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2 out of 10 for looks
but 11 out of 10 for power. Anyone else brave enough?!
2 out of 10 for looks
but 11 out of 10 for power. Anyone else brave enough?!
It seems to have been backed into a picnic table.
Not sure I'd want to run NOS on an AJP8, if it has 440bhp then apart from cost I don't see the real advantage over a RR conversion. Also a RR conversion would have 440 all the time as opposed to the 10 seconds you have before the thing detonates.
I do like the colour, not sure about the front.
D.
Not sure I'd want to run NOS on an AJP8, if it has 440bhp then apart from cost I don't see the real advantage over a RR conversion. Also a RR conversion would have 440 all the time as opposed to the 10 seconds you have before the thing detonates.
I do like the colour, not sure about the front.
D.
Hmmm,
440 bhp. It says NOS adds 60 bhp so it has 380 bhp without NOS. What else has he done to it? (apart from the inlets). All the standard 4.5's I've heard of make around 350 bhp. Is this a dyno tested 440 bhp or just a wild guess?
The AJP8 is hardly a watchword for reliability, it might not survive a dyno run. Don't get me wrong, I think power mods are a great idea (I am probably going to get a RR cerb) I'm just not sure this is the way to go.
Rob.
440 bhp. It says NOS adds 60 bhp so it has 380 bhp without NOS. What else has he done to it? (apart from the inlets). All the standard 4.5's I've heard of make around 350 bhp. Is this a dyno tested 440 bhp or just a wild guess?
The AJP8 is hardly a watchword for reliability, it might not survive a dyno run. Don't get me wrong, I think power mods are a great idea (I am probably going to get a RR cerb) I'm just not sure this is the way to go.
Rob.
I think it's great .. love the spoiler .. want one for the S now 
not too keen on the front lights, but I fully respect the owner's wish to have them, it's certainly eye-catching.
Why should the engine detonate with nitrous? it's a very safe and effective way to boost power .. it's actually waaaay more effective than any other form of tuning actually since it boosts torque by the same amount everywhere in the rev range .. a 60 hp nitrous kit will be much more effective than a RR conversion since the RR conversion as with all conventional normally aspirated tuning only benefits once past the point of the original restriction , but the nitrous boosts torque from the instant it's injected .. it'll be far faster than a RR cerbie in real terms. Way to go Campbell, top car - I love it.
not too keen on the front lights, but I fully respect the owner's wish to have them, it's certainly eye-catching. Why should the engine detonate with nitrous? it's a very safe and effective way to boost power .. it's actually waaaay more effective than any other form of tuning actually since it boosts torque by the same amount everywhere in the rev range .. a 60 hp nitrous kit will be much more effective than a RR conversion since the RR conversion as with all conventional normally aspirated tuning only benefits once past the point of the original restriction , but the nitrous boosts torque from the instant it's injected .. it'll be far faster than a RR cerbie in real terms. Way to go Campbell, top car - I love it.
Hmm. Not at all sure about the bonnet. Or the torpedo tubes. Where's the periscope?!
Do like the rear wing, though for my money, something NASCAResque would be more in keeping with the Cerbie's looks, & possibly work for downforce. With perhaps a GreenV8S style front splitter & a timing bar..
I have often thought of a 944 style diffuser for the Cerb: nothing like the Tamora's prolapse/hernia look, more sort of 360. Bodo?!
Great colour, though
Do like the rear wing, though for my money, something NASCAResque would be more in keeping with the Cerbie's looks, & possibly work for downforce. With perhaps a GreenV8S style front splitter & a timing bar..
I have often thought of a 944 style diffuser for the Cerb: nothing like the Tamora's prolapse/hernia look, more sort of 360. Bodo?!
Great colour, though
joospeed said: it boosts torque by the same amount everywhere in the rev range ..
True, but be careful not to press the nitrous button while the revs are low (and the engine under load).
Maybe this is why he used a progressive delivery.
joospeed said:
it'll be far faster than a RR cerbie in real terms.
Until the nitrous runs out (30 secs?)
Agree with the point about nitrous being a good way to boost power but it is really only useful for the drag strip (motorway
) IMHO. not sure about this .. didn't richard thorpe take a whole lap of the nurburgring to empty his nitrous bottle .. that's 14 odd miles isn't it? .. more or less flat out .. sounds more than 30 seconds to me. even if he was only flat out for a quareter of the time it's still 3 plus miles worth. How many times are you actually flat out on the road .. maybe a couple of times each journey when you really need it? .. think the nitrous would last a looooong time on a road car, especialy one with 380 bhp to begin with, for this reason it's gotta be better than the RR conversion .. only 20 odd bhp down most of the time (and don't forget that's 380 bhp at 6500 revs or thereabouts .. everywhere else it's less than that) .. but with an instant 60 bhp extra when he feels like it .. brilliant...
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2 out of 10 for looks
but 11 out of 10 for power. Anyone else brave enough?!
Oh dear.
If you want more power there's only one way to go, Supercharging.
I thought the whole point of NOS was to give an instant, short boost to the power, and if it was used for long periods it could do significant damage to the engine, unless of course the engine has been modified to cope with the extra heat and power. Also the fact that it was 'instant' and therefore like a switch would put a lot of strain on not only the engine but the drivetrain.
However it does say that this car has a 'progressive' system which might be something completely different.
If NOS is so good why is it not fitted to production cars?
D.
However it does say that this car has a 'progressive' system which might be something completely different.
If NOS is so good why is it not fitted to production cars?
D.
davidd said: I thought the whole point of NOS was to give an instant, short boost to the power,
Yes, that is correct. It is particularly useful for Turbocharged engines as it is very good at eliminating lag as it can give great increases in low-rpm torque.
and if it was used for long periods it could do significant damage to the engine, unless of course the engine has been modified to cope with the extra heat and power.
Long period running can cause this but not if the engine is properly sorted. In fact standard engines can be used with small amounts of nitrous and should last a long time when treated with respect. Because Nitrous is stored under high pressure (around 900psi) it remains in a liquid form until it is injected into the engine whereupon it expands and turns into a gaseous form, since it is cold when injected it actually reduces the intake temperature by 60-75oF so feeds the engine a much denser mixture which in turn creates more power. But since it introduces an increased amount of oxygen to the engine you will actually get higher combustion temperatures than normal and if the fuel mixture is set too lean, the engine will turn itself into an oxy-acetylene torch
head gaskets and pistons burn very rapidly even forged aluminium ones, so the correct fuel ratio is very important.
Also the fact that it was 'instant' and therefore like a switch would put a lot of strain on not only the engine but the drivetrain.
As mentioned earlier used in small amounts and with respect a standard engine can run Nitrous without any trouble.
No idea the article I'm using makes no mention of this.
However it does say that this car has a 'progressive' system which might be something completely different.
If NOS is so good why is it not fitted to production cars?
D.
Because it takes up a lot of space, a normal size bottle is 10lb (so it holds 10lb of nitrous in liquid form) there are also 5lb and 20lb bottles, bung one or two of these bottles in your car and you'll begin to run out of boot space.
If anyone wants a copy of the article I have on this mail me through my profile. You could also try this website www.noswizard.com This website mentions progressive systems.
>> Edited by tuscansix on Wednesday 11th June 13:51
ro_butler said: True, but be careful not to press the nitrous button while the revs are low (and the engine under load).
Maybe this is why he used a progressive delivery.
Actually it can be used at low revs particularly on Turbo'd cars to eliminate lag.
Agree with the point about nitrous being a good way to boost power but it is really only useful for the drag strip (motorway
Naughty boy, nitrous is legal when fitted in a road car, but illegal when used on the road. So if a system is fitted to fully abide by the law, a N2O sticker is fitted in the back window and the nitrous line from the bottle is disconnected, which should show that you are not intending to use it. Unless you have a concealed bottle somewhere else.
ro_butler saidTrue, but be careful not to press the nitrous button while the revs are low (and the engine under load).
Maybe this is why he used a progressive delivery
Okay....so I started the thread on Stuff & Gossip and I'm not really good at techie stuff.......
but Cam did say that he doesn't 'press the nitrous button' for a sudden burst of speed.......
he puts the button down when first starting the car and it remains on...so that when he wants it..it's a case of pedal to the floor and go...go....go....
Okay....shoot me down in flames.......
Campbell....
.....where are you!!!!!.... I know you are reading the threads!!!!!! 
.....//P// He has a progessive nox,so rather than have 100% nitro straight off,it has an ecu which is programable so you can have it kick in at say 3000rpm so the throttle becomes the switch.
This cerb throws flames even without nox.Approx 2' blue flames.If you ever get the chance follow him at night.Very amusing
This cerb throws flames even without nox.Approx 2' blue flames.If you ever get the chance follow him at night.Very amusing
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