does anybody believe this dude!!!!
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kylemrushall
213 posts
8 months
[report] 18:04
racingsnake said:
I was two up at the track all day the other week.
There are a few 911 porsches and an Ultima owner that can vouch my BEC is anything but slow two up!
All these drag racing figures are missing the point too, it's how the low weight allows you to carry corner speed and having less mometum to change direction.
If I was after 1/4 mile times I would buy a Corvette and some nitrous!
My reply.....
ok, the Ultima owner must have been running his engine in, that is the only way you would of got anywhere near him!!! and 2 up?? i think you are mistaken. Have you seen the top gear test track results
the best bec 1.17.8 with a turbo charged busa one up 340bhp
the Ultima one up 1.12.8 in factory spec
what colour was the Ultima? was it yellow and green? or black, what track was it?
footnote,
he also thinks his fireblade fury will do 0-60 in 3.5 secs and 0-100 in 9 secs????? yeah whatever!!!!
213 posts
8 months
[report] 18:04
racingsnake said:
I was two up at the track all day the other week.
There are a few 911 porsches and an Ultima owner that can vouch my BEC is anything but slow two up!
All these drag racing figures are missing the point too, it's how the low weight allows you to carry corner speed and having less mometum to change direction.
If I was after 1/4 mile times I would buy a Corvette and some nitrous!
My reply.....
ok, the Ultima owner must have been running his engine in, that is the only way you would of got anywhere near him!!! and 2 up?? i think you are mistaken. Have you seen the top gear test track results
the best bec 1.17.8 with a turbo charged busa one up 340bhp
the Ultima one up 1.12.8 in factory spec
what colour was the Ultima? was it yellow and green? or black, what track was it?
footnote,
he also thinks his fireblade fury will do 0-60 in 3.5 secs and 0-100 in 9 secs????? yeah whatever!!!!
Yep I beleive him completely, I had a BEC catch up with me on a track (donnington) and I let him past. I do admit I could easily have blasted back past him on the straight and if I had not let him by he would have remained behind but he was catching me on the brakes and in the corners.... In the same session I did exactly the same with another Ultima with 100bhp less than mine being driven by a guy called Ted, and that car dissapeared a lot quicker than the BEC.
I could have been an arse and kept them both behind, but the fact is I was only at probably 70% in the corners (making the exits slower as well) and would have resulted in them eventually taking a lunge under brakeing.
There was a very good reason for me being extra slow in the corners as I had screwed myself to the wall to afford the car and it wasn't insured for track use... I have also rolled a car once on track when the brakes failed without warning at the end of Croft straight and totally destroyed the car which also wasn't insured for track so cost me a fortune to rebuild.
So I guess what I am saying is that many people do not drive at 100% on track days and catching a car does not really mean anything.
I could have been an arse and kept them both behind, but the fact is I was only at probably 70% in the corners (making the exits slower as well) and would have resulted in them eventually taking a lunge under brakeing.
There was a very good reason for me being extra slow in the corners as I had screwed myself to the wall to afford the car and it wasn't insured for track use... I have also rolled a car once on track when the brakes failed without warning at the end of Croft straight and totally destroyed the car which also wasn't insured for track so cost me a fortune to rebuild.
So I guess what I am saying is that many people do not drive at 100% on track days and catching a car does not really mean anything.
Guys i,ve driven a hyabusa westfield and they are quick but not ultima quick !!!! while they develop alot of bhp my toaster develops more torque !!!! and a ultima on song will eat it alive its massive torque great aero package a shit loads of grip just make it sooooo much quicker!and the brakes on a ultima just rock ,i had a close shave last year were a guy in a tiger(lotus 7 type) very nearly stuffed me up the exhaust pipes because he just could not stop !!! and he was on AP'S and only weighed 700kg !!!
Hi Kyle,
I used to race Radicals and I can assure you that they will run rings around an Ultima on the bends, but on the straights the Ultima will leave them standing after around 60mph.
The latest V8 Radicals are seriously quick and would possibly give a 400-500bhp Ultima a good run.
My Radical was a 140bhp model but it only weighed 480kg, had slicks and a ground clearence of 20mm. Around Brands Hatch we were testing with the boys from the Porsche Cup and Ferrari Challenge. These were seriously quick machines, but we were lapping them by over 2 seconds per lap!!
Cheers,
Martin.
I used to race Radicals and I can assure you that they will run rings around an Ultima on the bends, but on the straights the Ultima will leave them standing after around 60mph.
The latest V8 Radicals are seriously quick and would possibly give a 400-500bhp Ultima a good run.
My Radical was a 140bhp model but it only weighed 480kg, had slicks and a ground clearence of 20mm. Around Brands Hatch we were testing with the boys from the Porsche Cup and Ferrari Challenge. These were seriously quick machines, but we were lapping them by over 2 seconds per lap!!
Cheers,
Martin.
Kyle I saw your post on the other thread I will post my reply on here..
Ive had a good dingdongs and passed a couple of ultimas on circuit in my old 1300 cc 175bhp hayabusa powered westy , (cant comment on how well the ultimas were driven mind) but I could easily outbrake and get in and out the corners quicker and as I could I could hold on down the straights, I would imagine side by side I wouldnt get near them, but carrying aditional corner speed makes up the difference.
from what Ive seen weight is a killer on lap times when on track. its staggering how late a sub 500kg can brake on sticky rubber. my latest busa westy isnt standard and has circa 500bhp per ton so off the line and through the pegs its very lively but as with most 7 shaped cars , I wouldnt expect to get near something like an ultima above 100mph as aerodynamics take over and they are like a flying brick ! but luckily most circuits are twisty enough for a light car to carry the speed through the corners and even if they loose out down the straights to a quicker car they can get it back under braking thus lapping quicker ..
take a look at some of the lap times on uk circuits of 1300cc crossflow powered locosts, cost buttons have very little power yet they will shame a lot of exotic machinery!
Ps. I Have to say the Ultima that did the top gear track was something else and that truly defies the laws of physics !
Ive had a good dingdongs and passed a couple of ultimas on circuit in my old 1300 cc 175bhp hayabusa powered westy , (cant comment on how well the ultimas were driven mind) but I could easily outbrake and get in and out the corners quicker and as I could I could hold on down the straights, I would imagine side by side I wouldnt get near them, but carrying aditional corner speed makes up the difference.
from what Ive seen weight is a killer on lap times when on track. its staggering how late a sub 500kg can brake on sticky rubber. my latest busa westy isnt standard and has circa 500bhp per ton so off the line and through the pegs its very lively but as with most 7 shaped cars , I wouldnt expect to get near something like an ultima above 100mph as aerodynamics take over and they are like a flying brick ! but luckily most circuits are twisty enough for a light car to carry the speed through the corners and even if they loose out down the straights to a quicker car they can get it back under braking thus lapping quicker ..
take a look at some of the lap times on uk circuits of 1300cc crossflow powered locosts, cost buttons have very little power yet they will shame a lot of exotic machinery!
Ps. I Have to say the Ultima that did the top gear track was something else and that truly defies the laws of physics !
martinlaw said:
Hi Kyle,
I used to race Radicals and I can assure you that they will run rings around an Ultima on the bends, but on the straights the Ultima will leave them standing after around 60mph.
The latest V8 Radicals are seriously quick and would possibly give a 400-500bhp Ultima a good run.
My Radical was a 140bhp model but it only weighed 480kg, had slicks and a ground clearence of 20mm. Around Brands Hatch we were testing with the boys from the Porsche Cup and Ferrari Challenge. These were seriously quick machines, but we were lapping them by over 2 seconds per lap!!
Cheers,
Martin.
Hi MartinI used to race Radicals and I can assure you that they will run rings around an Ultima on the bends, but on the straights the Ultima will leave them standing after around 60mph.
The latest V8 Radicals are seriously quick and would possibly give a 400-500bhp Ultima a good run.
My Radical was a 140bhp model but it only weighed 480kg, had slicks and a ground clearence of 20mm. Around Brands Hatch we were testing with the boys from the Porsche Cup and Ferrari Challenge. These were seriously quick machines, but we were lapping them by over 2 seconds per lap!!
Cheers,
Martin.
The post was about a 2 up fireblade fury blowing off an Ultima and to be honest any well driven Ultima whatever the power(350 bhp) will destroy the aformentioned bec.
I know Radicals are quick but if you track setup an Ultima the radical will be destroyed with a good driver (Ted) as demonstated by the 720 bhp factory car on the TG track.
That's a very sweeping statement Kyle about Radicals. Bear in mind they hold the current 'Ring record - unofficially at least. I doubt very much an Ultima will destroy a 6.55 lap time at the Ring.
I think 250hp SR4s can lap Donington around the 1.10 mark - that is seriously quick. But they should be quick - that's all they're designed to do.
I think 250hp SR4s can lap Donington around the 1.10 mark - that is seriously quick. But they should be quick - that's all they're designed to do.
deadscoob said:
That's a very sweeping statement Kyle about Radicals. Bear in mind they hold the current 'Ring record - unofficially at least. I doubt very much an Ultima will destroy a 6.55 lap time at the Ring.
I think 250hp SR4s can lap Donington around the 1.10 mark - that is seriously quick. But they should be quick - that's all they're designed to do.
aye and the 720bhp factort demo would unofficially beat it!!! did you see it go round the tg track?? it was only 1.5secs behind that caparo thingy which is a F1 car in drag and over 7 secs faster than the Enzo .I think 250hp SR4s can lap Donington around the 1.10 mark - that is seriously quick. But they should be quick - that's all they're designed to do.
Hi guys, just noticed Kyle had come looking for reinforcements here lol.
Just to illuminate my original comment cos Kyle was getting his knickers in a right twist here.
I don't reckon my little Furyblade will "blow away" a well driven 6.3lt Ultima that is not what I said.
If you read my comment, what i said is one owner can "vouch my car is not slow two up" as I managed to pass one the other week at Oulton Park.
For all I know it was running badly, running in or being used as a shakedown, I simply wanted to make the point my cars not slow two up as he claimed.
Were all enthusiasts don't know why people get so wound up.
Your replies seem to reinforce my point though ta guys.
Just to illuminate my original comment cos Kyle was getting his knickers in a right twist here.
I don't reckon my little Furyblade will "blow away" a well driven 6.3lt Ultima that is not what I said.
If you read my comment, what i said is one owner can "vouch my car is not slow two up" as I managed to pass one the other week at Oulton Park.
For all I know it was running badly, running in or being used as a shakedown, I simply wanted to make the point my cars not slow two up as he claimed.
Were all enthusiasts don't know why people get so wound up.
Your replies seem to reinforce my point though ta guys.
TuxMan said:
Guys i,ve driven a hyabusa westfield and they are quick but not ultima quick !!!! while they develop alot of bhp my toaster develops more torque !!!! and a ultima on song will eat it alive its massive torque great aero package a shit loads of grip just make it sooooo much quicker!and the brakes on a ultima just rock ,i had a close shave last year were a guy in a tiger(lotus 7 type) very nearly stuffed me up the exhaust pipes because he just could not stop !!! and he was on AP'S and only weighed 700kg !!!
does this one back you up??the same as your car does 0-60 in 3.5 secs!!! wot a load of Bo**ocks.
all i read about from you bec boys is how fast you are, yeah whatever
the ultimate test of performance is reckoned to be 0-100-0, i suppose you would win that too??
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