Tuesday 8th January 2002

Bentley Arnage T

The fastest saloon car you can buy?

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[Zoomer]

FOR SALE

KIDNEY.

A BIT ADDLED BY BOOZE, BUT FUNCTIONS WELL.

£POA OR WILL SWAP FOR ARNAGE T

[Fatboy]

Zoomer LOL

[M-Five]

I have just one (or maybe two) problem with this car is that I haven't got one

The second problem-ette is that when you are doing 150 in the Red Label it feels no faster than 100 in others as it is so smooth and quiet. You only realise how fast you are going when you overtake something and happen to glance at the speedo.

[kevinday]

This is a serious car, seriously fast and seriously expensive! Excellently non PC.

[stevenrt]

fastest saloon is i believe a HSV (holden special vehicles), from down under. an opel to you with a corvette engine in it.

but hey, who's counting?

[andyf]

Just one question - how does a twin T3 turbo setup give a better response? Surely now the exhaust flow is being split between two turbo's the lag will not exactly be any better? How does this work

[danmangt40]

I like fast cars, I like restyling that makes them zoomier. But I am sad that the rules that are used to make our accords and mondeos sell so well apply to bentleys. Somehow I'd hope that at that level a bentley sedan would be immune from people doing things on a par of acting on someone saying "oh shit, dat would look fly on some deuces." you know what I mean. This is just another car for rappers to throw into their videos. The real people who make the T description worth applying will buy a ferrari or aston first.

[danmangt40]

andyf, to answer your q, each turbo spools up independently of one another, so ignore the fact that there are two of them. the more important fact is that they are smaller. Smaller turbos have less inertia and require less force to start turning. The downside of a smaller turbo is that by themselves, they produce less compression than a larger unit. However, clearing out the old turbo for two smaller ones yields lower-rpm action of both turbos, and their combined action exceed the compressing force of the single larger unit, as is evidenced by the larger output. Also, they are not on the same path on the exhaust. most likely the headers coming off one bank feed one turbo, and the ones on the opposite bank feed the other. (for example, the bugatti eb110 had a quad turbo v12. 3 cylinders on one bank fed one, the next 3 cylinders on that bank fed another, and that layout was symmetrical on the opposite bank)

[JMGS4]

Fastest saloon, who's kidding who? a very lowly 270kph!!! A normal 300SL crapbox merc will go faster!!!!
Not to speak of the Audi S8 the VW Phaeton and various other BMWs
But still one of the most desireable cars ever!

Edited by JMGS4 on Thursday 10th January 14:42

[Roadrunner]

Worlds fastest saloon is the Brabus EV12:

www.brabus.com/homee.htm

(click on the INDEX button and check it out)

[Fatboy]

IIRC didn't Brabus stop making the EV12 after a light facelift on the E-class meant the V12 could no longer fit in the engine bay?

[Roadrunner]

Don't know the answer to that one.

Another nippy barge is Racing Dynamics M5 conversion to 500bhp:

www.racingdynamics.com/LocalizedContent/US/US_CarsInProduction/RS50Sedan.asp

[kevinday]

I believe we are talking standard production cars here, and, if I am correct, all the German manufacturers (excluding Porsche) limit their cars to 250 kph. So remove the limiter and they are faster but no longer standard.

[thom]

quote:
The second problem-ette is that when you are doing 150 in the Red Label it feels no faster than 100 in others as it is so smooth and quiet.

So what is the point of this car if you can't feel the speed?

[Dave Murray]

You can feel the speed ... in cornering. Maybe a scary feel ! oh, no wonder ESP is compulsory.