BBC Slams youtube video - your opinion?
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Spotted This on the BBC Scotland website.
Quite damning article and it paints a picture of a maniac driving dangerously on the road.
So I watched the video for myself.
Crosses the centre lines, yes.
Goes quickly at times, yes.
Dangerous, don't think so. General positioning seemed good, slowed for hazards and no sudden manouvers. Slowed well in advance of slower car at the end.
Anyone else see this differently?
Quite damning article and it paints a picture of a maniac driving dangerously on the road.
So I watched the video for myself.
Crosses the centre lines, yes.
Goes quickly at times, yes.
Dangerous, don't think so. General positioning seemed good, slowed for hazards and no sudden manouvers. Slowed well in advance of slower car at the end.
Anyone else see this differently?
Whether it's dangerous driving or not (and I'd tend to agree that it didn't look particularly dangerous), I don't think I want anyone stupid enough to post a video of them speeding (assuming they were speeding, admittedly I can't tell) on the internet to be on the same roads as me.
Edited by kambites on Wednesday 6th June 09:42
KB_S1 said:
Spotted This on the BBC Scotland website.
Quite damning article and it paints a picture of a maniac driving dangerously on the road.
So I watched the video for myself.
Crosses the centre lines, yes.
Goes quickly at times, yes.
Dangerous, don't think so. General positioning seemed good, slowed for hazards and no sudden manouvers. Slowed well in advance of slower car at the end.
Anyone else see this differently?
I didn't watch all of the video - in the bits I did watch I didn't see the driver cross any double white lines, positioning looked good and he took the same lines I would have taken (in accordance with my RideDrive training). He also left a good sized gap having slowed for the car at the end (No driving up it's chuff looking for the overtake)Quite damning article and it paints a picture of a maniac driving dangerously on the road.
So I watched the video for myself.
Crosses the centre lines, yes.
Goes quickly at times, yes.
Dangerous, don't think so. General positioning seemed good, slowed for hazards and no sudden manouvers. Slowed well in advance of slower car at the end.
Anyone else see this differently?
Don't see what's wrong with it (but I didn't watch the full film)
pmanson said:
KB_S1 said:
Spotted This on the BBC Scotland website.
Quite damning article and it paints a picture of a maniac driving dangerously on the road.
So I watched the video for myself.
Crosses the centre lines, yes.
Goes quickly at times, yes.
Dangerous, don't think so. General positioning seemed good, slowed for hazards and no sudden manouvers. Slowed well in advance of slower car at the end.
Anyone else see this differently?
I didn't watch all of the video - in the bits I did watch I didn't see the driver cross any double white lines, positioning looked good and he took the same lines I would have taken (in accordance with my RideDrive training). He also left a good sized gap having slowed for the car at the end (No driving up it's chuff looking for the overtake)Quite damning article and it paints a picture of a maniac driving dangerously on the road.
So I watched the video for myself.
Crosses the centre lines, yes.
Goes quickly at times, yes.
Dangerous, don't think so. General positioning seemed good, slowed for hazards and no sudden manouvers. Slowed well in advance of slower car at the end.
Anyone else see this differently?
Don't see what's wrong with it (but I didn't watch the full film)
Yes, bit of a prat to stick it on You-tube perhaps, but all in all nowt wrong with it (bar the speeding, if a copper was arsed to do a time and distance on it). I would hazard that traffic police would actually quietly sit and concur at the roadcraft.
Typical BBC hand wringing.
Yep, putting that up is just dumb anyway. Why draw attention to yourself for ANY reason? Any attention is bad attention as they say.
As per bad driving.
29s, clearly marked poorly sighted junction is passed at fairly high speed (I'd slow down more than they did there) but that's just me
48s, after passing a nice clear left hander, they pass into a sharper one at speed, and right there on the left is a gateway. Not sure on visbility into the field in the previous bend, but anything could be tucked up on the left there (I'd want to be slower)
1:13, again something narrow like a push biker could have been tucked in behind the hedge on the offside opposing lane. Since the car is fully over the opposing lane at the point it just becomes clear I'd say that was dangerous. They could easily not use the full opposing lane at that speed too.
2:22, as above, but less serious. Just don't get why they feel they have to use ALL the road if it is compromising the safety of not having full view of the opposing lane. They could have kept in their lane through there at that speed.
3:08, can't see the limit point at all generally through the video, but I'm not sure I could stop in what I could see to be clear down there. Must be going ~ 90mph down a long right hander.
No saint myself by any means, but I wonder if on a few sections along there, had a hazard presented itself, would the resulting hazard cause a serious issue for the driver.
I think it would have done myself.
Not sure I'd slam the video though. I could take a video of most Sunday drivers and show just as much stupid bad driving as anyone would want to ban driving full stop.
I'm sure people drive alot like this all the time. This isn't just one isolated nutter.
What I don't get is when even a pro like PC Milton is given grief for 150mph on an empty motorway, people think showing their MR2 hoonage down narrow lanes before having peers review it for putting over the appropriate 'message', is a good idea. Doh!
Dave
As per bad driving.
29s, clearly marked poorly sighted junction is passed at fairly high speed (I'd slow down more than they did there) but that's just me
48s, after passing a nice clear left hander, they pass into a sharper one at speed, and right there on the left is a gateway. Not sure on visbility into the field in the previous bend, but anything could be tucked up on the left there (I'd want to be slower)
1:13, again something narrow like a push biker could have been tucked in behind the hedge on the offside opposing lane. Since the car is fully over the opposing lane at the point it just becomes clear I'd say that was dangerous. They could easily not use the full opposing lane at that speed too.
2:22, as above, but less serious. Just don't get why they feel they have to use ALL the road if it is compromising the safety of not having full view of the opposing lane. They could have kept in their lane through there at that speed.
3:08, can't see the limit point at all generally through the video, but I'm not sure I could stop in what I could see to be clear down there. Must be going ~ 90mph down a long right hander.
No saint myself by any means, but I wonder if on a few sections along there, had a hazard presented itself, would the resulting hazard cause a serious issue for the driver.
I think it would have done myself.
Not sure I'd slam the video though. I could take a video of most Sunday drivers and show just as much stupid bad driving as anyone would want to ban driving full stop.
I'm sure people drive alot like this all the time. This isn't just one isolated nutter.
What I don't get is when even a pro like PC Milton is given grief for 150mph on an empty motorway, people think showing their MR2 hoonage down narrow lanes before having peers review it for putting over the appropriate 'message', is a good idea. Doh!
Dave
Edited by Mr Whippy on Wednesday 6th June 10:03
I think most of the video was entirely reasonable. Some of the lines in corners were not ideal, but using the opposite side of the road for view is a confirmed part of the police advanced course so I see no major issue with it.
I cannot see that the speed would be hugely excessive, and as for prosecuting someone for DD, let alone DWCA on the evidence this video presents? No chance.
Another non-story.
I cannot see that the speed would be hugely excessive, and as for prosecuting someone for DD, let alone DWCA on the evidence this video presents? No chance.
Another non-story.
carrotchomper said:
Another non-story.
Agreed. People do post videos of the most appalling driving on YouTube. That really wasn't that bad or that fast. I've seen stuff that makes you flinch and, I'm sorry, whoever wrote that story hasn't had any further driver training after their L test.
I reckon if I posted up a video of one of my fast drives in the country (no speed limits broken) with full commentary they'd probably slate it as irresponsible lunatic driving.
Well I'm going for my Rospa RoADA re-test today. We'll see if the examiner decides to fail me...
threesixty said:
I read the bbc report first and was expecting something completely different, are you sure thats the right video?
Its strange that they should pic up on that video given the other material available on youtube.
Yes. I'm sure there are far worse examples than that.Its strange that they should pic up on that video given the other material available on youtube.
BBC is really shit.....
threesixty said:
I read the bbc report first and was expecting something completely different, are you sure thats the right video?
Its strange that they should pic up on that video given the other material available on youtube.
That is what I thought. The driving could be improved but it is certainly not anything like the bbc article makes out.Its strange that they should pic up on that video given the other material available on youtube.
Seems like another story for the sake of it.
Cant watch the video at work but by the comments made on here it appears to be a rendition of how many of us would drive on our favourite road.
Generally speaking, if we know a road well enough, then we will be aware of all its hidden possible dangers and drive accordingly. Indeed there is a road I know well somewhere out of Inverness where speeds of 1.4leptons are achievable in safe conditions, owing to the width of the road, the visibility on offer and of course the length of the straights. However, just a few miles down that particular road, there are places where even 0.6leptons are inappropriate. Therefore effective road driving is all about judgement and cannot be deemed either safe or unsafe depending on whether one sticks below or above the stated limit.
Naturally however, we are all planet wrecking psychopaths to whom baby killing is second nature blah blah blah and we'll all go to hell
Still I agree it's best not to advertise this for all and sundry to see.
Cant watch the video at work but by the comments made on here it appears to be a rendition of how many of us would drive on our favourite road.
Generally speaking, if we know a road well enough, then we will be aware of all its hidden possible dangers and drive accordingly. Indeed there is a road I know well somewhere out of Inverness where speeds of 1.4leptons are achievable in safe conditions, owing to the width of the road, the visibility on offer and of course the length of the straights. However, just a few miles down that particular road, there are places where even 0.6leptons are inappropriate. Therefore effective road driving is all about judgement and cannot be deemed either safe or unsafe depending on whether one sticks below or above the stated limit.
Naturally however, we are all planet wrecking psychopaths to whom baby killing is second nature blah blah blah and we'll all go to hell
Still I agree it's best not to advertise this for all and sundry to see.
Edited by ASBO on Wednesday 6th June 14:31
ASBO said:
Generally speaking, if we know a road well enough, then we will be aware of all its hidden possible dangers and drive accordingly.
I think thats when the problems arise though. To assume you know of all the hidden dangers is probably what catches most people out.Afterall, your not going to have an accident when everything is normally how it is and thats why we think it's safe and we allow ourselves to make extra progress through assumptions about the roads condition ahead.
It's when that farm entrance that has been overgrown for the last five years has just been re-instated by the farmer who has left his tractor parked just ahead of a load of mud on your side of the road with oncoming traffic!
Dave
Edited by Mr Whippy on Wednesday 6th June 14:59
PetrolTed said:
The BBC article was probably written by a non-driving wannabe reporter seeking sensationalism. Utter tripe reporting about something that they obviously have little understanding of.
Dear Points of View, about my licence fee...
I have emailed them regarding the article and its very poor content.Dear Points of View, about my licence fee...
Don said:
carrotchomper said:
Another non-story.
Agreed. People do post videos of the most appalling driving on YouTube. That really wasn't that bad or that fast. I've seen stuff that makes you flinch and, I'm sorry, whoever wrote that story hasn't had any further driver training after their L test.
I reckon if I posted up a video of one of my fast drives in the country (no speed limits broken) with full commentary they'd probably slate it as irresponsible lunatic driving.
Well I'm going for my Rospa RoADA re-test today. We'll see if the examiner decides to fail me...
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