Global Warming - more evidence of the con
Discussion
I think it's more stating the obvious, but it's nice to have definate proof of much more recent timescales of large disparities of hot and cold, it suggests that what we are seeing now is more natural.
Problem is whatever happens it's always gonna be our fault. A really cold winter, climate change (man made), a really cold summer, climate change, really heavy rain, climate change, no rain, climate change. You can't win when your fighting ignorance!
There is also an article on the BBC related articles saying how the Arctic was tropical 55 million years ago...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/5034026.stm
... well considering the whole continental layout was different 55 million years ago it's no surprise things have changed. I think science already knew about the Cretaceous period but hey ho there you go... (ok, this period ended ~ 10 million years before 55 million years ago, but fairly close, the earth still looked a shed load different)
http://www.bobspixels.com/kaibab.org/geology/gc065...
Maybe if the BBC reporters just read some Encyclopedia's from the early 80's before the Ecofacists got their hands on 'information' and school indoctrination was common place, they'd find out the 'truth' was already known back then.
Dave
Problem is whatever happens it's always gonna be our fault. A really cold winter, climate change (man made), a really cold summer, climate change, really heavy rain, climate change, no rain, climate change. You can't win when your fighting ignorance!
There is also an article on the BBC related articles saying how the Arctic was tropical 55 million years ago...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/5034026.stm
... well considering the whole continental layout was different 55 million years ago it's no surprise things have changed. I think science already knew about the Cretaceous period but hey ho there you go... (ok, this period ended ~ 10 million years before 55 million years ago, but fairly close, the earth still looked a shed load different)
http://www.bobspixels.com/kaibab.org/geology/gc065...
Maybe if the BBC reporters just read some Encyclopedia's from the early 80's before the Ecofacists got their hands on 'information' and school indoctrination was common place, they'd find out the 'truth' was already known back then.
Dave
Edited by Mr Whippy on Friday 6th July 17:00
"We have shown for the first time that southern Greenland, which is currently hidden under more than 2km of ice, was once very different to the Greenland we see today,"
No shit Sherlock. Once Greenland didn't even exist, not so long ago the UK and Europe were one, some time ago Dinosaurs walked the Earth, yesterday the sun came out.
Have they really just discovered that the planet changes? I don't even have a geography O level but could have told them that
No shit Sherlock. Once Greenland didn't even exist, not so long ago the UK and Europe were one, some time ago Dinosaurs walked the Earth, yesterday the sun came out.
Have they really just discovered that the planet changes? I don't even have a geography O level but could have told them that
Mr Whippy said:
Problem is whatever happens it's always gonna be our fault. A really cold winter, climate change (man made), a really cold summer, climate change, really heavy rain, climate change, no rain, climate change. You can't win when your fighting ignorance!
Totally agree - at what point do the lentilist idiots want our climate to stay stable? Because last time I looked a lot of the planet was not really habitable anyway (deserts, too hot/too cold etc). So do we try and keep it like it is in Europe? Well then you still have famine in large bits of Africa. Or floods in Asia. Or 50 degree tempreatures in Phoenix.The mind boggling global stupidity of the human race and our need for guilty self flagellation has astounded me over the past couple of years, culminating in the vast onanism that was Live Earth on Saturday.
"The stone age did not end because we ran out of stone.... we just found a better technology and moved on."
Besides, they can't decide what the weather's going to do in one hour so how the hell they can tell us what it'll be like in 100 years is beyond me!
'Course it's all the fault of aviation, right, I'm off for my flying lesson!
Besides, they can't decide what the weather's going to do in one hour so how the hell they can tell us what it'll be like in 100 years is beyond me!
'Course it's all the fault of aviation, right, I'm off for my flying lesson!
cmsapms said:
Markbishop said:
Did anyone see David Baddiel's comments during Live Earth? One of the few voices of commonsense allowed on TV on this subject IMO.
Quick precis? I refused to watch that parade of mediocrity!Was quite brave of him to do this on live TV with an environmental spokesman trying to argue back.
I spoke to him when he came off air and he said he just didn't agree with it, so why pretend otherwise.
If any of these strident anthropogenic-change advocate climate 'scientists' could model the global climate with enough accuracy to justify the bullshit they spout, I can think of a lot of banks that'd pay them zillions to model the markets.
Instead of the political nonsense that's wasting everyone's time, energy and budgets, there should be people looking at how any changes could be beneficial and react to them in a positive manner. You know, adaptation, like every single
ing living being from plants to humans has been doing since life began.
It's almost like a bunch of first-world dictators have decided they like the status quo and the world must not change...
For a start, unless the planet goes back into a full-bore ice age (unlikely with only one pole covered with a landmass), the hydrological cycle isn't just going to stop (it wouldn't in an ice age either, just more water would get locked up as ice), so whereas some areas may receive less rain, others will receive more. So some places will become better for agriculture, and some will become worse.
What the 'silent powers' are afraid of is the shift in power this will bring, not climate change per se. Jeffrey Sachs' article in Scientific American this month was nauseatingly one-sided - access to water *is* politically sensitive, but from his article you'd believe that climate change is going to stop all the rivers flowing. It won't - it'll just redistribute the water differently to how things are right now.
And that's what they're scared of, IMO. The USA in particular is vulnerable because of widespread monoculture in their agricultural system.
Instead of the political nonsense that's wasting everyone's time, energy and budgets, there should be people looking at how any changes could be beneficial and react to them in a positive manner. You know, adaptation, like every single
ing living being from plants to humans has been doing since life began.It's almost like a bunch of first-world dictators have decided they like the status quo and the world must not change...
For a start, unless the planet goes back into a full-bore ice age (unlikely with only one pole covered with a landmass), the hydrological cycle isn't just going to stop (it wouldn't in an ice age either, just more water would get locked up as ice), so whereas some areas may receive less rain, others will receive more. So some places will become better for agriculture, and some will become worse.
What the 'silent powers' are afraid of is the shift in power this will bring, not climate change per se. Jeffrey Sachs' article in Scientific American this month was nauseatingly one-sided - access to water *is* politically sensitive, but from his article you'd believe that climate change is going to stop all the rivers flowing. It won't - it'll just redistribute the water differently to how things are right now.
And that's what they're scared of, IMO. The USA in particular is vulnerable because of widespread monoculture in their agricultural system.
What is a stable climate - they don't want the climate to change, but it has been changing for the past 4 billion years?
How can we fix the Climate how it was last week?
Do we try and stop seasons?
What was/is a normal climate for a particular part of the world?
What about the areas like Greenland that may prosper from climate change?
What about the deserts that may become temperate again?
How can we fix the Climate how it was last week?
Do we try and stop seasons?
What was/is a normal climate for a particular part of the world?
What about the areas like Greenland that may prosper from climate change?
What about the deserts that may become temperate again?
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