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Im currently negotiating with Race Technology ( the manufacurers) at the moment. As soon as the regs are confirmed and I have numbers of who needs what we can firm up the cost.
The opening offer is 10% discount on anything we order ( dl1, dash, sensors and accessories) as long as its done in a group buy. Plus they will also be supporting the Series with training for the guy doing the analysis and backup / support for him. i.e. if we have some contentious data they will ana
I admit these things are not cheap but they are simpler cheaper than some of the other alternatives. They also provide a lot more useful information to the team. One of the things im hoping the data guy will do is help show people how to analyse the data as well as just using it to police the p/w figures.. Quite a few of the ex tvrcc challenge guys still have them from when we used them there and have continued to use them for data, after we stopped using them for p/w
They are also the same system that Britcar is using so we're in good company.
cheers
G
The opening offer is 10% discount on anything we order ( dl1, dash, sensors and accessories) as long as its done in a group buy. Plus they will also be supporting the Series with training for the guy doing the analysis and backup / support for him. i.e. if we have some contentious data they will ana
I admit these things are not cheap but they are simpler cheaper than some of the other alternatives. They also provide a lot more useful information to the team. One of the things im hoping the data guy will do is help show people how to analyse the data as well as just using it to police the p/w figures.. Quite a few of the ex tvrcc challenge guys still have them from when we used them there and have continued to use them for data, after we stopped using them for p/w
They are also the same system that Britcar is using so we're in good company.
cheers
G
TVRleigh_BBWR said:
That's not a great discount, seeing as they are giving 20% if you buy the dash and DL1 together via Ebay.
So would play hard ball with them.
That's a point, there was someone offering the combined package for £800. Now you mention it they were Nottingham based, but not a sell recognisable as RT.So would play hard ball with them.
Regards
Iain
This is a kick in the nads for me tbh when I'm trying my best to complete the car to run in class B (RV8) without any sponsorship finances etc. etc.
Is there an option to have a rolling road session prove the power or any other alternatives ? It would be a bit rubbish to have to default to class A.
Richard
Is there an option to have a rolling road session prove the power or any other alternatives ? It would be a bit rubbish to have to default to class A.
Richard
Tuscan_No27 said:
This is a kick in the nads for me tbh when I'm trying my best to complete the car to run in class B (RV8) without any sponsorship finances etc. etc.
Is there an option to have a rolling road session prove the power or any other alternatives ? It would be a bit rubbish to have to default to class A.
Richard
As far as I know RV8 in class B, you don't need a logger, but at < £500 with discount its not a great deal, plus will give you a lot of info you can use, to improve your times. so its not just a there to inforce the rules.Is there an option to have a rolling road session prove the power or any other alternatives ? It would be a bit rubbish to have to default to class A.
Richard
Class B is upto 300BHP per ton ATW, and can't see a RV8 getting more than that.
I'm sure G, will be about soon to give you the right answer.
Leigh.
Edited by TVRleigh_BBWR on Friday 4th January 19:35
TVRleigh_BBWR said:
Tuscan_No27 said:
This is a kick in the nads for me tbh when I'm trying my best to complete the car to run in class B (RV8) without any sponsorship finances etc. etc.
Is there an option to have a rolling road session prove the power or any other alternatives ? It would be a bit rubbish to have to default to class A.
Richard
As far as I know RV8 in class B, you don't need a logger, but at < £500 with discount its not a great deal, plus will give you a lot of info you can use, to improve your times. so its not just a there to inforce the rules.Is there an option to have a rolling road session prove the power or any other alternatives ? It would be a bit rubbish to have to default to class A.
Richard
Class B is upto 350BHP per ton ATW, and can't see a RV8 getting more than that.
I'm sure G, will be about soon to give you the right answer.
Leigh.
As said im 90% sure your not going to need it.
But as far as I've worked out its going to cost about £1000 a weekend, inc tyres, entry, travel petrol etc. so a min of £7k for the champ. so £500 is not a masive amount.
But I'm also on a very tight budget. should have my car sponsored by ebay, with the amount of bits of the car I got on there, at 1/2 - 1/3 of the price of new stuff. but I think it one thing that's worth the money. I would prefer to do 6 races with than 7 without.
But as far as I've worked out its going to cost about £1000 a weekend, inc tyres, entry, travel petrol etc. so a min of £7k for the champ. so £500 is not a masive amount.
But I'm also on a very tight budget. should have my car sponsored by ebay, with the amount of bits of the car I got on there, at 1/2 - 1/3 of the price of new stuff. but I think it one thing that's worth the money. I would prefer to do 6 races with than 7 without.
Hi Richard,
To run in class B you will need a DL1 logger in your car (unless it's under 4litres) The race Tuscans are the lightest cars running in B so even with a moderately tuned RV8 they are knocking on the door of 300bhp/tonne ATW. Although a logger may seem a lot of money to comply with regs it is in fact much more than that. As a data analysis tool loggers provide valuable info on the performance of both you and your car. I reckon a logger purchase is possibly one of the better ways of spending £500 in racing. A set of slicks is going to cost over £800.
ceejay
To run in class B you will need a DL1 logger in your car (unless it's under 4litres) The race Tuscans are the lightest cars running in B so even with a moderately tuned RV8 they are knocking on the door of 300bhp/tonne ATW. Although a logger may seem a lot of money to comply with regs it is in fact much more than that. As a data analysis tool loggers provide valuable info on the performance of both you and your car. I reckon a logger purchase is possibly one of the better ways of spending £500 in racing. A set of slicks is going to cost over £800.
ceejay
Edited by ceejay on Friday 4th January 19:45
ceejay said:
Hi Richard,
To run in class B you will need a DL1 logger in your car (unless it's under 4litres) The race Tuscans are the lightest cars running in B so even with a moderately tuned RV8 they are knocking on the door of 300bhp/tonne ATW. Although a logger may seem a lot of money to comply with regs it is in fact much more than that. As a data analysis tool loggers provide valuable info on the performance of both you and your car. I reckon a logger purchase is possibly one of the better ways of spending £500 in racing. A set of slicks is going to cost over £800.
ceejay
I agree entirely that the device is useful. I was just hoping there might be a cheaper alternative but it seem there isn't.To run in class B you will need a DL1 logger in your car (unless it's under 4litres) The race Tuscans are the lightest cars running in B so even with a moderately tuned RV8 they are knocking on the door of 300bhp/tonne ATW. Although a logger may seem a lot of money to comply with regs it is in fact much more than that. As a data analysis tool loggers provide valuable info on the performance of both you and your car. I reckon a logger purchase is possibly one of the better ways of spending £500 in racing. A set of slicks is going to cost over £800.
ceejay
Edited by ceejay on Friday 4th January 19:45
Some of your running costs are giving me that sinking feeling chaps.... time to recalibrate my expectations I think.
Tuscan_No27 said:
ceejay said:
Hi Richard,
To run in class B you will need a DL1 logger in your car (unless it's under 4litres) The race Tuscans are the lightest cars running in B so even with a moderately tuned RV8 they are knocking on the door of 300bhp/tonne ATW. Although a logger may seem a lot of money to comply with regs it is in fact much more than that. As a data analysis tool loggers provide valuable info on the performance of both you and your car. I reckon a logger purchase is possibly one of the better ways of spending £500 in racing. A set of slicks is going to cost over £800.
ceejay
I agree entirely that the device is useful. I was just hoping there might be a cheaper alternative but it seem there isn't.To run in class B you will need a DL1 logger in your car (unless it's under 4litres) The race Tuscans are the lightest cars running in B so even with a moderately tuned RV8 they are knocking on the door of 300bhp/tonne ATW. Although a logger may seem a lot of money to comply with regs it is in fact much more than that. As a data analysis tool loggers provide valuable info on the performance of both you and your car. I reckon a logger purchase is possibly one of the better ways of spending £500 in racing. A set of slicks is going to cost over £800.
ceejay
Edited by ceejay on Friday 4th January 19:45
Some of your running costs are giving me that sinking feeling chaps.... time to recalibrate my expectations I think.
Don't forget the race clothing as that going to cost £700-£1000 if you don't have any.
Guys - unless you are running the very soft compound slicks that we used up until 2004, you will easily get 4 race weekends out of a set of slicks and quite possibly more. This of course depends on not flat spotting them or sustaining damage/punctures
I would say though that you need to budget at least a thousand pounds as contingency whatever you run. If you don't have that then it doesn't stop you racing, but if you don't and you break a gearbox, suffer engine problems or have a bump, then that probably will stop you racing.
At the very least per race it will cost you:
£400 approx entry fee (double header)
£200 tyres (assuming you make them last 4 meetings)
£100 race fuel and oils
£30 BRSCC membership, race licence, registration fee etc spread across the season
£100 Tow car fuel, food, tent/car/cheap hotel overnight
£15 Brake fluid
£50 Brake pads and other consumables
and that assumes no breakages, accidents or preventative maintenance. It also ignores the costs of engine, gearbox, diff refresh, damper servicing, buying, servicing and insuring your trailer and the odd performance enhancement you may wish to make. There are those who may say you can do it cheaper but I don't see how you can. You might be able to eek a set of tyres out for longer, but you'll also need wets and Murphy's law says you'll get a puncture...
In my view it is better to prep the car properly, be safe and do fewer meetings than try to do all the meetings on an absolute shoestring. The latter is a recipe for not finishing races and then the per lap costs get really high!
I would say though that you need to budget at least a thousand pounds as contingency whatever you run. If you don't have that then it doesn't stop you racing, but if you don't and you break a gearbox, suffer engine problems or have a bump, then that probably will stop you racing.
At the very least per race it will cost you:
£400 approx entry fee (double header)
£200 tyres (assuming you make them last 4 meetings)
£100 race fuel and oils
£30 BRSCC membership, race licence, registration fee etc spread across the season
£100 Tow car fuel, food, tent/car/cheap hotel overnight
£15 Brake fluid
£50 Brake pads and other consumables
and that assumes no breakages, accidents or preventative maintenance. It also ignores the costs of engine, gearbox, diff refresh, damper servicing, buying, servicing and insuring your trailer and the odd performance enhancement you may wish to make. There are those who may say you can do it cheaper but I don't see how you can. You might be able to eek a set of tyres out for longer, but you'll also need wets and Murphy's law says you'll get a puncture...
In my view it is better to prep the car properly, be safe and do fewer meetings than try to do all the meetings on an absolute shoestring. The latter is a recipe for not finishing races and then the per lap costs get really high!
Totaly Agree,
Im on a budget, but not going to take part untill im fully ready, and have 1k per race min.
I think you can run on a budget, but some stuff can't be cut out, and depends on what you call a budget. I think its going to End up costing me 15-20K for a whole season inc buying the car, and Engine etc. and that doing 90% of the work myself. and don't think it can be done for much less.
The 15k is my expected min costs (inc 7k for the season), and the 20k is my limit on what I can spend inc my 1k sponsorship.
Im on a budget, but not going to take part untill im fully ready, and have 1k per race min.
I think you can run on a budget, but some stuff can't be cut out, and depends on what you call a budget. I think its going to End up costing me 15-20K for a whole season inc buying the car, and Engine etc. and that doing 90% of the work myself. and don't think it can be done for much less.
The 15k is my expected min costs (inc 7k for the season), and the 20k is my limit on what I can spend inc my 1k sponsorship.
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