ARB to Sump...
ARB to Sump...
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ketvrin

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3,504 posts

232 months

Sunday 12th August 2007
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I had noticed before that the ARB seemed to be very close to the sump and the sump itself had been welded previously, presumably it had worn through and had to be patched... but today I noticed the ARB was actually touching the sump on the offside. both engine mounts and ARB Bushes look OK and not at all tired but I'm unhappy with what I see. I'm sure that both engine mounts are the same so why just touching on one side ?
I managed to wedge the gap open enough to fix some bearing quality nylon in there for now but recognise this is just a temporary fix.
Any suggestions ? packing the engine mounts perhaps? replacing the sump with one with more clearance ? modifying the existing sump ? something else ???
frown
K

pies

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279 months

ketvrin

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3,504 posts

232 months

Sunday 12th August 2007
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Cheers Colin that does help and if my mate Ken is reading this and still has some of those shims it looks like it will be my round in the Snake Pass Inn again (but not this week if the weather forecasters are to be believed... )

15 to 25mm as the norm is a big difference from what I have so I guess I probably need new engine mounts as well. mine are numbered "073535" and have the Ford logo as the alternative parts list...

Kevin

clarenceboddiger

1,398 posts

238 months

Monday 13th August 2007
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Let me now when you want the shims Kev, I can post them if you want them for next weekend??

ketvrin

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Monday 13th August 2007
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clarenceboddiger said:
Let me now when you want the shims Kev, I can post them if you want them for next weekend??
Cheers Ken - what thickness are they ? I think I may need the new mounts too so no need to post the shims just yet wink

clarenceboddiger

1,398 posts

238 months

Wednesday 15th August 2007
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2mm Thick

ketvrin

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232 months

Wednesday 15th August 2007
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Cheers Ken, I will be having a good look this weekend to see what I need to do, but time will be limited as I intend to join the lakeland tour on sunday. Hopefully I will be able to figure out whats needed then.
I see the mounts on the TVRCARPARTS site at £20+ ea but cant see any on ebay or elsewhere at the moment (some transit items but I'm not sure about size).
So I will be either replacing the mounts, or temporarily inserting some shims... Have you or anyone else done this job recently ? whats the job like ? How easy is it to get to the nuts ? any tricks ? do you add the shims above the mount or below or does it make no difference ?

any advice appreciated as usual... thumbup

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Mr Plow

1,193 posts

251 months

Wednesday 15th August 2007
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ketvrin

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232 months

Wednesday 15th August 2007
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Cheers Liam it does give an insight into the problem frown - at least my sump is not holed so its just the struggle with the mounts to look forward to eh ?

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spludge

327 posts

242 months

Wednesday 15th August 2007
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Changed mine a few weeks back to fix a similar problem. The old mounts had sagged but were otherwise in good nick. With them off the car the studs were offset by around 10-12mm and probably more under load.

A useful tip I picked up from an earlier thread was to use two different combo spanners, thats with different rotation of the splines to the shank, to get some of the nuts off (and on). I had to use three, in sequence, to get the engine sides undone. I also took the bracket off the engine on the drivers side which I think made things a little easier. I used the 50mm mounts from Rallydesign which are the same size as the originals but a real struggle to get in.

The slots in the chassis are very tight on the studs so you'll need to make sure they are cleaned out before fitting the new mounts. Make a note of where all the washers come from and ensure you refit the same way round. Give the engine a good shove to bed it down before you tighten everything up. I don't think theres any height adjustment to be had by moving the mounts up/down in the slots, not much anyway, so I just set the mounts centred on the brackets.

On reflection it seems a straightforward enough job but it certainly didn't feel like that at the time. The spanner work is tedious because access is so tight, and lots of fiddling with the jack to get the engine positioned just right to get the mounts out and in. Leave youself plenty of time and get a mate to help with pushing the engine over a bit while you fit the new bits.

Oh, and I cut the end plates from the old mounts and cleaned them up to use as spacers for when the new mounts sag.

K






Mr Plow

1,193 posts

251 months

Wednesday 15th August 2007
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The spanner work is a pain. for the bottom mounts I managed to find a deep ring spanner that fitted in the gap and gave more room than any other spanner. Definately worth getting hold of one if you can.

ketvrin

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3,504 posts

232 months

Wednesday 15th August 2007
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Thanks for the tips chaps - I love this site !

I'll keep you posted on how I get on...

K wink

spludge

327 posts

242 months

Wednesday 15th August 2007
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First stop for me was the local pawn shop, Cash Exchange or whatever it's called, for a rummage in the odd spanners and sockets bins. Turned up quite a few useful bits at 25 or 50p a pop to supplement my toolbox over the last year, including a couple of different 17mm combo spanners for this job.

K

clarenceboddiger

1,398 posts

238 months

Wednesday 15th August 2007
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Kev this link may also help re undoing the old mounts
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...

spludge

327 posts

242 months

Wednesday 15th August 2007
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Thats the link I was thinking of ^^^^^

Don't like the idea of nylocs there though, mine had plain nuts and spring washers which save a fair bit of spannering.

K

ketvrin

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232 months

Thursday 16th August 2007
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clarenceboddiger said:
Kev this link may also help re undoing the old mounts
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...
Thanks again Ken, and the prices for those engine mounts look far better than TVRCarparts prices...

K