335d tuning, what options..?

335d tuning, what options..?

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dxb335d

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2,905 posts

194 months

Thursday 17th January 2008
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I want to re-map my 335d, i know of the following companies.

DMS
CAA
E-maps
Chipped UK

who all offer re-maps, which im under the impression are all the same map? can someone confirm?

Adive on what maps are good, what are bad would be very helpful. What companies offer a higher state of tune and to what level?

For instance (im used to Cosworth YB's etc) Stage 1, 2 and 3. Are there such stages for tuning the 335d?

what power and torque for each stage and whats mods to get there?

I have heard of tuning boxes too, but believe this is not a good way of tuning as it tricks the ecu and fuel pump into thinking its not got enough pressure thus leading to failure. Please correct me if im wrong.


any help much appreciated

thanks

Carlos

Vixpy1

42,620 posts

263 months

Thursday 17th January 2008
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As far as the remaps go, there is only one stage so to speak.. which will take it too roughly 340bhp and 500ftlb's

I'd use Simon at Emaps. No matter what you pay your essentially getting the same thing from all the mappes.

Matthew_Eames

1,052 posts

203 months

Thursday 17th January 2008
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stay away from tuning boxes, particularly on something like that

i used SP tuning for mine.....brillaint bloke for off the shelf remaps, but it's only a lowly 306 HDi...for a 335d i would probably want a live map done

Cyclone1

2,600 posts

245 months

Thursday 17th January 2008
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Vixpy1 said:
As far as the remaps go, there is only one stage so to speak.. which will take it too roughly 340bhp and 500ftlb's

I'd use Simon at Emaps. No matter what you pay your essentially getting the same thing from all the mappes.
Sort of agree with the above in that currently there is just the remap route and not a lot else.

There are quite a few tuning companies who offer a remap but the most well known three are the ones you mention above apart from CAA using E-Maps I think.

As far as I know they aren't all the same map, they offer similar performance gains but part / full throttle set up could be and will be different, as well as fuelling / airflow etc.

I've ran a few different maps and am happiest with my latest one which is supplied by DMS. They cost a bit more but offer a guarantee, some people think the guarantee is worthless as they don't think they'll ever get a problem, but as there aren't that many 335d's about that have been running with a remap for a decent amount of miles (30-40k+) then how do you know? Also it's for piece of mind as most current owners will have spent between £30-40K for their P&J.

You pays your money and take your choice......or should that be chancewink

Jules.

dxb335d

Original Poster:

2,905 posts

194 months

Thursday 17th January 2008
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Cyclone1 said:
Vixpy1 said:
As far as the remaps go, there is only one stage so to speak.. which will take it too roughly 340bhp and 500ftlb's

I'd use Simon at Emaps. No matter what you pay your essentially getting the same thing from all the mappes.
Sort of agree with the above in that currently there is just the remap route and not a lot else.

There are quite a few tuning companies who offer a remap but the most well known three are the ones you mention above apart from CAA using E-Maps I think.

As far as I know they aren't all the same map, they offer similar performance gains but part / full throttle set up could be and will be different, as well as fuelling / airflow etc.

I've ran a few different maps and am happiest with my latest one which is supplied by DMS. They cost a bit more but offer a guarantee, some people think the guarantee is worthless as they don't think they'll ever get a problem, but as there aren't that many 335d's about that have been running with a remap for a decent amount of miles (30-40k+) then how do you know? Also it's for piece of mind as most current owners will have spent between £30-40K for their P&J.

You pays your money and take your choice......or should that be chancewink

Jules.
So you are running the same map as you ran at FT? Can DMS offer a slightly more aggressive map for higher gains?
Does your car still pull hard to the redline ?


Carlos

Cyclone1

2,600 posts

245 months

Thursday 17th January 2008
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dxb335d said:
Cyclone1 said:
Vixpy1 said:
As far as the remaps go, there is only one stage so to speak.. which will take it too roughly 340bhp and 500ftlb's

I'd use Simon at Emaps. No matter what you pay your essentially getting the same thing from all the mappes.
Sort of agree with the above in that currently there is just the remap route and not a lot else.

There are quite a few tuning companies who offer a remap but the most well known three are the ones you mention above apart from CAA using E-Maps I think.

As far as I know they aren't all the same map, they offer similar performance gains but part / full throttle set up could be and will be different, as well as fuelling / airflow etc.

I've ran a few different maps and am happiest with my latest one which is supplied by DMS. They cost a bit more but offer a guarantee, some people think the guarantee is worthless as they don't think they'll ever get a problem, but as there aren't that many 335d's about that have been running with a remap for a decent amount of miles (30-40k+) then how do you know? Also it's for piece of mind as most current owners will have spent between £30-40K for their P&J.

You pays your money and take your choice......or should that be chancewink

Jules.
So you are running the same map as you ran at FT? Can DMS offer a slightly more aggressive map for higher gains?
Does your car still pull hard to the redline ?


Carlos
I didn't run a DMS map at Fighting Torque. The map I have currently installed is as strong as the FT one, it's actually weaker below 2500rpm, about the same to 3500rpm, then stronger thereafter. Best bet is to call the Tuning companies and explain what you want, some will cater for you others won't.

Jules.

Neil.D

2,878 posts

205 months

Thursday 17th January 2008
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Id go DMS without hesitation. Some of the lesser known tuners can be a bit mickey-mouse. Yes you pay more but you will get a professional service.

Vixpy1

42,620 posts

263 months

Thursday 17th January 2008
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Neil.D said:
Id go DMS without hesitation. Some of the lesser known tuners can be a bit mickey-mouse. Yes you pay more but you will get a professional service.
laugh

FesterNath

652 posts

235 months

Thursday 17th January 2008
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Why not just buy a faster car to begin with, instead of worrying what might or might not happen as a result of tuning?

NickXX

1,535 posts

217 months

Thursday 17th January 2008
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Simon at E-maps did my 330d a year ago. Very good service smile

Cyclone1

2,600 posts

245 months

Thursday 17th January 2008
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Vixpy1 said:
Neil.D said:
Id go DMS without hesitation. Some of the lesser known tuners can be a bit mickey-mouse. Yes you pay more but you will get a professional service.
laugh
confused Spill the beans....or email me.

Jules.

JeffC

1,685 posts

211 months

Thursday 17th January 2008
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Ive used Jamie at Sptuning for the last two years for remapping my customers cars , hes done quite a few 335d/535d"s.He charges £399 inc vat normal price for one car but will discount if hes doing a couple at the same time. he can do different strength maps, Ive got an agressive map in mine and its amazing, drives normal when you do and goes like fook when you nail it, no smoke and 1 year down the line no issues at all .

Ive used Dms and Amd in the past no complaints with either company other than the costs, Ive heard of people paying as much as £1000 to get there car mapped by these companys which imho is a p*ss take

Vixpy1

42,620 posts

263 months

Thursday 17th January 2008
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Cyclone1 said:
Vixpy1 said:
Neil.D said:
Id go DMS without hesitation. Some of the lesser known tuners can be a bit mickey-mouse. Yes you pay more but you will get a professional service.
laugh
confused Spill the beans....or email me.

Jules.
Nothing, just think they are far too expensive.

edb49

1,652 posts

204 months

Thursday 17th January 2008
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What do you mean by a map in this context? Plug a laptop in and upload some settings, or plug a laptop in and run the car up on the dyno a few times with different settings, then keep the best?

jamoor

14,506 posts

214 months

Friday 18th January 2008
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FesterNath said:
Why not just buy a faster car to begin with, instead of worrying what might or might not happen as a result of tuning?
I really wonder how much faster can a car get over a 335d which has a similar blend of features.

I would go with e-maps, they all do the same thing, just at different prices and people.
ChippedUK is a knob so you can count him out, DMS seem to have a decent reputation and are milking it for all its worth (1k ffs!) E-maps are "cheap" (all they do is upload a file) and professional.

Matthew_Eames

1,052 posts

203 months

Friday 18th January 2008
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JeffC said:
Ive used Jamie at Sptuning for the last two years for remapping my customers cars , hes done quite a few 335d/535d"s.He charges £399 inc vat normal price for one car but will discount if hes doing a couple at the same time. he can do different strength maps, Ive got an agressive map in mine and its amazing, drives normal when you do and goes like fook when you nail it, no smoke and 1 year down the line no issues at all .

Ive used Dms and Amd in the past no complaints with either company other than the costs, Ive heard of people paying as much as £1000 to get there car mapped by these companys which imho is a p*ss take
he knows his stuff, i paid £190 for mine (2 cars being done at the same price) although i suspect a newer more complicated engine will be harder to do, map on mine is brilliant

118118

2,381 posts

236 months

Friday 18th January 2008
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as above chipped uk is a pecker lots of info on the net about him ripping him off and he even owen me money still !

J

dxb335d

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2,905 posts

194 months

Friday 25th January 2008
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Im sure when i rang DMS they said they could do it for £500 quid and not 1k everyone has mentioned??!

Anyone have any informtation on the maps from a rolling road day with fueling etc thru to the redline?

Dont want a map which will underfuel top end really.

Paramount

103 posts

211 months

Friday 25th January 2008
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We have had some great results with the 335d.

All ECU work comes with before and after dyno sessions

We are in slough, give us a call if we can help.

Best wishes

Paramount
www.paramount-performance.com


DoctorD

1,542 posts

255 months

Friday 25th January 2008
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What's the story behind 35d engine tuning? I've been running a parellel thread on this forum comparing 35i engines with the 35d, and one of my criteria is the tuneability of these engines.

The 35i engine has now reached the levels of improved driveability plus an extra 90bhp and 120 lb/ft (i.e. 400 bhp/420lb/ft - 580NM).

I've seen various dyno results for the 35d engine, most of which claim around 330-340bhp and between 630-780NM. Power wise there seems little variance between the various tuners, but torque claims are massively different.

So, why are the power claims so similar whilst the torque claims are the opposite? Anyone have any empirical evidence? I am aware of a torque limitation within the BMW autobox of 700NM, so not sure if some tuners are just deliberately holding torque back (to prolong reliability) whilst others are more gung-ho.

The way the current marketplace (for 35d tuners) looks at the moment, it seems that the best criteria of choice is the reliability/warranty angle (and price) rather than performance since they all seem much the same (albeit claiming very different torque outputs).

Anyone have any comparative experience of the various tuning routes?

Edited by DoctorD on Friday 25th January 13:46