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Hi all,
Was speaking to a mate the other day and he told me TVR drivers have the highest amputation rate of all drivers in head-on collisions. Might be a load of ol' b
ks and it doesn't put me off but it did make me think. Are there any enhanced safety mechanisms on the more recent models eg airbags etc? How strong is the chassis in general terms? I know car mag is a bit anti-TVR at present but it was also slating TVR's 'woeful safety record' and calling for much needed improvements. Obviously it's no volvo and no-one wants to crash but... It's pretty much my main and only concern as someone looking to get their first TVR.
cheers dadrock
Was speaking to a mate the other day and he told me TVR drivers have the highest amputation rate of all drivers in head-on collisions. Might be a load of ol' b
ks and it doesn't put me off but it did make me think. Are there any enhanced safety mechanisms on the more recent models eg airbags etc? How strong is the chassis in general terms? I know car mag is a bit anti-TVR at present but it was also slating TVR's 'woeful safety record' and calling for much needed improvements. Obviously it's no volvo and no-one wants to crash but... It's pretty much my main and only concern as someone looking to get their first TVR. cheers dadrock
Where are such statistics available? I would take this with an extremely large pinch of salt indeed.
Edited to add: Look at this thread www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?t=39335&f=6&h=0
>> Edited by kevinday on Friday 16th May 07:16
Edited to add: Look at this thread www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?t=39335&f=6&h=0
>> Edited by kevinday on Friday 16th May 07:16
It is known that the Griff/Chimaera have almost no roll over protection as standard - roll hoops etc. can be retro fitted. The Cerbera has a full built in cage as does the T350C. The Tuscan though having a removable roof pannel has dirty great thick steel members in the windscreen up-rights, as does I believe the Tamora, both have side impact protection. I also have a friend who rolled their Chimaera on the motorway and ended up on the embankment both he and his son survived, heads intact !!
Griff and Chim, longitudinally exceptionally strong, at the side however, not so strong and on its roof downright dangerous...
I would suggest however that the amputation statistics are utter bollocks. How would they get that data? 'Ah Mr Smith, I have you down for a leg amputation, before we commence, can I just ask, was it a road accident? If so, what car were you driving?'
I would suggest however that the amputation statistics are utter bollocks. How would they get that data? 'Ah Mr Smith, I have you down for a leg amputation, before we commence, can I just ask, was it a road accident? If so, what car were you driving?'
corin denton said: Did your friend have a cage fitted or was he just extremely lucky?
extremely lucky and a quick thinker - he pushed his son down in his seat then ducked himself. The car was clipped/ or he clipped another car (legal issue to resolve) spinning the car into the armco then rebounding across the carriage way into the enbankment. There it's wheeld dug in and it overturned a couple of times. As plotloss said ' longitudinally exceptionally strong' ...
There's a lot of talk of roll bars at the moment but not many cars in the classifieds seem to advertise them as a plus such as say full leven cockpit etc. Do they paradoxically bring down the value of the car ie. aesthetic damage, or are they a good selling point as i would have imagined.
cheers,
cheers,
I would be more worried by the 4x4s that seem to think that they are in the safest car in the world. In the US they have the highest death rate.
Fifth Gear demonstrated how easy it was to get a Range Rover to roll at 45 mph simply by swerving to avoid a car that had braked (insufficient stopping distance). RR rolled several times. IT had a full roll cage and a stunt driver but it was a mess.
As for accidents... TVRs do have a high single vehicle accident rate but blame us drivers not the car.
Steve
www.tvrbooks.co.uk
Fifth Gear demonstrated how easy it was to get a Range Rover to roll at 45 mph simply by swerving to avoid a car that had braked (insufficient stopping distance). RR rolled several times. IT had a full roll cage and a stunt driver but it was a mess.
As for accidents... TVRs do have a high single vehicle accident rate but blame us drivers not the car.
Steve
www.tvrbooks.co.uk
dadrock said: There's a lot of talk of roll bars at the moment but not many cars in the classifieds seem to advertise them as a plus such as say full leven cockpit etc. Do they paradoxically bring down the value of the car ie. aesthetic damage, or are they a good selling point as i would have imagined.
cheers,
It is a personal decision. Some people want to spend their money on looking good... others like to increase their chances of surviving an accident...
Remember, if you put a roll cage in a car you must inform your insurance - so they can put up the premium.
After the 5th Gear 4x4 roll over, my wife refused to drive the Jeep till I mentioned her other option is the Bus. Stopping distances of that test aside, instead of swerving to avoid the BMW, you should just smack it up the arse. As the previous footage of crash tests with other cars proves, the 4x4 clearly comes out the safest, as long as it dosn't end up on its roof.
After the 5th Gear 4x4 roll over, my wife refused to drive the Jeep till I mentioned her other option is the Bus. Stopping distances of that test aside, instead of swerving to avoid the BMW, you should just smack it up the arse. As the previous footage of crash tests with other cars proves, the 4x4 clearly comes out the safest, as long as it dosn't end up on its roof.
Byff said: you should just smack it up the arse. As the previous footage of crash tests with other cars proves, the 4x4 clearly comes out the safest, as long as it dosn't end up on its roof.
Yes as a car driver not a tank driver i'm 25 times more likely to suffer serious injury than you in your panza wagon. Before it happens to be I'd just like to say thanks for killing me with that 4x4 of your that you feel so safe in.
Drive straight at it, have you seen the impact of two identical cars at 60mph? the 5 series BMW and Volvo were a mess, both cars would likely have had their occupants killed, factor in a car being hit but a 4x4 think that the result would be death to the car occupants life to 4x4 driver - pref behind bars if they chose to hit another car !!!!!!!
B0110cks! Just get on and enjoy whatever you have got because when your time is up.....its up! You could spend all your life wandering around not buying this or that car, spending money on roll bars and air bags. Factor 30 sun screen, give up smoking and have bran for breakfast, before you know it you will be 65 and wondering why you had no fun when you were younger.........and then you will drop dead from some crappy illness that you never heard of. Christ I sound like Carzee!
I remember reading an article a while back (could have been in the Sunday Times 'Driving' supplement) that the reason so many 4x4's have such bad accident statistics is that while in the event of a crash their strength can help the occupants, they are much more likely to crash because their manoeuvrability is so much worse than a normal car, as are their stopping distances and for that matter their ability to accelerate out of trouble. Add to that their extra weight giving them alot more energy when they hit something; fine for them if the something else will give, but if its something big and strong like a truck or concrete wall, they simply have more energy to damage themselves. 
Of course, the opposite in every case goes for TVR's!
Of course, the opposite in every case goes for TVR's!
If you can trust yourself to drive within your limits and not be a total speed freak on the roads, then the principal danger you face is someone driving into you/being run over by a bus/contracting SARS etc.
These cars will happily oblige if you have a death wish but driven sensibly they are no more dangerous than most. What they lack in some safety areas they gain in others (safe overtaking/braking etc.) Ask yourself that question and if the answers yes then just do it and enjoy it - there’s nothing like it.
(Then get a roll bar and take it on the track!
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These cars will happily oblige if you have a death wish but driven sensibly they are no more dangerous than most. What they lack in some safety areas they gain in others (safe overtaking/braking etc.) Ask yourself that question and if the answers yes then just do it and enjoy it - there’s nothing like it.
(Then get a roll bar and take it on the track!
)
.Yup. That must have done wonders for the secondhand value of Rangies!
shpub said:Fifth Gear demonstrated how easy it was to get a Range Rover to roll at 45 mph simply by swerving to avoid a car that had braked (insufficient stopping distance). RR rolled several times. IT had a full roll cage and a stunt driver but it was a mess.
Well, as long as somebody else suffers/dies as a result of your decision to buy a mobie battering ram that's fine then, as long as you're safe and sound! And remember, there's a good chance that the back seat occupants you're going to be ploughing into are children!
Byff said:Stopping distances of that test aside, instead of swerving to avoid the BMW, you should just smack it up the arse. As the previous footage of crash tests with other cars proves, the 4x4 clearly comes out the safest, as long as it dosn't end up on its roof.
d_drinks said:
Byff said: you should just smack it up the arse. As the previous footage of crash tests with other cars proves, the 4x4 clearly comes out the safest, as long as it dosn't end up on its roof.
Yes as a car driver not a tank driver i'm 25 times more likely to suffer serious injury than you in your panza wagon. Before it happens to be I'd just like to say thanks for killing me with that 4x4 of your that you feel so safe in.
Drive straight at it, have you seen the impact of two identical cars at 60mph? the 5 series BMW and Volvo were a mess, both cars would likely have had their occupants killed, factor in a car being hit but a 4x4 think that the result would be death to the car occupants life to 4x4 driver - pref behind bars if they chose to hit another car !!!!!!!
Sorry if it upsets you - but...
If faced with the coice of either hurting myself or hurting you, I'll hurt you everytime.
Oh yes, get folks back up now for sure.
RichardR said:
And remember, there's a good chance that the back seat occupants you're going to be ploughing into are children!
Fine, as long as you slow down to less than 70 mph before you hit them. Must be true because speed is the only thing the (lying scheming manipulative thieving gits etc) gov't are tackling to reduce the 'carnage' on our roads. Bitter, me? Surely not!
Byff said: [
Sorry if it upsets you - but...
If faced with the coice of either hurting myself or hurting you, I'll hurt you everytime.
Oh yes, get folks back up now for sure.
Gee thanks I feel so much better
Nice to know that you give a toss about anyone else, me i might buy a gun cos if it's you or me then it's you for sure - same mentality just taken on to the next step, stupid isn't it !! If people take your attitude then it's on wonder the world is full o self centered tossers 
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