Late Discovery 2
Discussion
Coming out of a TD4 and thinking about a late TD5 ES to replace it.
Seems that they are really good value compared to the Disco3.
The car will be used for dog/bike hauling around the forest, (cough) school runs, and the occasional long family trips to South of France etc
I know it'll cope easily with the general stuff but will it be refined enough to cope with 8 hour drives on the continent?
Seems that they are really good value compared to the Disco3.
The car will be used for dog/bike hauling around the forest, (cough) school runs, and the occasional long family trips to South of France etc
I know it'll cope easily with the general stuff but will it be refined enough to cope with 8 hour drives on the continent?
I drove my Disco 2 to Venice in July and did it in one hit in just under 15 hours. That included an extra 2 hours when the SatNav decided it wanted to go on B roads as a short cut to Geneva. I was low on gas and it seemed too far to get to a filling station at 3.30 in the morning so I turned back to the motorway.
Anyway, back to my point. It handled the journey with ease and although we were pretty tired when we got to Venice we were not stressed or suffering from backache. It's comfortable and handles very well for a big 4x4. The ACE system makes the handling more like an Elise. Not quite but you get my drift.
Mines a V8 Auto so the oil burner won't be quite as relaxed at 90 leptons but I'm sure it will be OK. You'll probably use less fuel than me so that makes up for the rattles and noise.
To give a comparison I drove my 540 from Venice to Calais in 1 hit last Easter and that took 12 hours. It was better than the Disco overall but not by much.
Anyway, back to my point. It handled the journey with ease and although we were pretty tired when we got to Venice we were not stressed or suffering from backache. It's comfortable and handles very well for a big 4x4. The ACE system makes the handling more like an Elise. Not quite but you get my drift.
Mines a V8 Auto so the oil burner won't be quite as relaxed at 90 leptons but I'm sure it will be OK. You'll probably use less fuel than me so that makes up for the rattles and noise.
To give a comparison I drove my 540 from Venice to Calais in 1 hit last Easter and that took 12 hours. It was better than the Disco overall but not by much.
They are great for long distance driving. Seats and driving position are well suited for an inter-continental trip.
The TD5 is a little slow to respond at high-ish motorway speeds, but still quiet and refined, and fine if you're cruising at a steady speed. The ACE is at its best on fast motorway bends, particularly when you have a lot of gear on board/on the roof.
The TD5 is a little slow to respond at high-ish motorway speeds, but still quiet and refined, and fine if you're cruising at a steady speed. The ACE is at its best on fast motorway bends, particularly when you have a lot of gear on board/on the roof.
thanks - that's precisely that kind of advice I'm looking for
I want the Discovery virtues for the 'rough stuff' all year round but still want a relaxed family car for the long holiday journies.
I've heard good things about ACE and I'm sure even a TD5 will sit at 85 on an autoroute with cruise on.
I want the Discovery virtues for the 'rough stuff' all year round but still want a relaxed family car for the long holiday journies.
I've heard good things about ACE and I'm sure even a TD5 will sit at 85 on an autoroute with cruise on.
alfaspiderman2 said:
thanks - that's precisely that kind of advice I'm looking for
I want the Discovery virtues for the 'rough stuff' all year round but still want a relaxed family car for the long holiday journies.
I've heard good things about ACE and I'm sure even a TD5 will sit at 85 on an autoroute with cruise on.
OOOHHHHH YESSS... Mine lasted 1 month from pdi at the dealer to being booked in to JE for the stage 2 conversion.. it makes a massive difference, just shy of 200bhp now ;-) well worth it, put anyone who drives a std td5 even in the passenger seat and it generally take about 100yds for them to say "Have you had this tweeked" I want the Discovery virtues for the 'rough stuff' all year round but still want a relaxed family car for the long holiday journies.
I've heard good things about ACE and I'm sure even a TD5 will sit at 85 on an autoroute with cruise on.
I've done all of the 60k miles that mines clocked up so far, a lot of it towing, including a 20ft trailer with race car in it across france.. plenty refined enough...
enjoy
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Gazzab said:
Fuel regulators being one example of something that will need attention.
60 quid and three bolts apparently ;-)he says hurridly popping out to check mine.. AFM's are something that can play up ( Bosh and they have problems on VW's and porkers too) again about 60 quid and 3 clips to replace. I have had to replace mine twice, once under warranty.The only other problem I've had with mine was the rear fuel pipes. These were replaced under a recall as there was an abrasion problem. Trouble is when they replaced them they used old stock so replaced like with like, plus fitted them badly, so guess what they abraided, and it started pi$$ing diesel out the back one day... 1 Month out of warranty... LR did say they would probably fix it for free. The cost of parts was about 30 quid, but the potential for a big labour bill was huge so I did it myself.... It was more of a pita on mine as being a commercial it has an extra floor bolted ontop of the main floor. That has to come out before you can get to the access panel, which involved removing the bulkhead as well.. Oh and you still need to drop the tank which means removing the tow bar.....
So in summary I've had my 03 td5 commercial from new in march 03, its done just shy of 60k miles still on its first set of tyres, went to JE for a bigger intercooler and upgraded ECU in may 03. Spends half its time towing, the other time being driven enthusiastically ;-)
manages 25 mpg 90mph+ on the motorway with a roof tent on all the time doesnt help
Problems in that time
1) 2* air flow meter's replaced - starts missing under hard acceleration
2) rear fuel pipes leaked after being badly fitted at recall to stop the same problem
Spec is TD5 no ace but rear air( complete with funky remote to raise and lower)
I ran a TD5 Landmark manual as a company hack for 2 yrs, in which time I put on nearly 80k miles of mostly motorway driving. I regularly do 3-4hr commutes, and the longest trip we did was 7hrs from York down to Carmarthen, which we both found painless. It had most of the refinements, was very comfortable at motorway speeds, and could lope along all day at 80-90 leptons. Downside was the fuel consumption at these speeds... you could watch the tank empty! Also, if you get one with roof bars/top box, it sounds bloody obvious, but take them off if you're not using them as you'll get another 50-100 miles out of the tank!
Things that went wrong? The rear door leaked slightly, so it was re-adjusted (watch out for watermarks on the load cover) and that fixed that. It had problems getting into 1st gear occasionally, which necessitated a new gearbox (they found nothing wrong with 1st, but 3rd was damaged), power died and it felt like you'd hit the rev limiter at various stages of the rev band, so that was a new MAF (like Graham). The clutch master cylinder went but I think that was a result of a clumsy hand when the gearbox being changed. The fuel pipe from the tank to the filter split (sounding familiar?). The fuel tank itself cracked on a seam, and had to be replaced. The tyres lasted at least 55k, and there was approx 4mm left on them when it went back to the lease company.
Obviously, the auto's are slower, more thirsty, but more relaxing. The Landmark spec I had, had most of the toys you'd need; dual zone air con, separate rear audio controls, full leather, autochanger, electric everything and twin sunroofs. The family pack was essentially a LR roof box and an extension to the roof bars - very useful when you've got 7 in the car, or a full load (I think the rear audio controls were part of this, but I don't know for sure). It was also available with heated seats as a no cost option, which would have been the icing on the cake for me. The ACE was an extra, and the car I had didn't have it on. When I enquired about mine, the lease company wanted £10.4k with 93k on the clock, so £15k should get you a very good low miler.
Would I recommend a TD5 as a general car and long-distance cruiser? Yes, definitely... but get a warranty with it.
Would I have one over a Disco 3? My other half would have a Disco 3 in an instant. No discussions. End of story. IMO they are far more luxurious and comfortable (in SE and HSE spec anyway). Fuel economy seemed better, drive was better, it just didn't feel agricultural like mine...
I suppose the question is, it worth an extra 5k+ for a decent spec, probably higher mileage one? And would the scare stories about the electronic parking brake niggle at the back of my mind when ever I was driving at motorway speeds? I just don't know...
Things that went wrong? The rear door leaked slightly, so it was re-adjusted (watch out for watermarks on the load cover) and that fixed that. It had problems getting into 1st gear occasionally, which necessitated a new gearbox (they found nothing wrong with 1st, but 3rd was damaged), power died and it felt like you'd hit the rev limiter at various stages of the rev band, so that was a new MAF (like Graham). The clutch master cylinder went but I think that was a result of a clumsy hand when the gearbox being changed. The fuel pipe from the tank to the filter split (sounding familiar?). The fuel tank itself cracked on a seam, and had to be replaced. The tyres lasted at least 55k, and there was approx 4mm left on them when it went back to the lease company.
Obviously, the auto's are slower, more thirsty, but more relaxing. The Landmark spec I had, had most of the toys you'd need; dual zone air con, separate rear audio controls, full leather, autochanger, electric everything and twin sunroofs. The family pack was essentially a LR roof box and an extension to the roof bars - very useful when you've got 7 in the car, or a full load (I think the rear audio controls were part of this, but I don't know for sure). It was also available with heated seats as a no cost option, which would have been the icing on the cake for me. The ACE was an extra, and the car I had didn't have it on. When I enquired about mine, the lease company wanted £10.4k with 93k on the clock, so £15k should get you a very good low miler.
Would I recommend a TD5 as a general car and long-distance cruiser? Yes, definitely... but get a warranty with it.
Would I have one over a Disco 3? My other half would have a Disco 3 in an instant. No discussions. End of story. IMO they are far more luxurious and comfortable (in SE and HSE spec anyway). Fuel economy seemed better, drive was better, it just didn't feel agricultural like mine...
I suppose the question is, it worth an extra 5k+ for a decent spec, probably higher mileage one? And would the scare stories about the electronic parking brake niggle at the back of my mind when ever I was driving at motorway speeds? I just don't know...
Edited by jep for speeling and granmars on Friday 7th December 13:39
Edited by jep on Friday 7th December 13:40
thanks - some more great feedback
not sure on the Disco 2 vs 3 thing - part of me thinks that I should get the latest version but a)I prefer the looks and image of the 2 and b) you can get a very nice spec/mileage Disco 2 for £15k whereas a similar Disco3 would be £22.5k I'd estimate - a lot of difference
not sure on the Disco 2 vs 3 thing - part of me thinks that I should get the latest version but a)I prefer the looks and image of the 2 and b) you can get a very nice spec/mileage Disco 2 for £15k whereas a similar Disco3 would be £22.5k I'd estimate - a lot of difference
Stick with the Series 2 Td5 - had mine since early 1999 (new) - 160K miles coming up, mix of B roads, Mway and some towing/off road, no problems of any note, 36mpg, tyres last over 60K miles and insurance is good value - must have ACE though. Will sit all day at 95mph in standard tune too.
OscarT
OscarT
I think you may be right.
I was passing a LR dealer yesterday and took the chance to have a good look around a new TDV6.
Very nice for sure, but they had an '04 HSE Manual on the forecourt for £25k.
Given that I want an auto (so assume at least a grand more) that makes an '03 TD5 ES Premium Auto for £15k (of which there are plenty about)look like a bargain IMO.
I was passing a LR dealer yesterday and took the chance to have a good look around a new TDV6.
Very nice for sure, but they had an '04 HSE Manual on the forecourt for £25k.
Given that I want an auto (so assume at least a grand more) that makes an '03 TD5 ES Premium Auto for £15k (of which there are plenty about)look like a bargain IMO.
Bought an 2001 Td5 GS a month or so ago, had a few niggly problems with it (even though it was from a dealer I still fixed it myself!)
Got 90k on it now but had full LR service history till 86k.
I personally went for a manual, though the boxes are renoun for stiff/ crunching changes especially if the wrong oil is in them.
Window regs can be iffy, mine need looking at but with the cold weather I keep them up anyway!
If it doesnt come with cruise control, the Td5 can be fitted in 30mins as all the wiring is there, just buy the switches.
Another trick is blank off the EGR, £7 off ebay, improves performance a little and stops inlet getting clagged up.
Looking at getting mine chipped but havent decided where yet, mine has to be resoldered but post 02 can be reprogrammed using a code inputted using Autologic.
Wish I'd bought one sooner, pickup it replaced was pants compared this for comfort. Mine doesnt have ACE though TBH I dont give it much stick.
Check for leaking sunroofs - discoloured headlining around glass and wet front carpets are a sign.
Got 90k on it now but had full LR service history till 86k.
I personally went for a manual, though the boxes are renoun for stiff/ crunching changes especially if the wrong oil is in them.
Window regs can be iffy, mine need looking at but with the cold weather I keep them up anyway!
If it doesnt come with cruise control, the Td5 can be fitted in 30mins as all the wiring is there, just buy the switches.
Another trick is blank off the EGR, £7 off ebay, improves performance a little and stops inlet getting clagged up.
Looking at getting mine chipped but havent decided where yet, mine has to be resoldered but post 02 can be reprogrammed using a code inputted using Autologic.
Wish I'd bought one sooner, pickup it replaced was pants compared this for comfort. Mine doesnt have ACE though TBH I dont give it much stick.
Check for leaking sunroofs - discoloured headlining around glass and wet front carpets are a sign.
Hi
Useful info above.
Im looking for a reliable cheap 7 seater (3 boys!) and a Disco 2 seems to fit the bill.
I undertsnad the Disco 2 could be unreliable but by the later models LR had ironed out most of the problems.
Any idea roughly when this was?
2000? 2001? 2002?
Adn some adverts say 90K miles "nothing for these engines" should this be believed. And V8 or TD5?
Much appreciated
Useful info above.
Im looking for a reliable cheap 7 seater (3 boys!) and a Disco 2 seems to fit the bill.
I undertsnad the Disco 2 could be unreliable but by the later models LR had ironed out most of the problems.
Any idea roughly when this was?
2000? 2001? 2002?
Adn some adverts say 90K miles "nothing for these engines" should this be believed. And V8 or TD5?
Much appreciated
DONT ASK V8 OR TD5!!!
Go register on landyzone if you are serious about buying one, they are the real anoraks on these motors, I got some good advice from them and every question you can ask has been answered already!
Mine is a 2001 Td5, 90k on the clock. There are problems with any cars, just be careful and take someone who knows about them with you or read up on 'em.
I went for the Diesel mainly for the economy, plus if you want V8 power get it chipped. Once done they can (apparently) keep up with the V8.
Unless you are doing small mileages or have a kings ransom to spend on fuel, I'd go diesel. The V8's are generally cheaper and do sound lovely but I dont really want to hear my money dissapearing!
Obviously go for the newest model you can, and check for service history, there were a few recalls - ACE pipes and fuel pipes to name 2, but there are some good ones out there!
Good Hunting!
Go register on landyzone if you are serious about buying one, they are the real anoraks on these motors, I got some good advice from them and every question you can ask has been answered already!
Mine is a 2001 Td5, 90k on the clock. There are problems with any cars, just be careful and take someone who knows about them with you or read up on 'em.
I went for the Diesel mainly for the economy, plus if you want V8 power get it chipped. Once done they can (apparently) keep up with the V8.
Unless you are doing small mileages or have a kings ransom to spend on fuel, I'd go diesel. The V8's are generally cheaper and do sound lovely but I dont really want to hear my money dissapearing!
Obviously go for the newest model you can, and check for service history, there were a few recalls - ACE pipes and fuel pipes to name 2, but there are some good ones out there!
Good Hunting!
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