964RS....the return of the PIG ?

[sambaman]

http://www.petrolheads.co.uk/sales/380625.htm

YUP IM 99% SURE THIS IS THE NAIL !!

Edited by sambaman on Monday 18th February 18:44

[clubsport]

Looks ok in the photos...isn't it a bit harsh starting a thread like this?

I recall some other cars up for sale which had some interesting history caveat emptor seems more apt than whistle blowing

[Loach]

The covered up plate looks like it reads J542 TVS, soo... that's the other 1% probably accounted for.

[Loach]

clubsport said:

I recall some other cars up for sale which had some interesting history caveat emptor seems more apt than whistle blowing

Completely disagree. In the same way that it's fantastically helpful if someone here assures a potential buyer that car x is a great buy and has been looked after, I think it's entirely approproate to hear from people that have actually seen car y to tell us that it's a nail. This is supposed to be a community of like-minded enthusiasts. Which of us wants to see anyone led down a merry path and sold a complete sthouse?

I accept that it's one thing to assassinate a car without having seen it or without due reason, but if a car is known to posters here, then I think comment - good and bad is both valid and valuable.

A few nails have passed through the forum lately. As I'm looking for a car, I'm more than happy to hear any worthwhile positive/negative comments.

[sambaman]

not at all...go view the car ..i did !!....im sure you will start off on the same footing as me ;-)

clubsport said:

Looks ok in the photos...isn't it a bit harsh starting a thread like this?

I recall some other cars up for sale which had some interesting history caveat emptor seems more apt than whistle blowing

[clubsport]

Ok, however the car is certainly reasonably priced for a genuine 964RS and who knows what work the new owner has done to it since it was last up for sale. Do you?
Personally I think it is of little value to refer to a car as a "Pig" on a public forum even if you know all the facts.....now if someone came on here and asked about the car, a personal email would be a sensible way of communication, just doesn't seem fair to the seller as his car may be unfairly slated by an internet judge and jury with out many facts.

[RSGulp]

Loach said:

clubsport said:

I recall some other cars up for sale which had some interesting history caveat emptor seems more apt than whistle blowing

Completely disagree. In the same way that it's fantastically helpful if someone here assures a potential buyer that car x is a great buy and has been looked after, I think it's entirely approproate to hear from people that have actually seen car y to tell us that it's a nail. This is supposed to be a community of like-minded enthusiasts. Which of us wants to see anyone led down a merry path and sold a complete sthouse?

I accept that it's one thing to assassinate a car without having seen it or without due reason, but if a car is known to posters here, then I think comment - good and bad is both valid and valuable.

A few nails have passed through the forum lately. As I'm looking for a car, I'm more than happy to hear any worthwhile positive/negative comments.

Has anyone seen this car as it is right now? I guess not, as it has only been advertised for a day.

Several of people, including myself, saw it in 2006 and made up our own mind then - one person obviously liked it and bought it and only he and the vendor know what the final selling price was. Potential buyers should do the same now - go and see the car and make up your own mind whether it is worth the asking price. The advertiser says that a lot of money has been spent - maybe he has put right some of the issues the car had 2 years ago. It seems he also knows the going rate for a good 964RS and might be trying to pitch his price to reflect his car.

Personally I'm not a fan of the public 'trial by forum' of cars which many people have not actually seen themselves, or who base their opinion on things they've heard somewhere.

Remember, one day it could be our own cars which are the subject of one of these threads and I wouldn't welcome people making statements for all to see which are based on rumour and readers believe are written as fact.

Give him a call if you are interested, find out from him what he has done to the car, what its current condition is, and go and see it if it seems worth pursuing.

[Loach]

RSGulp said:

Remember, one day it could be our own cars which are the subject of one of these threads and I wouldn't welcome people making statements for all to see which are based on rumour and readers believe are written as fact.

Give him a call if you are interested, find out from him what he has done to the car, what its current condition is, and go and see it if it seems worth pursuing.

I emailed the seller within an hour of the advert appearing on PH. I've yet to hear anything back, but when I do, I'll be sure to direct him here in case he feels like addressing the criticism his car has been getting.

This guy isn't claiming in the few words he's written that his car is perfect; given the pricing, he probably accepts that it isn't. But in a community of enthusiasts such as this one, I don't consider it offside for someone to point out that they know that a certain car has had serious issues. We're talking about expensive cars here, and a Porsche purchase usually represents a hefty financial commitment. To those here willing to stick their heads above the parapets to warn the rest of us about a car with known problems, a sincere thanks.

I know some are advising not so much against helpful advice so much as warning that such comments should be kept off a public forum, and in my own experience, some kindly PHers have taken the time to quietly PM me about one car or another whilst refraining from a public post. For this, I'm really appreciative. But unless a thread like this appears in the first place, how will the samaritans know who to contact? How else would we know who's about to make a potentially costly mistake? If we're not looking out for eachother in here, then what's the point?

[graeme36s]

From these forums you can glean a wealth of information which is very much appreciated. I also agree that it is far better to take it off the forum via a PM and then people can make a more informed opinion prior to looking or arranging a PPI but away from the public domain. This is how I met agent orange. Something minor he said about a car that wrung a little bell. I sent him a PM, we then chatted and thanks to VC I ended up with the evo. That said I was looking at a CTR in sweden, again sent a PM and the response that followed prevented me jumping on a plane and thankfully making a very big mistake.

[RHDViper]

Could someone PM about the history of this car. Looked to good to be true at 30K , but still interested in the story behind it . Thanks.

[ChrisW.]

Sambaman, is a dealer.

I was selling a Red 964RS that was and is, a lovely car --- and did not appreciate being told by Keith "in buying mode" that there were plenty of unpainted yet very nice 964RS' around. Particularly not when three dealers then pitched in dissing the car, again in public. The result was that I lost my two prospective purchasers, one of whom went on to buy a dealer car which was notably less good than mine for the same price as I was looking for.

And Keith, you know that I am qualified to say so.

So, for the record Loach, I think everybody should make thir own mind up based on how the car is now and some very very good impartial advice --- and most certainly not the heresay (heresey is dangerously close don't you think ?) of a forum such as this.

There have been far too many instances of dealers hunting in packs on this forum.

[sambaman]

easy......easy.................

[RSGulp]

RSGulp said:

Several of people, including myself, saw it in 2006 and made up our own mind then - one person obviously liked it and bought it and only he and the vendor know what the final selling price was. Potential buyers should do the same now - go and see the car and make up your own mind whether it is worth the asking price. The advertiser says that a lot of money has been spent - maybe he has put right some of the issues the car had 2 years ago. It seems he also knows the going rate for a good 964RS and might be trying to pitch his price to reflect his car.

Give him a call if you are interested, find out from him what he has done to the car, what its current condition is, and go and see it if it seems worth pursuing.

It seems the asking price has suddenly risen to £35K today.

[Loach]

RSGulp said:

It seems the asking price has suddenly risen to £35K today.

Seems this guy had time to revise his pricing, but no time to answer my email of this morning when it was still 30k. The thick plottens.

ChrisW - you speak the truth, but not every seller is as up front as you are (and I know you're up front from personal experience). There's no substitute for going to see a car, but a few bits of background info should hurt no-one except a seller chancing his/her arm - no?

[964RS]

RSGulp said:

RSGulp said:

Several of people, including myself, saw it in 2006 and made up our own mind then - one person obviously liked it and bought it and only he and the vendor know what the final selling price was. Potential buyers should do the same now - go and see the car and make up your own mind whether it is worth the asking price. The advertiser says that a lot of money has been spent - maybe he has put right some of the issues the car had 2 years ago. It seems he also knows the going rate for a good 964RS and might be trying to pitch his price to reflect his car.

Give him a call if you are interested, find out from him what he has done to the car, what its current condition is, and go and see it if it seems worth pursuing.

It seems the asking price has suddenly risen to £35K today.

Great I've just added another £10k to mine

[sleep envy]

PH pork forum - car assasination matters

[ruane]

I am the owner of the white RS LWT the car is not perfect its been used on a track what it was made for, you are more than welcome to have a look and try for yourself. I have recived a lot phone calls regarding this car come judge it for your self.

[Bedford Rascal]

ruane said:

I am the owner of the white RS LWT the car is not perfect its been used on a track what it was made for, you are more than welcome to have a look and try for yourself. I have recived a lot phone calls regarding this car come judge it for your self.

You could answer three questions which would whittle down your potential audience to the true buyers of this sort of car, I would guess:

i) Is the reg J542 TVS?
ii) Have you had any remedial work down to the car since 2006? What and by who?
iii) Why the £5k hike?

[ruane]

Yes the reg is J542 TVS.
Just routine servicing.
Because of the interest in the car.

This is a drivers car not for hiding in a warm dry garage, I have had good fun in this car using as intended; see for yourself come drive it......

[rubystone]

I mailed this guy, no answer yet. Given that it's advertised on PH and indeed that this guy has responded on the thread, can someone let me know what the history is with the car? It'll save me having to search PH for the original thread...and if I have to do that, I might as well then paste a link up to it on here.

If someone had posted a thread asking for info on this car, then it's absolutely fair game in my eyes for those who do know the history of the car in question to let the enquirer know...in this case, the thread appears to have been unprompted, and that is arguably unfair.

I've personally given information on a pm basis to others who are looking at cars that I know are not all they may seem.