The Fastest Man in the UK Ever
Discussion
despite what Top Gear and the general media are leading everyone to believe is not Richard Hammond
we all know its a certain Sammy Miller at 386mph but unfortunately the mass unwashed don't know, Sammy's legend deserves better
maybe emailing top gear to actually let them know?
www.bbc.co.uk/topgear/ and feedback down the left hand side
we all know its a certain Sammy Miller at 386mph but unfortunately the mass unwashed don't know, Sammy's legend deserves better
maybe emailing top gear to actually let them know?
www.bbc.co.uk/topgear/ and feedback down the left hand side
I have posted to this effect on the TG thread in the pie and piston, also listing Kim Reymond and Urs Erbacher as also having gone faster than the Hamster.
Hamster also only gets the award for third fastest crash as well, at 280 mph behing Micke Kagered and Barry Sheavills, both over 290.
I am more worried that this www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?t=349379&f=141&h=0 seems to be happening in the press this week...
Hamster also only gets the award for third fastest crash as well, at 280 mph behing Micke Kagered and Barry Sheavills, both over 290.
I am more worried that this www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?t=349379&f=141&h=0 seems to be happening in the press this week...
I shall likewise fire off an email. Obviously the main thing is that Hammond is ok, and hey, it was still damn quick regardless of all going pear shaped, but it belittles the achievements of those who have run faster to let the error go uncorrected. Very poor for a supposed bunch of petrolheads, I must say. Ok, so some of the faster runs may not be as well known as they weren't backed up, but come on, Erbacher's is the current FIA top fuel record and Miller's is the absolute record for crying out loud. Not as if the data is hard to find.
Posted over in General Gassing, but thought I'd post it here as well...
In terms of "fastest on UK soil", by my reckoning, and without going into the "was it or wasn't it?" debate regarding certain runs, Hammond would sit fifth in the table behind Miller, Hill, Erbacher and Reymond.
Don't know if anyone else (Al Eirdam maybe?) piloted Miller's cars to faster speeds than Hammond?
In terms of pure fastest speeds, Miller must have a significant number of the top slots filled, surely, so where does 314mph sit?
In terms of "fastest on UK soil", by my reckoning, and without going into the "was it or wasn't it?" debate regarding certain runs, Hammond would sit fifth in the table behind Miller, Hill, Erbacher and Reymond.
Don't know if anyone else (Al Eirdam maybe?) piloted Miller's cars to faster speeds than Hammond?
In terms of pure fastest speeds, Miller must have a significant number of the top slots filled, surely, so where does 314mph sit?
MotorPsycho said:
despite what Top Gear and the general media are leading everyone to believe is not Richard Hammond
we all know its a certain Sammy Miller at 386mph but unfortunately the mass unwashed don't know, Sammy's legend deserves better
maybe emailing top gear to actually let them know?
www.bbc.co.uk/topgear/ and feedback down the left hand side
we all know its a certain Sammy Miller at 386mph but unfortunately the mass unwashed don't know, Sammy's legend deserves better
maybe emailing top gear to actually let them know?
www.bbc.co.uk/topgear/ and feedback down the left hand side
Hi Adam
l clicked on www.bbc.co.uk/topgear/ and then on Contact Us, but nothing happened, what am l doing wrong? l definitely want to email them as Sammy deserves his recognition, not only as being the fastest person in the UK but l believe he broke Kitty O'Neill's record to become the fastest person in the world over the quarter mile.
I hate to disagree with you Jon (well sort of), but Hammond's crash may well have been the fastest. The key thing is measured speed and, based on Vampire having telemetry fitted, TG probably do have a claim to the fastest crash on British soil, although who would actually want to make such a claim is beyond me.
Barry's crash at the 2002 Finals was measued at the traps at 272.46, Micke's (at the same event) was at 282.58. That said both crashes happened, or started to happen, before the finish line; so, based on estimates I can make by comparing their incremental data, neither would have been much more than about 300mph had they remained under power for the full 1/4. I actually suspect that both runs would have been slightly under 300, probably around the 295 mark.
As for the claim that Hammond's 314 was the fastest on British soil, TG are just doing their usual and ignoring God's chosen motorsport, much in the same way that Rockingham did when they ran a series of tv ads a while back claiming to be "the fastest motorsport on earth" or something along those lines. Makes my blood boil.
Martin Hill, 336.10; Urs Erbacher, 318.95; Kim Reymond, 317.56. Then of course Sammy with a whole host of runs well over 314 including the 386.26. Case closed.
I fired an email off to TG yesterday (top.gear@bbc.co.uk) and got an automated response saying "We don't have the resources to answer all emails personally, but we do read them and pass them to the relevant people", yeah right.
Barry's crash at the 2002 Finals was measued at the traps at 272.46, Micke's (at the same event) was at 282.58. That said both crashes happened, or started to happen, before the finish line; so, based on estimates I can make by comparing their incremental data, neither would have been much more than about 300mph had they remained under power for the full 1/4. I actually suspect that both runs would have been slightly under 300, probably around the 295 mark.
As for the claim that Hammond's 314 was the fastest on British soil, TG are just doing their usual and ignoring God's chosen motorsport, much in the same way that Rockingham did when they ran a series of tv ads a while back claiming to be "the fastest motorsport on earth" or something along those lines. Makes my blood boil.
Martin Hill, 336.10; Urs Erbacher, 318.95; Kim Reymond, 317.56. Then of course Sammy with a whole host of runs well over 314 including the 386.26. Case closed.
I fired an email off to TG yesterday (top.gear@bbc.co.uk) and got an automated response saying "We don't have the resources to answer all emails personally, but we do read them and pass them to the relevant people", yeah right.
Andy Marrs said:
I hate to disagree with you Jon (well sort of), but Hammond's crash may well have been the fastest. The key thing is measured speed and, based on Vampire having telemetry fitted, TG probably do have a claim to the fastest crash on British soil, although who would actually want to make such a claim is beyond me.
Barry's crash at the 2002 Finals was measued at the traps at 272.46, Micke's (at the same event) was at 282.58. That said both crashes happened, or started to happen, before the finish line; so, based on estimates I can make by comparing their incremental data, neither would have been much more than about 300mph had they remained under power for the full 1/4. I actually suspect that both runs would have been slightly under 300, probably around the 295 mark.
As for the claim that Hammond's 314 was the fastest on British soil, TG are just doing their usual and ignoring God's chosen motorsport, much in the same way that Rockingham did when they ran a series of tv ads a while back claiming to be "the fastest motorsport on earth" or something along those lines. Makes my blood boil.
Martin Hill, 336.10; Urs Erbacher, 318.95; Kim Reymond, 317.56. Then of course Sammy with a whole host of runs well over 314 including the 386.26. Case closed.
I fired an email off to TG yesterday (top.gear@bbc.co.uk) and got an automated response saying "We don't have the resources to answer all emails personally, but we do read them and pass them to the relevant people", yeah right.
Barry's crash at the 2002 Finals was measued at the traps at 272.46, Micke's (at the same event) was at 282.58. That said both crashes happened, or started to happen, before the finish line; so, based on estimates I can make by comparing their incremental data, neither would have been much more than about 300mph had they remained under power for the full 1/4. I actually suspect that both runs would have been slightly under 300, probably around the 295 mark.
As for the claim that Hammond's 314 was the fastest on British soil, TG are just doing their usual and ignoring God's chosen motorsport, much in the same way that Rockingham did when they ran a series of tv ads a while back claiming to be "the fastest motorsport on earth" or something along those lines. Makes my blood boil.
Martin Hill, 336.10; Urs Erbacher, 318.95; Kim Reymond, 317.56. Then of course Sammy with a whole host of runs well over 314 including the 386.26. Case closed.
I fired an email off to TG yesterday (top.gear@bbc.co.uk) and got an automated response saying "We don't have the resources to answer all emails personally, but we do read them and pass them to the relevant people", yeah right.
As you say, its not really the sort of record one would want to compete for, is it?
The great thing about any 'fastest car speed in the UK' conversations is that they can easily be closed with the line 'Ah yes, but I will see your Bugatti Veyron / Lambourghini / Hammond / Rockingham (delete or add as required), and I will Raise you a Vanishing Point'
If Top Gear wish to talk only about average speeds over a longer measured distance as used in record attempts they only need to look back to Elvington in 1972 where Arnold Sundquist was clocked at 359 mph in a verified record attempt over a flying half kilometer despite going through the finish beams backwards. On getting the car facing forwards Silver Streak 2 decided to try to take off and Sundquist managed to keep it on the ground and facing the right way with the chutes but it still exploded a fuel tank and did significant damage, coming to rest about a mile after the finish beam. Sundquist couldn't make the call for the return run and thus no record. His peak top speed on this run is thought to have been well over 400mph so he would probably get the honours for fastest crash too. The car is now housed in the Motala motor museum not far from Mantorp.
CP
And a PS
[quote=Andy Marrs]
Barry's crash at the 2002 Finals was measued at the traps at 272.46, Micke's (at the same event) was at 282.58. That said both crashes happened, or started to happen, before the finish line; so, based on estimates I can make by comparing their incremental data, neither would have been much more than about 300mph had they remained under power for the full 1/4. I actually suspect that both runs would have been slightly under 300, probably around the 295 mark.
[quote]
Thats a funny one Andy as I have Barry's crashing trap speed at 277.46 mph, maybe a typo on my part, but it also agrees with your timing data on ED...not that I really care, getting him back over 300 is of far more importance. I don't think its the sort of record he wants for one minute!
CP
And a PS
[quote=Andy Marrs]
Barry's crash at the 2002 Finals was measued at the traps at 272.46, Micke's (at the same event) was at 282.58. That said both crashes happened, or started to happen, before the finish line; so, based on estimates I can make by comparing their incremental data, neither would have been much more than about 300mph had they remained under power for the full 1/4. I actually suspect that both runs would have been slightly under 300, probably around the 295 mark.
[quote]
Thats a funny one Andy as I have Barry's crashing trap speed at 277.46 mph, maybe a typo on my part, but it also agrees with your timing data on ED...not that I really care, getting him back over 300 is of far more importance. I don't think its the sort of record he wants for one minute!
Edited by themighty on Tuesday 30th January 17:24
Edited by themighty on Tuesday 30th January 17:25
nitromaniac said:
MotorPsycho said:
despite what Top Gear and the general media are leading everyone to believe is not Richard Hammond
we all know its a certain Sammy Miller at 386mph but unfortunately the mass unwashed don't know, Sammy's legend deserves better
maybe emailing top gear to actually let them know?
www.bbc.co.uk/topgear/ and feedback down the left hand side
we all know its a certain Sammy Miller at 386mph but unfortunately the mass unwashed don't know, Sammy's legend deserves better
maybe emailing top gear to actually let them know?
www.bbc.co.uk/topgear/ and feedback down the left hand side
Hi Adam
l clicked on www.bbc.co.uk/topgear/ and then on Contact Us, but nothing happened, what am l doing wrong? l definitely want to email them as Sammy deserves his recognition, not only as being the fastest person in the UK but l believe he broke Kitty O'Neill's record to become the fastest person in the world over the quarter mile.
seems to be working ok for me?
Kitty apparently went quicker than Sammy but it was on a salt flat, with un-calibrated timing equipment and no official recognition - it has always been widely regarded as dubious
Hi Andy Marrs !
Great to see you here, and thanks for your -and your team´s- work @ the bridge.
I always look at the "anorak facts" after the big events posted on ED,
and YES, I do wear one when it´s cold and windy,even with the hood up,
already have (over)heard : "who killed Benni"....
Cheers,
Benni
Great to see you here, and thanks for your -and your team´s- work @ the bridge.
I always look at the "anorak facts" after the big events posted on ED,
and YES, I do wear one when it´s cold and windy,even with the hood up,
already have (over)heard : "who killed Benni"....
Cheers,
Benni
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