tramlining
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clarky5150

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423 posts

283 months

Friday 7th December 2007
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Hi. A friend of mine has recently bought an 05 plate 320 CD with 18 inch alloys. She is concerned about the overly excessive tramlining with the car. It is so bad that it follows the indentations made by heavies in the near side lane on motorways!!
She has had a full geometry alignment, no noticeable difference. Front tyres were recently changed for Avons, no better (rears still running Bridgestones).
Tyres have been run at various pressures but makes little difference. Actually worse with less pressure.
Is there anything else to check before going down the uprated susp/sell the thing route.
I have read that some makes of tyres are better than others. Is this the case??
Thanks in advance.

mogul

15,314 posts

265 months

Friday 7th December 2007
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clarky5150 said:
Hi. A friend of mine has recently bought an 05 plate 320 CD with 18 inch alloys. She is concerned about the overly excessive tramlining with the car. It is so bad that it follows the indentations made by heavies in the near side lane on motorways!!
She has had a full geometry alignment, no noticeable difference. Front tyres were recently changed for Avons, no better (rears still running Bridgestones).
Tyres have been run at various pressures but makes little difference. Actually worse with less pressure.
Is there anything else to check before going down the uprated susp/sell the thing route.
I have read that some makes of tyres are better than others. Is this the case??
Thanks in advance.
Perhaps she should drive in the middle lane?

I would suggest most cars will tramline in the inside lane!

clarky5150

Original Poster:

423 posts

283 months

Friday 7th December 2007
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Thanks for your swift reply however she is no stranger to cars, performance or otherwise and neither am i. The beemer is far worse than my 996 GT3 and worse than her old Audi TT (with 18 inch option).
Basically it follows every undulation/contour in the road.

Romanymagic

3,298 posts

234 months

Friday 7th December 2007
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Could be sensitivity to the/from the steering. My Z4 tramlines in the nearside lane (i.e. large section of the A2, A20, M25 and M23 (talk about stuck in a rut smile )).

I have owned other cars that have had the same effect, so could be driver related rather than car related although you mention no previous issues with the "nearside lane".

If you could get access to a similar car (for comparison purposes, then that would be ideal, but I guess probably not viable).

clarky5150

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423 posts

283 months

Friday 7th December 2007
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Ok, just to clear this up. It is not specifically a near side lane oproblem. I used this as an example. It tramlines on any surface. Thanks for the responses so far.

b11ocx

239 posts

279 months

Friday 7th December 2007
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Using tyres with less sidewall re-enforcement will help alot. Having run-flats (heavy re-enforcement)on the back and standard tyres on the front will make things worse rather than better... the car will effectivly being steered from the back in ruts.




Romanymagic

3,298 posts

234 months

Friday 7th December 2007
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b11ocx said:
Using tyres with less sidewall re-enforcement will help alot. Having run-flats (heavy re-enforcement)on the back and standard tyres on the front will make things worse rather than better... the car will effectivly being steered from the back in ruts.
yes

I went from Bridgestone Potenza's (run flats) to Goodyear F1's, a world of difference on every level and not just tramlining, but handling, ride comfort and general grip, only downside is they are slightly soft tyre and tend to wear quickly.

belleair302

6,976 posts

222 months

Friday 7th December 2007
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Bushes in the upper suspension link arms, maybe worn, maybe split. I would hoist the car up at a specialists and have a look at all of the front steering and suspension mounts, bushes, links and associated hardwear.

Olf

11,974 posts

233 months

Friday 7th December 2007
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E46 on 18" wheels tramline. I don't think there's much more to say on that one.

davidd

6,577 posts

299 months

Saturday 8th December 2007
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Olf said:
E46 on 18" wheels tramline. I don't think there's much more to say on that one.
I agree, when I picked up my 320cd it was something that I noticed, it seemed to pull tpo the right, or the left smile Anyway I had it checked out everything was aligned properly. So I got the head of mendiong stuff form the dealer a nice chap who had been there for ages who said that as it was normal and due the the sporty nature of the suspension, he then said that as this was probably the first sporty car I had ever driven then I would notice it more than most..

I pointed at my cerbera...... (which tramlined like a bas***d until I changed the shocks).

He said, ahh well they all do that..

I must say I notice it a lot less now, I guess I'm just used to it.

Speaking about tyre pressure, it they have an extra psi in them or so the mpg is much better, I saw 55 the other day..

D

clarky5150

Original Poster:

423 posts

283 months

Saturday 8th December 2007
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Thanks for all the speedy replies.
Cerbera, mmm nice wheels!
Had an early clatter cam 4.2 years ago, halcyon atlantis/cream leather. Joolz at Joospeed was literally just opening and i was one of his first customers (and now friend. How are ya mate if you are reading).
De-catted and tinkered with it was to this day THE scariest beat ive ever owned.
Sorry for off topic but if you beemer boys are hankering after an M3, buy a 320 coupe and throw the rest at a Cerb (stick the other 15k in the bank). Money well spent IMHO. Dont forget your industrial size tube of araldite.

CommanderJameson

22,096 posts

241 months

Saturday 8th December 2007
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My little E36 318ti used to tramline. The E39 528i doesn't. Similar size wheels on both.

The E36 had stiffer suspension.

mateus

272 posts

214 months

Saturday 8th December 2007
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Drives a BM everyone thinks we drive in the middle lane anyhow so drive in the middle. Save your tyres and hack of some of the people in lesser cars.

MM that should start a raft of abuse........again.

Donut

4,521 posts

266 months

Saturday 8th December 2007
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mateus said:
Drives a BM everyone thinks we drive in the middle lane anyhow so drive in the middle. Save your tyres and hack of some of the people in lesser cars.

MM that should start a raft of abuse........again.
and remember...

DON'T INDICATE!!!



hehe

b11ocx

239 posts

279 months

Saturday 8th December 2007
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clarky5150 said:
Thanks for all the speedy replies.
Cerbera, mmm nice wheels!
Had an early clatter cam 4.2 years ago, halcyon atlantis/cream leather. Joolz at Joospeed was literally just opening and i was one of his first customers (and now friend. How are ya mate if you are reading).
De-catted and tinkered with it was to this day THE scariest beat ive ever owned.
Sorry for off topic but if you beemer boys are hankering after an M3, buy a 320 coupe and throw the rest at a Cerb (stick the other 15k in the bank). Money well spent IMHO. Dont forget your industrial size tube of araldite.
And I was one of Joolz's first customers as well with a Black Cerbie, then a Red Tuscan.

clarky5150

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423 posts

283 months

Sunday 9th December 2007
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I seem to recall your Cerbera was a well sorted beast with great horsepower but the tuscan was a tad unreliable. I was the friend/nutter who bought Joolz' old 3000M...Happy days.

bigbrew

3 posts

208 months

Sunday 30th March 2008
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My wife drives a 55 plate 320cd se. She does a weekly 600 mile commute so we went for the se and not an m sport....Hence it's on 16's.

It tramlines like nothing I've ever driven before, and I'm comparing it to 2 Audi 100's, 2 A6's, an Astramax van, a combo van, a Mk4 and a Mk5 Astravan. Admittedly it is the only rwd car I've experienced.

It's still got the original Pilot's on the front, although I'll maybe try a swp with the Premium Contact 2's from the back as a comparison.

Neil.D

2,878 posts

221 months

Monday 31st March 2008
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I was going to suggest getting rid of the run flats.
Directional tyres (like pilot sports) can exacerbate tramlining.
Larger wheels can do it to.

anonymous-user

69 months

Monday 31st March 2008
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3 words, BUSHES BUSHES and BUSHES!!!!


get the front wishbone rear bushes changed asap, any E46 with over 50k miles i guarentee they will be knackered!!

on my 3rd set on my sport tourer, getting them changed sorts out the tramlining for about 6 months, then it's back!

crolandc

290 posts

211 months

Monday 31st March 2008
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bigbrew said:
My wife drives a 55 plate 320cd se. She does a weekly 600 mile commute so we went for the se and not an m sport....Hence it's on 16's.

It tramlines like nothing I've ever driven before, and I'm comparing it to 2 Audi 100's, 2 A6's, an Astramax van, a combo van, a Mk4 and a Mk5 Astravan. Admittedly it is the only rwd car I've experienced.

It's still got the original Pilot's on the front, although I'll maybe try a swp with the Premium Contact 2's from the back as a comparison.
I have said same thing to my mates (it is the worst car for tramlining that i have ever driven)mine is
2003 320d with 17s, Ive owned over 50 and driven probably thousands ( was mechanic )the conclusion ive
come to after changeing all rubbers and balljoints, tyres and alignment adjustment is that i must live
with it!!These cars have 3 major faults (swirl flaps, turbos and steering (tramlining).