Focus TDCI 2002 Stalling/Cutting Out
Discussion
Hi Guys,
I recently bought my daughter a 2002 Focus TDCI Ghia. After 2 months it began to stall at junctions occasionally. We took it to our local garage and had the fuel filter changed to no avail. We then took it to our local Ford dealer who fitted a Camshaft sensor and wiring loom having identified a fault code. The car has been worse since, stalling more and more and cutting out whilst running.
We took it back to Ford who now say that they have found "swarf" in the fuel system and that it now needs a new injection pump, injectors, injector pipes etc etc etc...a cost of £2578.82 plus vat. Does this seem realistic given the car runs so well when not stalling?
Gary
I recently bought my daughter a 2002 Focus TDCI Ghia. After 2 months it began to stall at junctions occasionally. We took it to our local garage and had the fuel filter changed to no avail. We then took it to our local Ford dealer who fitted a Camshaft sensor and wiring loom having identified a fault code. The car has been worse since, stalling more and more and cutting out whilst running.
We took it back to Ford who now say that they have found "swarf" in the fuel system and that it now needs a new injection pump, injectors, injector pipes etc etc etc...a cost of £2578.82 plus vat. Does this seem realistic given the car runs so well when not stalling?
Gary
Thats a difficult one without seeing the car,has it had the wrong fuel put in it during the time you have owned it?Its worth getting a second opinion on the metal particles in the fuel system,if they are in there then what you have been quoted is correct procedure as far as repairs go.Did any fault codes show up during diagnostic testing?
Hi Jon,
Thanks for your reply, so far as I am aware there has been no incorrect fuel used, certainly during our ownership. The first visit to the Ford dealer showed a fault code, this was the camshaft sensor and wiring loom (for the sensor). The subsequent visit showed up another fault the "turbo vac solenoid body cracked". However as I say Fords insist that it needs the new pump etc. My initial thoughts were that I found it hard to believe it needed all this work given how well the car runs.
I had looked on some websites re this fault who where suggesting that having the ECU re-mapped can often resolve this stalling problem but Fords assure me this will not help and as a result are reluctant to do this.
I fear I may have to bite the bullet here as the car is worth very little as is. I appreciate it is not worth a lot more running than the cost of the repair...maybe we keep it for the next ten years to break even!.
Just on the same subject, I had a "W" redg Focus 1800 tdi diesel from new. At 80k the injector pump went, the engine completely died on a motorway and would not restart......different symptoms but same end result!...a new injector/high pressure pump....I have to say that this will certainly be the last Ford diesel I ever contemplate buying....2 failures in 2 cars leaves a bad taste!
Gary
Thanks for your reply, so far as I am aware there has been no incorrect fuel used, certainly during our ownership. The first visit to the Ford dealer showed a fault code, this was the camshaft sensor and wiring loom (for the sensor). The subsequent visit showed up another fault the "turbo vac solenoid body cracked". However as I say Fords insist that it needs the new pump etc. My initial thoughts were that I found it hard to believe it needed all this work given how well the car runs.
I had looked on some websites re this fault who where suggesting that having the ECU re-mapped can often resolve this stalling problem but Fords assure me this will not help and as a result are reluctant to do this.
I fear I may have to bite the bullet here as the car is worth very little as is. I appreciate it is not worth a lot more running than the cost of the repair...maybe we keep it for the next ten years to break even!.
Just on the same subject, I had a "W" redg Focus 1800 tdi diesel from new. At 80k the injector pump went, the engine completely died on a motorway and would not restart......different symptoms but same end result!...a new injector/high pressure pump....I have to say that this will certainly be the last Ford diesel I ever contemplate buying....2 failures in 2 cars leaves a bad taste!
Gary
so the car can run at small intervals until stalling? can u restart after a stall?
unlikely to be the ecu map as the older cars actually had quite good maps on them
had a problem on my old '53 Focus TDCi where it would judder in 4th gear as if it was trying to stall itself, turned out to be the flywheel was fractured.
iirc the TDCi has a fly by wire throttle relying on signals from the tps might be worth checking this out as a duff one would give eratic idling :?
unlikely to be the ecu map as the older cars actually had quite good maps on them
had a problem on my old '53 Focus TDCi where it would judder in 4th gear as if it was trying to stall itself, turned out to be the flywheel was fractured.
iirc the TDCi has a fly by wire throttle relying on signals from the tps might be worth checking this out as a duff one would give eratic idling :?
Swarf in the system is indicitive of the wrong fuel having been used in the vehicle at some point in the past causing premature bearing faliure,you need to get it rechecked because if that is indeed the case the fuel system will need to be replaced, at least if you can either confirm or dissprove that it we will have a clearer idea of where you go next.
In Fords defence the types of pumps used are similar to most other large manufacturers and produced by the same companies Lucas,Delphi etc. Faliure rate of the pump itself will be well within industry standards unless faliure is caused by something beyond Fords control like incorrect fuel,low fuel quality etc.
In Fords defence the types of pumps used are similar to most other large manufacturers and produced by the same companies Lucas,Delphi etc. Faliure rate of the pump itself will be well within industry standards unless faliure is caused by something beyond Fords control like incorrect fuel,low fuel quality etc.
Edited by Jon GT2 on Monday 12th November 10:08
Hi, I'm sorry to tell you, but what ford are saying is right. I wouldn't go as far as replacing every fuel componet, but a fuel pump is a start. But I would highly recommended stripping down the fuel system and cleaning the swaf to stop it damaging the new fuel pump. And take it from there.
Problem: Engine does not run properly or fails to start.
Solution: A problem has been identified with the diesel pump and wear to the rollers and shoes. This is caused by insufficient bedding in when the car is new. This can also create small metal particles to contaminate the diesel and damage many components including the injectors. A sample of diesel should be inspected. A new diesel pump with revised rollers and shoes should be fitted along with new injectors and other parts if required.
Problem: Engine does not run properly or fails to start.
Solution: A problem has been identified with the diesel pump and wear to the rollers and shoes. This is caused by insufficient bedding in when the car is new. This can also create small metal particles to contaminate the diesel and damage many components including the injectors. A sample of diesel should be inspected. A new diesel pump with revised rollers and shoes should be fitted along with new injectors and other parts if required.
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