Toyota celica GT4
Discussion
The GT4s are solid built cars and if you are not planning on trying to get huge BHP out of it you'll do fine.
Same goes for the other Japanese 4WDs such as Scoobs and EVOs.
Only thing to watch out for on the GT4s especially on track use are the fig-8 suspension lower arm joints. These are prone to wearing out and as they wear they cause further wear to the other suspension parts. Ends up being a costly replacement.
EVOs in stock BHP are reliable but go for the RS version as you;ll find it much better for track days. The GSRs have the AYC diff which alwyas cuts in and interferes with your driving IMO. Some people like it, others don't.
I'm no expert in Scoobs.
Best way to go for a track car is to concentrate on weight reduction as opposed to increasing the BHP all the time.
A lot of people do the opposite and spend £1000's upping the BHP... in the process they create a less reliable engine which they then go and thrash round tracks.... it usually ends in tears.
Same goes for the other Japanese 4WDs such as Scoobs and EVOs.
Only thing to watch out for on the GT4s especially on track use are the fig-8 suspension lower arm joints. These are prone to wearing out and as they wear they cause further wear to the other suspension parts. Ends up being a costly replacement.
EVOs in stock BHP are reliable but go for the RS version as you;ll find it much better for track days. The GSRs have the AYC diff which alwyas cuts in and interferes with your driving IMO. Some people like it, others don't.
I'm no expert in Scoobs.
Best way to go for a track car is to concentrate on weight reduction as opposed to increasing the BHP all the time.
A lot of people do the opposite and spend £1000's upping the BHP... in the process they create a less reliable engine which they then go and thrash round tracks.... it usually ends in tears.
I used to own a GT4 before I had a Supra TT, the GT4's have fantastic handling. Myself and 2 friends who were in an Evo6 and a Subaru STI 5 went to the lakes for a weekend and they could only just keep up with me.
When they were infront I was also able to keep up without problem so there's not much in it on twisty roads.
Also, the celica is probably better built and more reliable than the other 2.
Cheers.
When they were infront I was also able to keep up without problem so there's not much in it on twisty roads.
Also, the celica is probably better built and more reliable than the other 2.
Cheers.
If you like the GT4 I'm sure it'll be fine, but you might want to try an Impreza/evo first.
I test-drove a GT4 and was frankly a bit bored. He had prints from two rolling roads showing a smidge over 300bhp and we were on some interesting twisty roads but it just wasn't exciting at all.
My (pretty much bog standard) scooby is much more entertaining IMO. Sharper steering, more pointy front end (not quite the same thing), sharper throttle response, far less lag if you're in the wrong cog, crisp gearshift and much much better noise.
It really depends what you're after. The Celica is a nice GT car with loads of grip and a hefty amount of power. The Subaru and evo are rally refugees.
I test-drove a GT4 and was frankly a bit bored. He had prints from two rolling roads showing a smidge over 300bhp and we were on some interesting twisty roads but it just wasn't exciting at all.
My (pretty much bog standard) scooby is much more entertaining IMO. Sharper steering, more pointy front end (not quite the same thing), sharper throttle response, far less lag if you're in the wrong cog, crisp gearshift and much much better noise.
It really depends what you're after. The Celica is a nice GT car with loads of grip and a hefty amount of power. The Subaru and evo are rally refugees.
Edited by _Al_ on Monday 3rd September 22:57
many thanks. Have come out of a 911 and M3 before that, and now running a markV golf r32. its a fantastic car, but too clinical, and civilised! Am getting bored with it already. Agree on wieght-saving the most important, rather than huge output. TBH have always thot scooby/EVO ticked all the boxes for me, but never gone for them as put off by huge spoilers etc. Just prefer more discrete. But having said that, it seems to me everything else out-weighs. Have got a short wheel base toyota landcruiser form a bit of off-roading and love it. '99 with 130k and it's simply indestructable. The japs know how to make cars...
Think i'm going to look out for an older scooby/evo, and look to strip it out. Having takn a quick look around tho, am a bit bewlidered by all the alternative versions. Any pointers as to which are best, for relatively hard-core, but ok on short road trips... and quick??
cheers
Think i'm going to look out for an older scooby/evo, and look to strip it out. Having takn a quick look around tho, am a bit bewlidered by all the alternative versions. Any pointers as to which are best, for relatively hard-core, but ok on short road trips... and quick??
cheers
Toyota ST205s understeer by default. I've tweaked the suspension and slapped a rear ARB on, and understeer is now something other cars do.
As regards the noise, no cat and a Blitz pipe sort that out. It'll never sound like a boxer four, but it's more interesting.
17psi should be 300bhp on stock internals with no problem. I wouldn't go further than that without supporting fuelling modifications. Gearbox and drivetrain are good for big power. Standard brakes are also very good.
I'd suggest it's a bit heavy for track work though.
As regards the noise, no cat and a Blitz pipe sort that out. It'll never sound like a boxer four, but it's more interesting.
17psi should be 300bhp on stock internals with no problem. I wouldn't go further than that without supporting fuelling modifications. Gearbox and drivetrain are good for big power. Standard brakes are also very good.
I'd suggest it's a bit heavy for track work though.
Gassing Station | Japanese Chat | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff