Should PH take part in Britcar?
Discussion
Evening all,
This conversation started the Top Gear thread so i thought i would continue here as it would be more appropriate.
http://www.pistonheads.com/xforums/topic.asp?h=0&a...
If we all put in some money each we could take part in Britcar say, in a few years time?
Now obvoiusly we are going to have a few problems on deciding what car to take and why, we are definitely not taking a BMW 330D and adding splitters and a large spoiler.
Firstly, lets decide on the car
Kind Regards
Big Chris
This conversation started the Top Gear thread so i thought i would continue here as it would be more appropriate.
http://www.pistonheads.com/xforums/topic.asp?h=0&a...
If we all put in some money each we could take part in Britcar say, in a few years time?
Now obvoiusly we are going to have a few problems on deciding what car to take and why, we are definitely not taking a BMW 330D and adding splitters and a large spoiler.
Firstly, lets decide on the car
Kind Regards
Big Chris
Edited by SpeedyGonzales on Monday 10th December 21:09
Edited by SpeedyGonzales on Monday 10th December 21:13
Mercedes W126 560SEL.
Probably the worst idea for a race car in the world, but we'd be comfy and quick-ish wafting around in one of them for 24 hours.
Paint it NATO green, stick some PH logos on it, run it on matt black steelies and we'd have no problems forcing our way through the field.
Probably the worst idea for a race car in the world, but we'd be comfy and quick-ish wafting around in one of them for 24 hours.
Paint it NATO green, stick some PH logos on it, run it on matt black steelies and we'd have no problems forcing our way through the field.
Mk2 MR2 running a supercharged v6 camry engine through an MR2 turbo gearbox. Quick, comfy, reliable, race modifications easily available off the shelf although engine tuning is not so much, however that particular engine is very unstressed and people are currently experimenting with it. I think for the purposes of this race it is worth the extra 200kg to use a mk2 chassis as opposed to a mk1 for the longer wheelbase which should make it a bit less skittish, as well as being better for the driver's comfort with more room in the cabin for the cage.
Transfered across from the Top Gear thread;
Its got to be a MX-5
1.) Donor car would be cheap.
2.) Parts would be cheap.
3.) Converting it to racing spec. would be cheap and relatively easy without getting into stupid costs to be competitive. (compared to an Elise for instance.)
4.) Because its a PH legend!
I'm no race preparer but I'm guessing you make sure the engines okay, maybe exhaust and airfilter it, don't muck about with heads but maybe dry sump it, bigger cooling fan, better radiator. The thing would be not huge power it would be staying out of the pits and lapping reliably and consistently. The biggest brakes you can find, plus the grippest tyres. Adjustable dampers, do the springs and anti roll bars, strut brace front and rear, bigger fuel tank (maybe just extend the existing one.), cage & extingushers, racing seat and harnesses, maybe a bit of data logging (not all singing and dancing.) and rip the crap out of it to get rid of as much weight as possible.
not that I've already thought about doing this or anything...
The only drawback would be if you did have a smash as the only panels you could really do properly in the pits would be bonnet, lights, boot and bumpers.Then all you would need would be 5 of PHs finest to drive and about, I don't know maybe 30 to help out?
To pay for it, work out the budget, get Autocar to stump up a bit and then get all PHs to pay maybe £100 to get their names on the car a la Red Bull this year.
I reckon we could do this.
Its got to be a MX-5
1.) Donor car would be cheap.
2.) Parts would be cheap.
3.) Converting it to racing spec. would be cheap and relatively easy without getting into stupid costs to be competitive. (compared to an Elise for instance.)
4.) Because its a PH legend!
I'm no race preparer but I'm guessing you make sure the engines okay, maybe exhaust and airfilter it, don't muck about with heads but maybe dry sump it, bigger cooling fan, better radiator. The thing would be not huge power it would be staying out of the pits and lapping reliably and consistently. The biggest brakes you can find, plus the grippest tyres. Adjustable dampers, do the springs and anti roll bars, strut brace front and rear, bigger fuel tank (maybe just extend the existing one.), cage & extingushers, racing seat and harnesses, maybe a bit of data logging (not all singing and dancing.) and rip the crap out of it to get rid of as much weight as possible.
not that I've already thought about doing this or anything...
The only drawback would be if you did have a smash as the only panels you could really do properly in the pits would be bonnet, lights, boot and bumpers.Then all you would need would be 5 of PHs finest to drive and about, I don't know maybe 30 to help out?
To pay for it, work out the budget, get Autocar to stump up a bit and then get all PHs to pay maybe £100 to get their names on the car a la Red Bull this year.
I reckon we could do this.
bargain basement your looking at a 20k budget to run plus the car !!! And dont underestimate how hard it is to get a car to run for 1 hour full chat on a track never mind 24hr..
Im def up for it though I'm already looking at how to finance a drive for next year, my budget for the last one evaporated when my throttle jammed at Cadwell, and the resultant trip through the tyre wall
As for what car, well for me it has to be front engine/ rearwheel drive... mm how about a sag
Im def up for it though I'm already looking at how to finance a drive for next year, my budget for the last one evaporated when my throttle jammed at Cadwell, and the resultant trip through the tyre wall
As for what car, well for me it has to be front engine/ rearwheel drive... mm how about a sag
Graham said:
bargain basement your looking at a 20k budget to run plus the car !!! And dont underestimate how hard it is to get a car to run for 1 hour full chat on a track never mind 24hr..
Im def up for it though I'm already looking at how to finance a drive for next year, my budget for the last one evaporated when my throttle jammed at Cadwell, and the resultant trip through the tyre wall
As for what car, well for me it has to be front engine/ rearwheel drive... mm how about a sag
would they let a Sag in? and would you trust the s6.. or go with a a modified sag body on the tuscan chassis like some of you guys are using in the challenge?Im def up for it though I'm already looking at how to finance a drive for next year, my budget for the last one evaporated when my throttle jammed at Cadwell, and the resultant trip through the tyre wall
As for what car, well for me it has to be front engine/ rearwheel drive... mm how about a sag
The Hypno-Toad said:
3.) Converting it to racing spec. would be cheap and relatively easy without getting into stupid costs to be competitive. (compared to an Elise for instance.)
You could just buy a MX-5 cup race car and some slick tyres. It'd be cheaper.I don't know where you'd put the long range tank though.
Sod the Britcar, I reckon we should see about organising some kind of bargain barge championship!
Classes for £0-£1k, £1k-5k, and so on. Standard engine, standard suspension, and OE wheels. (Although swapping metric for an equivalent imperial size would be allowable.)
No interior stripping allowed, barring what needs to be added cage-wise for safety.
Gentlemen, on your marks, ready, set, waft!
Classes for £0-£1k, £1k-5k, and so on. Standard engine, standard suspension, and OE wheels. (Although swapping metric for an equivalent imperial size would be allowable.)
No interior stripping allowed, barring what needs to be added cage-wise for safety.
Gentlemen, on your marks, ready, set, waft!
Also, race photos would look *really* fast, what with all the body roll and flying hubcaps...
PetrolTed said:
mmm-five said:
How about buying one of the 24hr 2CV cars - should be cheap to buy, run, and it'll probably win a class of it's own.
I was offered one this evening funnily enough.
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