correct, they were mechanically almost identical. The sport/clubsport models did have less sound proofing which is a bit more difficult to remove. Also basic CS (and lots were) weighs around 100kg's less than a typical spec. coupe (air, leather, roof, 17"'s, stereo). According to 'Excellence was Expected', at the time, a broke Porsche understated the weight and performance differences to avoid type-approvingt the CS.
Its quite possible to turn a coupe into a CS-type, but remember you'll always have a modded Coupe, and its value will reflect this. An example is the '73 2.7RS, the lightweight has more value than the touring - when new the latter cost more.
However, if its fun&value you want, then look at a uk market 968 Sport. This is 90% of a CS and much less likely to have been tracked. I know of two and neither have been anywhere near a circuit (a couple of laps of the NS apart).
But remember, there are old cars and bills can mount. I spent around £8.5k on maintenance on mine in 18 months. It was a good straight car in the first place and most of that was just maintenance and wear & tear bits and pieces (although a £1800 bill for a replacement gearbox was also included). A new Cayman will be cheaper for me to run.
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Get the cleanest car, the CS is not hard to replicate, just throw out all the seats etc and replace with lightweight buckets. The value is not that different for similar miles etc. There is a CS for sale now for £8.5 so how much cheaper can a coupe be? Some CS had air, and not many coupes I have seen had air, so it all depends on the spec of the car. I have spent many laps toying with CS's in my coupe and in the real world the difference is not a lot. I chose a coupe for my turbo 968 as I prefer the luxuries such as the seats and soundproofing as it is primarily a road car. Stick a KW kit on any 968 and you will leave all the others behind even M030 cars.
sleep envy said:
davy9449 said:
Hmm, a little pedantic here aren't you? Look, I am merely suggesting a way of creating a CS from a nurtured car, rather than buy a car from a budding Nigel Mansell that's developed a few rattles here and there and has had about 2 front bumpers and a minor rear end (tongue in cheek). And, I didn't know God worked for Porsche!
It could even be a bit of fun for a project, which was the reason for suggesting it!
It could even be a bit of fun for a project, which was the reason for suggesting it!
There are some very good cars out there that have lived half their lives on the track, have original paint and don't rattle. Of those there are a number which can only be described as mint.
Agreed, it would be a fun project but taking into account the value of the car and the amount of money needed to bring it up to CS spec, I personally don't think it's worth it as you could get an original CS for less.
I don't think I'm being pedantic, but each to their own.
PS - you've never heard of Mr Rohl?
Sorry, I may have mis-read your post a bit, but you lost me with the Mr Rohl thing
Some good posts on here, and useful info. The 8.5K maintenance in 18 mths is a bit of a shocker like Shoestring 
! Depends how many miles are done in that time I suppose and what's been done beforehand. Love the maritime blue colour BTW Shoestring, suits the car to a tee.
The thing to do I suppose form what's been said is decide what model to get, and see what's about and keep it pretty much as is. I never thought of getting actual CS bucket seats, just a Recaro alternative. Some of the coupe interior seats look a bit naff in my opinion. I still have a soft spot for the 944, but can't help but think things moved on a fair bit with the 968 so should really opt for that one. Would be getting one to keep for a while hopefully which is why I want to make the right choice.
Cheers all, interesting thoughts
! Depends how many miles are done in that time I suppose and what's been done beforehand. Love the maritime blue colour BTW Shoestring, suits the car to a tee. The thing to do I suppose form what's been said is decide what model to get, and see what's about and keep it pretty much as is. I never thought of getting actual CS bucket seats, just a Recaro alternative. Some of the coupe interior seats look a bit naff in my opinion. I still have a soft spot for the 944, but can't help but think things moved on a fair bit with the 968 so should really opt for that one. Would be getting one to keep for a while hopefully which is why I want to make the right choice.
Cheers all, interesting thoughts
art12 said:
In an attempt to pre-empt BS about the difference between a Coupe & a CS (& even Sports) they're NOT RS's (i.e. seam welded, thinner glass etc etc) they're simply Coupe's with less kit. The base CS had 20mm lower suspension which was also a touch harder - still Boge & Sachs kit.
The CS with the optional M030 'Sport pack' added adjustable Koni's, bigger front brake calipers, LSD, stiffer & adjustable (rear) ARB. M030 optioned cars are rare, even rarer are cars with M030 and no sunroof. Whilst all of this might be nice for kudos or resale value, one of the fastest (if not _the_ fastest) 968's on track I know of is a std Coupe - just extremely well driven. All of the M030 stuff was standard on 250bhp 944turbos which might be an alternative to consider.
The last 968 were built in 1994 - so they're getting on a bit i.e. will certainly have tired suspension so you're potentially looking at spending money whether it's a CS or Coupe if you want it to work as well as it did when new.
For the OP - engine etc are exactly the same so you could make a CS out of a Coupe - depends how far you want to go & how much you want to spend - track use etc I'd do it, but for a concours event it's not worth bothering.
The CS with the optional M030 'Sport pack' added adjustable Koni's, bigger front brake calipers, LSD, stiffer & adjustable (rear) ARB. M030 optioned cars are rare, even rarer are cars with M030 and no sunroof. Whilst all of this might be nice for kudos or resale value, one of the fastest (if not _the_ fastest) 968's on track I know of is a std Coupe - just extremely well driven. All of the M030 stuff was standard on 250bhp 944turbos which might be an alternative to consider.
The last 968 were built in 1994 - so they're getting on a bit i.e. will certainly have tired suspension so you're potentially looking at spending money whether it's a CS or Coupe if you want it to work as well as it did when new.
For the OP - engine etc are exactly the same so you could make a CS out of a Coupe - depends how far you want to go & how much you want to spend - track use etc I'd do it, but for a concours event it's not worth bothering.
Which is why my thinking would be to base a track tool project on either a S2 (much lighter then stock 968, and you will need to add the same Koni/KW suspension anyway) or turbo (much faster then 968 if 250 BHP model, faster still if modded). Bizarelly if I was looking for a 968 I would like a really nice condition tiptronic with aircon to use an every day car. In fact I might sell my 9-5 this spring and do exactly that, there is a really nice looking low mileage tip on the classifieds.
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