More Hamilton Humility
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http://sport.guardian.co.uk/motorsport/story/0,,22...
"I was disappointed when Schumacher left formula one as it meant I never got the chance to race against him. He was a phenomenal driver. When I joined, Fernando Alonso was the champion and I beat him in a few races. That was a great feeling but I'm sure beating Schumacher would be even better. I would love to race against him, it would be a great challenge and a great test for any driver."
"I was disappointed when Schumacher left formula one as it meant I never got the chance to race against him. He was a phenomenal driver. When I joined, Fernando Alonso was the champion and I beat him in a few races. That was a great feeling but I'm sure beating Schumacher would be even better. I would love to race against him, it would be a great challenge and a great test for any driver."
If a racing driver didn't think that way they would not be a racing driver.
Just to add, - They need a gauge, often the perceived "fastest" to measure themselves against. It's the challenge. Moss was the same, he looked up to Fangio and loved to race against him as it was a measure for how good he was and when he beat him eventually, it was a massive confidence boost to beat the "best".There have been other such rivalries Stewart & Fittipaldi, Hunt & Lauda and many more all competing with respect for each other. It's only in recent years that the rivalries have included hatred, Prost & Senna for example.
Just to add, - They need a gauge, often the perceived "fastest" to measure themselves against. It's the challenge. Moss was the same, he looked up to Fangio and loved to race against him as it was a measure for how good he was and when he beat him eventually, it was a massive confidence boost to beat the "best".There have been other such rivalries Stewart & Fittipaldi, Hunt & Lauda and many more all competing with respect for each other. It's only in recent years that the rivalries have included hatred, Prost & Senna for example.
Ecurie Ecosse said:
http://sport.guardian.co.uk/motorsport/story/0,,22...
"I was disappointed when Schumacher left formula one as it meant I never got the chance to race against him. He was a phenomenal driver. When I joined, Fernando Alonso was the champion and I beat him in a few races. That was a great feeling but I'm sure beating Schumacher would be even better. I would love to race against him, it would be a great challenge and a great test for any driver."
He speaks the truth, that's for sure. A less humble person might compare themselves to Schumacher...they might even suggest that they were better than him. As you say, evidence that the guy is humble - backs up what we've seen on TV in the past few weeks. As I have said before, what came across when I met him last year was that humility and sheer enthusiasm for his job."I was disappointed when Schumacher left formula one as it meant I never got the chance to race against him. He was a phenomenal driver. When I joined, Fernando Alonso was the champion and I beat him in a few races. That was a great feeling but I'm sure beating Schumacher would be even better. I would love to race against him, it would be a great challenge and a great test for any driver."
Thanks for finding the quote
Rons Lad said:
" I would love to race against Schumacher ."
he may get his wishhttp://www.planetf1.com/story/0,18954,3213_2850986...
rubystone said:
Ecurie Ecosse said:
http://sport.guardian.co.uk/motorsport/story/0,,22...
"I was disappointed when Schumacher left formula one as it meant I never got the chance to race against him. He was a phenomenal driver. When I joined, Fernando Alonso was the champion and I beat him in a few races. That was a great feeling but I'm sure beating Schumacher would be even better. I would love to race against him, it would be a great challenge and a great test for any driver."
He speaks the truth, that's for sure. A less humble person might compare themselves to Schumacher...they might even suggest that they were better than him. As you say, evidence that the guy is humble - backs up what we've seen on TV in the past few weeks. As I have said before, what came across when I met him last year was that humility and sheer enthusiasm for his job."I was disappointed when Schumacher left formula one as it meant I never got the chance to race against him. He was a phenomenal driver. When I joined, Fernando Alonso was the champion and I beat him in a few races. That was a great feeling but I'm sure beating Schumacher would be even better. I would love to race against him, it would be a great challenge and a great test for any driver."
Thanks for finding the quote
And that 'in fact' (if you read the text) is a rookie stating that he feels he would beat argueably the best driver F1 has ever known.
Humble? Not IMO.
A more measured statement would have been:-
'As a rookie I beat Aonso on occasion, it would have been great to have put my skills against Schumacher to see if I could potentially be amongst the greats'
I still haven't warmed to Lewis.....and I'm on the record about his 'me and the 'team'' etc etc lasting as long as he has one of the best cars on the grid. If he wasn't a rookie this year Lewis and his dad would have made (again IMO) quite a few McLaren pot shots given the tactics in the latter stages of this season.
spectatorsam said:
also undecided about LH however can't fault him for this one. he wants to beat MS to be able to say he has, not just because it would be a great achievement, but its something that can never be taken away from him if he ever did, thats a personal thing, goals etc
I couldn't agree more.However.
Saying 'I would like to race MS to see if I could beat him'
Is a million miles away from an inferred:-
'I would like to race MS so i could beat him'
No humility in the latter statement I'm afraid.
"I was disappointed when Schumacher left formula one as it meant I never got the chance to race against him. He was a phenomenal driver. When I joined, Fernando Alonso was the champion and I beat him in a few races. That was a great feeling but I'm sure beating Schumacher would be even better. I would love to race against him, it would be a great challenge and a great test for any driver."
jules_s said:
And that 'in fact' (if you read the text) is a rookie stating that he feels he would beat argueably the best driver F1 has ever known.
"if you read the text" - WTF? How can you be so certain he meant that? He's saying it would be a great feeling to beat Schumi. Not that he would for sure.
Maybe you meant "if you read the text and are predisposed to think Hamilton is a big-head"
Ecurie Ecosse said:
http://sport.guardian.co.uk/motorsport/story/0,,22...
"I was disappointed when Schumacher left formula one as it meant I never got the chance to race against him. He was a phenomenal driver. When I joined, Fernando Alonso was the champion and I beat him in a few races. That was a great feeling but I'm sure beating Schumacher would be even better. I would love to race against him, it would be a great challenge and a great test for any driver."
Why do you think schumacher retired!? he never liked competition! if someone was beating him, he would cheat(hill, villineuve, monaco parking)! "I was disappointed when Schumacher left formula one as it meant I never got the chance to race against him. He was a phenomenal driver. When I joined, Fernando Alonso was the champion and I beat him in a few races. That was a great feeling but I'm sure beating Schumacher would be even better. I would love to race against him, it would be a great challenge and a great test for any driver."
it was obvious he knew how good lewis hamilton is, and realised he would never be champion again if he was racing against lewis, so saved himself the effort!
anyway lewis is the best driver right now and may one day become the greatest of all time! we'll just have to wait and see!
Baldylocks said:
"I was disappointed when Schumacher left formula one as it meant I never got the chance to race against him. He was a phenomenal driver. When I joined, Fernando Alonso was the champion and I beat him in a few races. That was a great feeling but I'm sure beating Schumacher would be even better. I would love to race against him, it would be a great challenge and a great test for any driver."
He's saying it would be a great feeling to beat Schumi. Not that he would for sure.
Maybe you meant "if you read the text and are predisposed to think Hamilton is a big-head"
Read the text again....jules_s said:
And that 'in fact' (if you read the text) is a rookie stating that he feels he would beat argueably the best driver F1 has ever known.
"if you read the text" - WTF? How can you be so certain he meant that? He's saying it would be a great feeling to beat Schumi. Not that he would for sure.
Maybe you meant "if you read the text and are predisposed to think Hamilton is a big-head"
[quote]I'm sure beating Schumacher would be even better
Edit....no idea why the quotes have gone amiss there
Edited by jules_s on Tuesday 4th December 22:22
jules_s said:
Thats presumption and arrogance not humility.
Edit....no idea why the quotes have gone amiss there
Sorry, but that is either poor English on your part, or a very warped desire to see the worst. It is like me saying "It would be great to sleep with Kylie". It is a statement of opinion that IF I did, it would be great. That is not saying that I expect to. "Would" can be conditional either on Schumacher being there, or on both conditions (him being there and hamilton being able to beat him). You have decided for yourself that you an see into Hamilton's heart, and know he did not mean the latter.Edit....no idea why the quotes have gone amiss there
Edited by jules_s on Tuesday 4th December 22:22
Posts like yours are really a bit pathetic, twisting Hamilton's words to suit your bizarre agenda.
Edited to say that I see twisting words is your speciality, with you doing it on your last set of posts, where you managed to change "renault loaded the data onto eleven renault computers" into "11 computers with the data on were stolen".
On second thoughts, I probably did you a mis-service there. That looks like comprehension problems more than malice.
Edited by NorthernBoy on Tuesday 4th December 22:30
NorthernBoy said:
jules_s said:
Thats presumption and arrogance not humility.
Edit....no idea why the quotes have gone amiss there
Sorry, but that is either poor English on your part, or a very warped desire to see the worst. It is like me saying "It would be great to sleep with Kylie". It is a statement of opinion that IF I did, it would be great. That is not saying that I expect to. "Would" can be conditional either on Schumacher being there, or on both conditions (him being there and hamilton being able to beat him). You have decided for yourself that you an see into Hamilton's heart, and know he did not mean the latter.Edit....no idea why the quotes have gone amiss there
Edited by jules_s on Tuesday 4th December 22:22
Posts like yours are really a bit pathetic, twisting Hamilton's words to suit your bizarre agenda.
Carry on.
jules_s said:
NorthernBoy said:
jules_s said:
Thats presumption and arrogance not humility.
Edit....no idea why the quotes have gone amiss there
Sorry, but that is either poor English on your part, or a very warped desire to see the worst. It is like me saying "It would be great to sleep with Kylie". It is a statement of opinion that IF I did, it would be great. That is not saying that I expect to. "Would" can be conditional either on Schumacher being there, or on both conditions (him being there and hamilton being able to beat him). You have decided for yourself that you an see into Hamilton's heart, and know he did not mean the latter.Edit....no idea why the quotes have gone amiss there
Edited by jules_s on Tuesday 4th December 22:22
Posts like yours are really a bit pathetic, twisting Hamilton's words to suit your bizarre agenda.
Carry on.
jules_s said:
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I can only laugh at your lack of knowledge to be honest.
Carry on.
What, carry on pointing out that you deliberately twisted his words, or are unable to understand them in the first place?I can only laugh at your lack of knowledge to be honest.
Carry on.
That was sadly a bit of a playground response from you. A bit of an "I know you are, but what am I?"
I would accuse you of sophistry, but your "11 computers" post rather suggests that it has more syllables than you are comfortable with.
Rocky Balboa said:
Ecurie Ecosse said:
http://sport.guardian.co.uk/motorsport/story/0,,22...
"I was disappointed when Schumacher left formula one as it meant I never got the chance to race against him. He was a phenomenal driver. When I joined, Fernando Alonso was the champion and I beat him in a few races. That was a great feeling but I'm sure beating Schumacher would be even better. I would love to race against him, it would be a great challenge and a great test for any driver."
it was obvious he knew how good lewis hamilton is, and realised he would never be champion again if he was racing against lewis, so saved himself the effort!"I was disappointed when Schumacher left formula one as it meant I never got the chance to race against him. He was a phenomenal driver. When I joined, Fernando Alonso was the champion and I beat him in a few races. That was a great feeling but I'm sure beating Schumacher would be even better. I would love to race against him, it would be a great challenge and a great test for any driver."
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Stop it stop it your killing me ....on second thoughts have some more
Hamilton is no Schumey , no Senna , no Lauda ....remember a certain Damon Hill , who came in at the back of the pack in a Brabham because it was a crap car but went on to win the championship in 96 in the best car
If Hamilton started his career in a crap car ....like a Toleman or a Jordan , and showed the true genius as the above drivers ,,,,he would have better gained better respect..
his first season in Arguably the best car / Team .......and he thinks hes in the same vein as a 7 times world champion or a Senna
NOT
good driver yes ..........a Schumey he is not
i don't mean to be funny, but how is this a bad thing? Surely any racing driver would want to race against the supposed best? If he turned around and said 'I really wanna race jason Plato, and theat Chiltern bloke' would you be clapping him, and telling him how down to earth he is? I think not. Some have it in for Lewis, and will take every opportunity to have a go. Funny thing is that it is Lewis who is out in F1, and making all the money, whereas the 'have-a-go' brigade are not...
It seems 'Hamilton Bashing' is slowly becoming a real crime on here... why is everyone so defensive of him? Well... my turn:
He's new on the scene and suddenly treated more like a pop-star than a racing driver. Did anyone else feel sick at his performance whilst presenting JC with the special recognition award at the NTAs? Come on stage, suck up the screaming from all the ladies that know nothing of motorsport for a couple of minutes (not generalising ladies of course, generalising the crowd at the ceremony), and then once it's all died down, ASK THEM HOW THEY'RE DOING with another trademark grin? Who is he - Michael
Jackson?! (cue more screams)...
There's no denying he did a good job this/last year, and it can't be taken away from him. But people (even on this thread) hailing him as the best driver out there!!?? On what basis? He won some races in one of only four competitive cars in total? Chuffing ridiculous if you ask me.
I guess part of my disillusionment comes from his entry into the sport (which I realise has been covered a few times elsewhere), and partly as his success has been blown completely out of proportion (as explained above). He is unique in that he is the first driver to know he is 'destined' for formula 1 from a relatively young age. Being picked up by McLaren and tutored, trained and financed - where other drivers such as Davidson (choosing another Brit who's had very little coverage for example) have had to work their way up the system like everybody else. It's interesting to note that during the early days such as karting Anthony was always MUCH quicker. Obviously it's not Hamilton's fault, and anyone would grab the chance he's been given, I just really think it's time or people to see things in a little perspective.
And back to the original topic, I have it on very good authority that he's a thoroughly nice guy (as is his dad), but why he's so popular to to all who don't know him is beyond me - does no-one else think him ridiculously bland in front of the media? One to many sessions with the team press experts has robbed the poor boy of all personality. I also don't think he's that modest anymore. He may have been early on, but he's starting to get swept up in the lifestyle now: Naomi Cambell, moving abroad etc... he's a star and he knows it - bring on real racers like Kimi and Fernando who avoid the cameras and get on and race.
Rant over. Obviously all just my opinion like...
He's new on the scene and suddenly treated more like a pop-star than a racing driver. Did anyone else feel sick at his performance whilst presenting JC with the special recognition award at the NTAs? Come on stage, suck up the screaming from all the ladies that know nothing of motorsport for a couple of minutes (not generalising ladies of course, generalising the crowd at the ceremony), and then once it's all died down, ASK THEM HOW THEY'RE DOING with another trademark grin? Who is he - Michael
Jackson?! (cue more screams)...There's no denying he did a good job this/last year, and it can't be taken away from him. But people (even on this thread) hailing him as the best driver out there!!?? On what basis? He won some races in one of only four competitive cars in total? Chuffing ridiculous if you ask me.
I guess part of my disillusionment comes from his entry into the sport (which I realise has been covered a few times elsewhere), and partly as his success has been blown completely out of proportion (as explained above). He is unique in that he is the first driver to know he is 'destined' for formula 1 from a relatively young age. Being picked up by McLaren and tutored, trained and financed - where other drivers such as Davidson (choosing another Brit who's had very little coverage for example) have had to work their way up the system like everybody else. It's interesting to note that during the early days such as karting Anthony was always MUCH quicker. Obviously it's not Hamilton's fault, and anyone would grab the chance he's been given, I just really think it's time or people to see things in a little perspective.
And back to the original topic, I have it on very good authority that he's a thoroughly nice guy (as is his dad), but why he's so popular to to all who don't know him is beyond me - does no-one else think him ridiculously bland in front of the media? One to many sessions with the team press experts has robbed the poor boy of all personality. I also don't think he's that modest anymore. He may have been early on, but he's starting to get swept up in the lifestyle now: Naomi Cambell, moving abroad etc... he's a star and he knows it - bring on real racers like Kimi and Fernando who avoid the cameras and get on and race.
Rant over. Obviously all just my opinion like...
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