[Peloton25]

greygoose said:

El Guapo said:

Peloton25 said:

Three-Owner F1
Just over 1,617 KM (1,004 Miles) from New

Breaks your heart

It does seem a waste.

First owner is really to blame - he kept the car from new until about 2010 or 2011 racking up nearly all of the car's mileage in that time period. The second and third owners are both collectors who each own at least one additional F1 that does get driven, so this one would have been bought for its investment value.

>8^)
ER

[fatboy69]

tommobot said:

thegreenhell said:

I have one too. I think it came from Halfords, filled with wrapped mint sweets. There was also a racing Porsche 911 of some description.

Slightly off topic but... ;

Oddly (sadly as swmbo says) I have all of the tins as well.

Mine are (literally) mint & wrapped as the plastic wrappers have never been broken so all of mine still have the sweets inside!!!!

Sad really but hey oh. I keep telling her that they will be collectors items in years to come. For some reason she doesn't believe me!!

[thegreenhell]

Peloton25 said:

This just in: Gooding and Company will auction the (nearly) original McLaren F1 chassis 031 at their upcoming Monterey auction in mid-August. Estimate is eye-watering, but likely warranted for such a unique and barely used example.



Highly Original, Three-Owner F1
Originally Finished in Striking Marlboro White - the Sole Such Example
Complete with Manual, Tools, and Fitted Luggage
Just over 1,617 KM (1,004 Miles) from New
2008 Extensive Service by McLaren

Estimate: $12,000,000 - $14,000,000

>8^)
ER

Edited by Peloton25 on Wednesday 23 July 17:54

It's interesting that they also have the 1966 Ferrari 365 P Berlinetta Speciale "Tre Posti" at the same sale, which had McLaren's signature seating arrangement more than 25 years before the F1...

[Peloton25]

thegreenhell said:

It's interesting that they also have the 1966 Ferrari 365 P Berlinetta Speciale "Tre Posti" at the same sale, which had McLaren's signature seating arrangement more than 25 years before the F1...

Yes, saw that too. Actually slightly more excited to see the 365 P than I am the F1. #shocking

>8^)
ER

[AreOut]

Peloton25 said:

Estimate: $12,000,000 - $14,000,000

>8^)
ER

Edited by Peloton25 on Wednesday 23 July 17:54

well if a billionaire buys it one or fourteen millions doesn't make a difference if he really wants it

[E65Ross]

1000 miles. What a waste, what a shame.

I've never, ever seen a McLaren F1 on the road, just seen Andys at a supercar show a few years back. I'd love to see an original one on the road or up close.

[PAUL500]

Why is it such a shame? if you wanted a new one back then and could not afford it, but have just sold your dot.com business for a squillion dollars then you can still have the virtually new car of your dreams after all and rack up the miles as if its still the 90s

[thegreenhell]

More details and photos of the Gooding auction car here:

http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/m...

[hurstg01]

Does anyone have the 'Fruit Creams' Poppets Mclaren F1 they'd like to donate / me to buy off them to add to my collection?

Looks like this



And here, for reference is the other Poppets tin

4

and the others I have

[flemke]

chriskay said:

Well, after a couple of months reading this thread I've finally reached this point. I started reading, not so much because of my interest in the F1 (although that has increased markedly during the time I've spent here), rather that I had a personal interest: back in September 2005 my son and I met Flemke at the 'Ring where he gave each of us a passenger lap in his GT3.
Accuse me if you choose, of brown-nosing, but I still remember that meeting with a very courteous, talented but low-key gentleman. I met him again a couple of years later, once more at the 'Ring, during practice for a VLN race when I had a passenger lap (not with him) in a 996 Cup car which I believe was his.
I didn't know it at the time, but he and my father shared an occupation; they had both been cabinet makers, although later my father changed direction and became a shipwright with Cammell Laird's. Flemke's change of career was obviously more lucrative!
WRT Flemke's struggle to find the colour he wanted, I have to say that I very much liked the first blue iteration and was surprised to find that I liked the second even more. When it comes to the “squiggle” a bit of whimsy is surely permitted; maybe a kiwi in the same thin line would have been even better?

Postscript: Flemke, if you ever tire of your present location, we have some of the finest driving roads round here: Shropshire, Herefordshire and Mid Wales. You could buy a comfortable property in this area with space to store all your cars, for considerably less than the cost of your P1.

Edited by chriskay on Sunday 20th July 17:06

Nice to hear from you, Mr Kay. Sorry that its been so long since we have seen each other.

I appreciate what you are saying about your local driving environment. My problem is that circumstances dictate that I stay where I am.

Cheers.

[vincegail]

hurstg01 said:

Did that Black/Gold Gulf liveried car actually race during the day? Or is it just a mock-up done by the sweets company?

Black and Gold just happens to be my favourite colour combination, and the McLaren F1 my favourite car, never knew they combined!

Edited by vincegail on Thursday 24th July 23:38

[vincegail]

Peloton25 said:

greygoose said:

El Guapo said:

Peloton25 said:

Three-Owner F1
Just over 1,617 KM (1,004 Miles) from New

Breaks your heart

It does seem a waste.

First owner is really to blame - he kept the car from new until about 2010 or 2011 racking up nearly all of the car's mileage in that time period. The second and third owners are both collectors who each own at least one additional F1 that does get driven, so this one would have been bought for its investment value.

>8^)
ER

It still is like saving your girlfriend/wive for her next boyfriend/husband.....

[flemke]

Peloton25 said:

Joe911 said:

I respect the opinion of those of you have been on these trips - but the photos and video I've seen seem to back up the argument that these trips are for posers - not that an occasional pose is entirely unacceptable - and not for drivers. I mean how much time is wasted each day lining up all the cars for carefully choreographed pictures and video?

Those cars were lined up on day one by the team from McLaren when only the cars were there.

On the previous Tour that I attended there was never a single moment of time dedicated to posing for the cameras. The cars intended to be used the next day were always parked in the driveway in front of the hotel, again by the team from McLaren after they'd had a bath, which created opportunities for photos like this one.



...or this one:



Or here at the lunch stop on Day 2 - again, this is just the driveway along the front of the Villa where the cars were parked while everyone ate.



Given that very little consideration is afforded to the photographers who have tagged along makes it all the more impressive that my friend Vincent was able to capture images like these:







>8^)
ER

I probably won't make any friends by saying this, but, as expected, these images suggest a celebration of wealth, elitism and preciousness.

I readily participated in the F1 gathering at MTC in 2010 because that was not about the owners, it was about the cars and the organisation that had created them. The owners were treated nicely, but we were incidental to the event.

In contrast, this event in Italy appears to have been about conspicuous consumption at the highest level. Okay, the cars themselves are out of the reach of most folks, but I don't see why the other elements, such as accommodation and food, similarly had to be beyond the reach of all but the rich.

[Peloton25]

vincegail said:

Did that Black/Gold Gulf liveried car actually race during the day? Or is it just a mock-up done by the sweets company?

That's the original 1995 Gulf GTR livery - Dark Blue with a Titanium Grey stripe and Orange keyline. Here's one of those tins in better lighting:



Here's the real deal:



>8^)
ER

[HereBeMonsters]

flemke said:

I probably won't make any friends by saying this, but, as expected, these images suggest a celebration of wealth, elitism and preciousness.

I readily participated in the F1 gathering at MTC in 2010 because that was not about the owners, it was about the cars and the organisation that had created them. The owners were treated nicely, but we were incidental to the event.

In contrast, this event in Italy appears to have been about conspicuous consumption at the highest level. Okay, the cars themselves are out of the reach of most folks, but I don't see why the other elements, such as accommodation and food, similarly had to be beyond the reach of all but the rich.

I'm sure they could have arranged a Travelodge equivalent for you if that's what you were after?

[vincegail]

Nothing wrong with Travelodge! Will book my stay in London through them very soon!

But I do get Flemke's point. The McLaren Tour does look like a willy waving parade. Shame. It shouldn't, bcause the cars are awesome, but it still does.

[vincegail]

Peloton25 said:

That's the original 1995 Gulf GTR livery - Dark Blue with a Titanium Grey stripe and Orange keyline. Here's one of those tins in better lighting:



Here's the real deal:



>8^)
ER

Damn bad lighting! That 24 car is actually one of my favourite F1 liveries! Very strange I mistook it for a black and gold one!

[flemke]

HereBeMonsters said:

flemke said:

I probably won't make any friends by saying this, but, as expected, these images suggest a celebration of wealth, elitism and preciousness.

I readily participated in the F1 gathering at MTC in 2010 because that was not about the owners, it was about the cars and the organisation that had created them. The owners were treated nicely, but we were incidental to the event.

In contrast, this event in Italy appears to have been about conspicuous consumption at the highest level. Okay, the cars themselves are out of the reach of most folks, but I don't see why the other elements, such as accommodation and food, similarly had to be beyond the reach of all but the rich.

I'm sure they could have arranged a Travelodge equivalent for you if that's what you were after?

If everyone else would have been happy to do the same, then so would I have been. If people would have been unwilling to do that, and I strongly suspect most and perhaps all would have been unwilling, it suggests that they are the sort of people with whom I would prefer not to spend much time. I'm not saying that they're bad, but they're not my sort.

[Peloton25]

I guess I don't equate staying in a nice place and enjoying some of the finer things when you are on vacation as willy waving.

If someone wasn't interested in the amenities offered at the Villa that was base camp for the 1st Tour they could have stayed up the hill with me and the staff from McLaren in the B&B for €80 per night. It was still a pretty nice place to be though.



>8^)
ER

[SHutchinson]

Peloton25 said:

I guess I don't equate staying in a nice place and enjoying some of the finer things when you are on vacation as willy waving.

If someone wasn't interested in the amenities offered at the Villa that was base camp for the 1st Tour they could have stayed up the hill with me and the staff from McLaren in the B&B for €80 per night. It was still a pretty nice place to be though.



>8^)
ER

I guess that's the point, were it not an obvious display of wealth akin to 'willy waving' everyone could have stayed in the €80 a night 'servants' accommodation.

At first I thought flemke was perhaps being obtuse but I've started to agree with him. I'd much rather share a beer of an evening with someone who could discuss the interesting aspects of my reason for being there rather than be down the hill with those that need to be protected from such horrors as €80 accommodation.