RE: 3 months for taking points
Tuesday 3rd July 2007
A father who took the blame for his son’s indiscretion has been given a 3 month custodial sentence. Robert Logue – who had a clean licence – took the blame when his son was caught by a speed camera driving at 51mph in a 40mph zone near Boston, Lincolnshire, last October.
3 months for taking points
77 year old man jailed for taking son’s speeding points
Police were alerted to the offence when the son, also named Robert, boasted to a friend about how he escaped the 3 points on top his already loaded 9 point licence. The friend – presumably ex-friend now - then alerted the authorities.
Both men admitted perverting the course of justice, with the son being jailed for 3 months, fined £150, given 3 points and banned from driving for six months. His father, despite suffering from high blood pressure and having a wife dependant on his support was told by Judge Michael Heath “This is a serious offence. It strikes at the fabric of justice. The message must go out that people who do this, and who say they don’t think they are doing anything seriously wrong, will not get away with it. I have considered your health and domestic circumstances, but I am not persuaded any sentence should be suspended.”
A survey by Churchill Insurance suggested that nearly 500,000 have swapped penalty points with friends and relatives, a fact supported by Paul Smith, from safety group Safe Speed. “The police rely on admission of guilt to secure conviction in these cases, there are hundreds of thousands of people involved in this but there have only been a dozen convictions.”
Discussion
How mad this world has become!! this is crazy, that judge and the guy who sold his soul to the devil has to be banned to the North pole, what a silly world , you better steal or be a criminal then you get/have rights and those people probably normal people who trying to help each-other like family can do are paying a way to hefty price!!
Why is that? we can sell or buy environment rights from or to another country and then can pollute a lot more and that is possible but a man who bites the bullet for taking the counts of the boys license points get jailed?? that's the world again upside down...
were does it stop...the world is going mad...
GTRene
Why is that? we can sell or buy environment rights from or to another country and then can pollute a lot more and that is possible but a man who bites the bullet for taking the counts of the boys license points get jailed?? that's the world again upside down...
were does it stop...the world is going mad...
GTRene
Davi said:
good to see we are making intelligent use of those incredibly sparse spaces in jail cells, for those who are a true danger to the public 
^ what he said, bloody madness. Thats some 'friend' he has there too, going around shopping his mates to the police. Nice.
Edited by Alex_S on Tuesday 3rd July 12:28
Errm,
To license or grant license is to give permission. A license (also spelled licence, particularly in the Commonwealth) is the document demonstrating that permission. License may be granted by a party ("licensor"
to another party ("licensee" as an element of an agreement between those parties. A shorthand definition of a license is "a promise (by the licensor) not to sue (the licensee)."
To license or grant license is to give permission. A license (also spelled licence, particularly in the Commonwealth) is the document demonstrating that permission. License may be granted by a party ("licensor"
to another party ("licensee" as an element of an agreement between those parties. A shorthand definition of a license is "a promise (by the licensor) not to sue (the licensee)."Though why not give him an asbo... like the guy who stole £300,000 worth of bikes, after stealing 1,347 bikes from railway stations over six months. Or is it that this didn't result in some money not going to the government so not as big a crime (assuming a ban has more fines than the straight speeding ticket)???
jacko lah said:
How ELSE do you send out a message that "PERVERTING the Course of Justice and lying is not acceptable" ? Harsh it is, and yes serial criminals get probation, but they could always appeal the harshness.
Pity that message hasnt reached those who claim spurious accuracy and reliability for laser guns.The Griffalo said:
The moral of this story? If you think you've been caught go back at night and torch the scamera instead 
I wont tell if you do such thing
you got my word...with people named in the story, like the judge and that man's "friend" you can't win a war that's for sure..sadly they are all around us sicken the world even more...
GTRene
jacko lah said:
How ELSE do you send out a message that "PERVERTING the Course of Justice and lying is not acceptable" ? Harsh it is, and yes serial criminals get probation, but they could always appeal the harshness.
maybe by having some consistency across the board - you know, the punishment fits the crime - not the punishment will be considerably worse if it's in any way related to motoring.jacko lah said:
How ELSE do you send out a message that "PERVERTING the Course of Justice and lying is not acceptable"
No argument there.article said:
..the son, also named Robert, boasted to a friend about how he escaped the 3 points...
If you are going to PCJ then telling others in not the wisest move. 
This is an absolute bag of s**t!!
“This is a serious offence. It strikes at the fabric of justice. The message must go out that people who do this, and who say they don’t think they are doing anything seriously wrong, will not get away with it."
Ok then, so a yobbish group of young teenagers can go around terrorising old grannys, beat up someone with a weapon and kick someone to death in the street. Some real scum can take one of the gang's 'pool' cars and kill and young lady with huge potential whilst drunk and high on drugs; and get less than 24months in jail with less said by the judge. But taking your son's points warrants a frail old man being given a potential 3 month sentence???? And the son gets 3yrs and a 6 month ban??? What about all the scum drink driving with no insurance and mot etc, 6 points and a small fine?? F**k off!!
Some real f****d up relevance of punishment serving the crime going on here. Why is it that anything getting in the way of the government's half arsed cash horse can be deemed so serious; even when absolutely nobody was hurt?? But to kill someone in a thuggish manner is seen as less so???
There is a certain group of supposedly important people losing all touch with reality here and that is the most serious crime of all.
If anything makes my anger well up its this absolute tripe, justice eh, my arse!!!
“This is a serious offence. It strikes at the fabric of justice. The message must go out that people who do this, and who say they don’t think they are doing anything seriously wrong, will not get away with it."
Ok then, so a yobbish group of young teenagers can go around terrorising old grannys, beat up someone with a weapon and kick someone to death in the street. Some real scum can take one of the gang's 'pool' cars and kill and young lady with huge potential whilst drunk and high on drugs; and get less than 24months in jail with less said by the judge. But taking your son's points warrants a frail old man being given a potential 3 month sentence???? And the son gets 3yrs and a 6 month ban??? What about all the scum drink driving with no insurance and mot etc, 6 points and a small fine?? F**k off!!
Some real f****d up relevance of punishment serving the crime going on here. Why is it that anything getting in the way of the government's half arsed cash horse can be deemed so serious; even when absolutely nobody was hurt?? But to kill someone in a thuggish manner is seen as less so???
There is a certain group of supposedly important people losing all touch with reality here and that is the most serious crime of all.
If anything makes my anger well up its this absolute tripe, justice eh, my arse!!!
Edited by funkyrobot on Tuesday 3rd July 12:41
GTRene said:
The Griffalo said:
The moral of this story? If you think you've been caught go back at night and torch the scamera instead
I wont tell if you do such thing you got my word...with people named in the story, like the judge and that man's "friend" you can't win a war that's for sure..sadly they are all around us sicken the world even more...
GTRene
It wasn't me but I applaud those that did it.
So 1 in every 100 people have taken points for someone else (roughly). That's 1 in every 100 PEOPLE, not motorists.
There are roughly 0.2 police per 100 people (hopefully doing a lot of other things).
Make an example in this case, people won't care. Assuming they keep stum, who's to know?
There are roughly 0.2 police per 100 people (hopefully doing a lot of other things).
Make an example in this case, people won't care. Assuming they keep stum, who's to know?
Points swapping is foolish and wrong. But one has to think quite deeply about the the system of law to appreciate that it is more serious than (say) paying someone else's parking ticket. I suspect that at first take, it can appear to the 'receiver' to be simply an altruistic act and to the 'giver' as a request for a favour.
There is something very wrong with a system of criminal law enforcement that permits and facilitates a person suspected of a minor offence to commit a much more serious offence in order to avoid prosecution for that minor offence, and for a second 'innocent' party to become (perhaps unwittingly) an active collaborator in that serious offence.
I suspect there's a lot of points swapping already going on and it will only increase as more and more people end up with six or more points on their licence. It has the corrosive effect of tending to desensitise the 'driver-population-at-large' to the generally desirable principle of compliance with law.
There is something very wrong with a system of criminal law enforcement that permits and facilitates a person suspected of a minor offence to commit a much more serious offence in order to avoid prosecution for that minor offence, and for a second 'innocent' party to become (perhaps unwittingly) an active collaborator in that serious offence.
I suspect there's a lot of points swapping already going on and it will only increase as more and more people end up with six or more points on their licence. It has the corrosive effect of tending to desensitise the 'driver-population-at-large' to the generally desirable principle of compliance with law.
Alex_S said:
Davi said:
good to see we are making intelligent use of those incredibly sparse spaces in jail cells, for those who are a true danger to the public
^ what he said, bloody madness. Thats some 'friend' he has there too, going around shopping his mates to the police. Nice.
Edited by Alex_S on Tuesday 3rd July 12:28
It's a stupid country and when the police jump to attention over this kind of 'crime' yet pretty much ignore others it's going to put them in an increasingly bad light in the publics eyes.
Not saying a dumbass who speed THROUGH a fixed camera on 9 points isn't probably a bit stupid and deserves a clip round the ear, but the sense of perspective here is hard to grasp when other crimes with real victims go un-punished, yet the guy who ultimately perverted a perverted course of justice in the first place gets a jail sentence.
Whats more interesting is that in the light of insurers seeing points as suggesting no extra risk, then surely it's in the 'powers that be' interests to simply fine people alone for most speeding offenses where DD or DWDCAT can't be shown (ie, all fixed/mobiles with no police officer present), because they'd reduce perversion of justice AND make more money in the long run.
I really am starting to wonder if I'd give any Plod the time of day any more. If they can't act on behalf of the public rather than the behalf of the totalitarian pisspots in power, then I can't be arsed with them!
Dave
Edited by Mr Whippy on Tuesday 3rd July 12:53
Welcome to Surveillance Britain - Nice friends if you can find them, sound more like a story the Jews went through in WWII - Perhaps a new poster "Careless Talk Cost Lives" - "Keep Mum, She's not so dumb". Sometime soon someone is high office needs to look at what is happening to people with the use of this technology - They can track us and find us but when our cars are reported stolen, we are told there is not much chance of getting it back, whether its fitted with a Insurance Approved Thatcham (Self Promotion - more bloody money for shareholders pockets) security device.
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