Which Aussie car - Falcon or Commodore? ( with pics!)
Discussion
Its not another what car thread, but just wondering, which do you prefer and would they do well in the uk (prices for actual cars shown):
FPV F6 Typhoon - c.£25k
FPV FPV GT-P c.£25k
Falcon XR6 Turbo - c.£12k
Holden Commodore VE (new one) c.£20k
Holden Commodore VZ (old one) c.£12k
HSV Grange -c.£32k
HSV Senator - c.£30k
HSV GTS - c.£28k
FPV F6 Typhoon - c.£25k
FPV FPV GT-P c.£25k
Falcon XR6 Turbo - c.£12k
Holden Commodore VE (new one) c.£20k
Holden Commodore VZ (old one) c.£12k
HSV Grange -c.£32k
HSV Senator - c.£30k
HSV GTS - c.£28k
Edited by Fiddlemesticks on Wednesday 22 August 13:33
you've muddled the commodores up at the top..
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but if it were a VE commodore then that's what i'd have otherwise the falcon (well an FPV GTblah).
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they do a foresteresque falcon estate thing 'territory'? you can get one with the xr6 turbo engine - emissions aside i could see something like that doing okay.
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but if it were a VE commodore then that's what i'd have otherwise the falcon (well an FPV GTblah).
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they do a foresteresque falcon estate thing 'territory'? you can get one with the xr6 turbo engine - emissions aside i could see something like that doing okay.
I'd go for the Falcon myself 
generally considered to have the better driving chassis despite being the older model, although Holden's chev V8's are still better than the Ford ones. I'd go for an XR6 turbo (or FPV Typhoon) over the V8 equivalent anyway - easy tuning potential, more torque than the V8's even in standard form, and being a 4.0 straight-6 with low-pressure turbo the lag is supposedly pretty much nonexistent.
generally considered to have the better driving chassis despite being the older model, although Holden's chev V8's are still better than the Ford ones. I'd go for an XR6 turbo (or FPV Typhoon) over the V8 equivalent anyway - easy tuning potential, more torque than the V8's even in standard form, and being a 4.0 straight-6 with low-pressure turbo the lag is supposedly pretty much nonexistent.GravelBen said:
I'd go for the Falcon myself generally considered to have the better driving chassis despite being the older model, although Holden's chev V8's are still better than the Ford ones. I'd go for an XR6 turbo (or FPV Typhoon) over the V8 equivalent anyway - easy tuning potential, more torque than the V8's even in standard form, and being a 4.0 straight-6 with low-pressure turbo the lag is supposedly pretty much nonexistent.
that's not what the aussie and NZdy magazines (that i have got) say. they pretty much reckon the falcon is better than the VZ(??) commodore but now the VE is out the VE is the best. especially with the electrospectro wunder dampers. generally considered to have the better driving chassis despite being the older model, although Holden's chev V8's are still better than the Ford ones. I'd go for an XR6 turbo (or FPV Typhoon) over the V8 equivalent anyway - easy tuning potential, more torque than the V8's even in standard form, and being a 4.0 straight-6 with low-pressure turbo the lag is supposedly pretty much nonexistent.baSkey said:
that's not what the aussie and NZdy magazines (that i have got) say. they pretty much reckon the falcon is better than the VZ(??) commodore but now the VE is out the VE is the best. especially with the electrospectro wunder dampers.
I haven't read many tests of the VE, isn't it only the ultimate top-line HSV GTS which gets the electro-damper things?Most of the people I know who've driven the VE weren't that impressed with it, like my dad's boss who was all ready to get one for the company (to replace a VT-II S V6) until he drove it, after which it wasn't really considered an option.
GravelBen said:
baSkey said:
that's not what the aussie and NZdy magazines (that i have got) say. they pretty much reckon the falcon is better than the VZ(??) commodore but now the VE is out the VE is the best. especially with the electrospectro wunder dampers.
I haven't read many tests of the VE, 
GravelBen said:
isn't it only the ultimate top-line HSV GTS which gets the electro-damper things?
yes i think so.baSkey said:
how have you managed this? when i was there (last sept) you couldn't get a maagazine that didn't have a VE test
Too much time spent on Pistonheads, it helps me avoid spending precious petrol money on magazines 
Probably also that I'd just skim over an article about a relatively bland car which doesn't interest me that much - how much attention would you pay to a test of a new 'sporty' V6 Mondeo or Vectra? Those are probably the equivalent cars for the UK market I imagine. It's only the top models which are anything special, and TBH I'd much rather read about a GT3 or something in a magazine.
GravelBen said:
baSkey said:
how have you managed this? when i was there (last sept) you couldn't get a maagazine that didn't have a VE test
Too much time spent on Pistonheads, it helps me avoid spending precious petrol money on magazines Probably also that I'd just skim over an article about a relatively bland car which doesn't interest me that much - how much attention would you pay to a test of a new 'sporty' V6 Mondeo or Vectra? Those are probably the equivalent cars for the UK market I imagine. It's only the top models which are anything special, and TBH I'd much rather read about a GT3 or something in a magazine.
what it's actually like is "oh god not another people carrier/suv/version of the same car that produces very slightly less c02"..!
baSkey said:
what it's actually like is "oh god not another people carrier/suv/version of the same car that produces very slightly less c02"..!
Funny you mention that sort of thing, NZ Autocar did a big fuel economy test last year - a Fiat Punto diesel won, but I found it quite amusing that the Ford Territory 4.0 with the LPG kit cost less to run over their test distance than the Honda Jazz etc, and iirc it beat the Prius as well. 3rd overall or something, bet the tree-huggers got wound up about that one 
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