Overtaking on a Pedestrian Crossing

[Get Karter]

The other day I was driving behind a taxi along my local high street. He stopped right on a pedestrian crossing to pick up a fare.

There was no one waiting to cross the crossing.
There were no pedestrians anywhere near it.
There was nothing coming the other way.

But I sat behind him and waited, because overtaking him would have meant crossing the zigzags.

The guy in the car behind me was peeping me and making 'Gareth Hunt' signs towards me. But I still didn't budge until the taxi set off again.

Could I have passed the taxi (legally), was I too cautious?

The guy behind me didn't bother me....I just thought, if you're so bloomin' 'ard then why not overtake the both of us?

Edited by Get Karter on Monday 15th October 19:25

[vonhosen]

Yes you could have passed him.

It would be an offence to pass the 'moving' 'motor vehicle' nearest the crossing.
OR
The lead stationary 'vehicle' according precedence to a pedestrian using the crossing.

Edited by vonhosen on Monday 15th October 19:36

[Get Karter]

vonhosen said:

Yes you could have passed him.

It would be an offence to pass the 'moving' 'motor vehicle' nearest the crossing.
OR
The lead stationary 'vehicle' according precedence to a pedestrian using the crossing.

Edited by vonhosen on Monday 15th October 19:36

Thanks for that. I will know next time.

Was the taxi driver in the wrong to stop on zig zags....I know the Police book anyone parking on them. Surely stopping to pick up a fare causes the same 'visibility' problems as a parked car?

[vonhosen]

Get Karter said:

vonhosen said:

Yes you could have passed him.

It would be an offence to pass the 'moving' 'motor vehicle' nearest the crossing.
OR
The lead stationary 'vehicle' according precedence to a pedestrian using the crossing.

Edited by vonhosen on Monday 15th October 19:36

Thanks for that. I will know next time.

Was the taxi driver in the wrong to stop on zig zags....I know the Police book anyone parking on them. Surely stopping to pick up a fare causes the same 'visibility' problems as a parked car?

No they shouldn't stop to pick up passengers within the zebra controlled area.

[naetype]

vonhosen said:

No they shouldn't stop to pick up passengers within the zebra controlled area.

3 points & £60 I believe.

However, what is defined as a lead vehicle at the pedestrian crossing, particularly on a d/c?

[vonhosen]

naetype said:

vonhosen said:

No they shouldn't stop to pick up passengers within the zebra controlled area.

3 points & £60 I believe.

However, what is defined as a lead vehicle at the pedestrian crossing, particularly on a d/c?

For the overtaking a moving, it's the 'motor vehicle' closest to the crossing on the approach side.

For the according precedence it's the 'vehicle' (includes pedal cycle) that has stopped first in line to the crossing.

[knibbo]

Did you notice the colour of the Taxi drivers skin, and was his rear licence plate valid. Im not racist, so dont bother me, but like drivers in Delihi ? comes to mind. Knibbo.

[supermono]

knibbo said:

Did you notice the colour of the Taxi drivers skin, and was his rear licence plate valid. Im not racist, so dont bother me, but like drivers in Delihi ? comes to mind. Knibbo.

I can't see how the race of the taxi driver has any bearing on the Highway Code/motoring law.

Perhaps you should start a new thread entitled "Im(sic) not racist but I've noticed that Indian taxi drivers have invalid licence plates and don't know the Highway Code"

SM

[Bing o]

supermono said:

knibbo said:

Did you notice the colour of the Taxi drivers skin, and was his rear licence plate valid. Im not racist, so dont bother me, but like drivers in Delihi ? comes to mind. Knibbo.

I can't see how the race of the taxi driver has any bearing on the Highway Code/motoring law.

Perhaps you should start a new thread entitled "Im(sic) not racist but I've noticed that Indian taxi drivers have invalid licence plates and don't know the Highway Code"

SM

Ah yes, the old "I'm not rascist but I don't like coons or pakis..." line - makes you proud to be English doesn't it?

I bet Knibbo has a black mate too....Like all good BNP members.

[RDE]

Pistonheads: Intolerance Matters. Good job he wasn't a homosexual ginger asian taxi driver by the sound of it.

[kayos]

I had sort of the same problem: A bus was stopped at a junction, on a corner with double white lines on the road so I should not cross them. I waited for a while but the bus just sat there, no indicators on so no way of knowing the drivers intentions, in the end I overtook it, but i suppose I could have been done for crossing the double lines. This was on a country road in "rush" hour.

[7db]

vonhosen said:

Get Karter said:

vonhosen said:

Yes you could have passed him.

It would be an offence to pass the 'moving' 'motor vehicle' nearest the crossing.
OR
The lead stationary 'vehicle' according precedence to a pedestrian using the crossing.

Edited by vonhosen on Monday 15th October 19:36

Thanks for that. I will know next time.

Was the taxi driver in the wrong to stop on zig zags....I know the Police book anyone parking on them. Surely stopping to pick up a fare causes the same 'visibility' problems as a parked car?

No they shouldn't stop to pick up passengers within the zebra controlled area.

Unless it's on the zig-zags after the crossing, Von?

[vonhosen]

7db said:

vonhosen said:

Get Karter said:

vonhosen said:

Yes you could have passed him.

It would be an offence to pass the 'moving' 'motor vehicle' nearest the crossing.
OR
The lead stationary 'vehicle' according precedence to a pedestrian using the crossing.

Edited by vonhosen on Monday 15th October 19:36

Thanks for that. I will know next time.

Was the taxi driver in the wrong to stop on zig zags....I know the Police book anyone parking on them. Surely stopping to pick up a fare causes the same 'visibility' problems as a parked car?

No they shouldn't stop to pick up passengers within the zebra controlled area.

Unless it's on the zig-zags after the crossing, Von?

Not a taxi but a public service vehicle providing a 'local service' or to carry passengers for hire or reward (separate fares NOT tours or excursions), if the vehicle has proceeded past the crossing & is waiting in that area in order to pick up or set down passengers.

[Get Karter]

vonhosen said:

7db said:

vonhosen said:

Get Karter said:

vonhosen said:

Yes you could have passed him.

It would be an offence to pass the 'moving' 'motor vehicle' nearest the crossing.
OR
The lead stationary 'vehicle' according precedence to a pedestrian using the crossing.

Edited by vonhosen on Monday 15th October 19:36

Thanks for that. I will know next time.

Was the taxi driver in the wrong to stop on zig zags....I know the Police book anyone parking on them. Surely stopping to pick up a fare causes the same 'visibility' problems as a parked car?

No they shouldn't stop to pick up passengers within the zebra controlled area.

Unless it's on the zig-zags after the crossing, Von?

Not a taxi but a public service vehicle providing a 'local service' or to carry passengers for hire or reward (separate fares NOT tours or excursions), if the vehicle has proceeded past the crossing & is waiting in that area in order to pick up or set down passengers.

So how is "a public service vehicle" causing less danger by stopping on these lines than a non-public service vehicle?

It's like residential areas where there are double yellow lines on corners to aid junction visibility/space, but cars with disabled badges can park on them all day.

Never understood the logic tbh. I guess they are laws created by committees.

[7db]

Why isn't a taxi a public service vehicle?

[R_U_LOCAL]

7db said:

Why isn't a taxi a public service vehicle?

Because it's a hackney cab or private hire vehicle.

[Get Karter]

R_U_LOCAL said:

7db said:

Why isn't a taxi a public service vehicle?

Because it's a hackney cab or private hire vehicle.

Good answer.

Care to have a pop at the slightly trickier question from my post above 7db's?

[vonhosen]

7db said:

Why isn't a taxi a public service vehicle?

PSV is not defined within the The Zebra, Pelican and Puffin Pedestrian Crossings Regulations.

Elsewhere it's a motor vehicle (other than a tramcar) which-

(a) being a vehicle adapted to carry more than eight passengers, is used for carrying passengers for hire or reward; or
(b) being a vehicle not so adapted, is used for carrying passengers for hire or reward at separate fares in the course of a business of carrying passengers.

[Major Bloodnok]

kayos said:

I had sort of the same problem: A bus was stopped at a junction, on a corner with double white lines on the road so I should not cross them. I waited for a while but the bus just sat there, no indicators on so no way of knowing the drivers intentions, in the end I overtook it, but i suppose I could have been done for crossing the double lines. This was on a country road in "rush" hour.

You're allowed to cross a solid white line to get past a stationary obstruction.

[7db]

vonhosen said:

7db said:

Why isn't a taxi a public service vehicle?

PSV is not defined within the The Zebra, Pelican and Puffin Pedestrian Crossings Regulations.

Elsewhere it's a motor vehicle (other than a tramcar) which-

(a) being a vehicle adapted to carry more than eight passengers, is used for carrying passengers for hire or reward; or
(b) being a vehicle not so adapted, is used for carrying passengers for hire or reward at separate fares in the course of a business of carrying passengers.

So are you saying a taxi isn't (b)?

BUT

Note Transport Act 1985
11.
Advance booking of taxis and hire cars at separate fares.
(1) Where the conditions mentioned in subsection (2) below are met, a licensed taxi or licensed hire car may be used for the carriage of passengers for hire or reward at separate fares without thereby—

(a)
becoming a public service vehicle for the purposes of the 1981 Act or any related enactment;
blah blah blah