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GMP police officer (30 yr old Gaffney) convicted i.e. found guilty of punching/assaulting a
12 year old boy.
He is still in the GMP and getting paid!! ...apparently he is/was highly trained!
Crikey......what a mess this country is in...No wonder the Police in general have lost the support of the public!
However good on the other officers for reporting it/raising the alarm...
12 year old boy.
He is still in the GMP and getting paid!! ...apparently he is/was highly trained!
Crikey......what a mess this country is in...No wonder the Police in general have lost the support of the public!
However good on the other officers for reporting it/raising the alarm...
Edited by forza whites on Friday 25th July 18:33
Hmmmm, touchy subject that.
Was the officer in a position to know better?....yes
Was what he did right?....no
Do normal members of the public hit kids and keep their jobs?....yes
Doesnt look good, but if the officers been dealt with by the way of a conviction then why should they be out a job too. He'll be pushing paperwork for the rest of his time I'm sure though.
Was the officer in a position to know better?....yes
Was what he did right?....no
Do normal members of the public hit kids and keep their jobs?....yes
Doesnt look good, but if the officers been dealt with by the way of a conviction then why should they be out a job too. He'll be pushing paperwork for the rest of his time I'm sure though.
This was in the local news...
A POLICE officer from Northwich has admitted punching a 12-year-old boy in the face but says it was in self-defence.
Magistrates at Warrington heard PC Daniel Gaffney, of Withington Close, thought he was about to be attacked during a strip search of the boy who claimed to have a gun down his trousers.
The 30-year-old was putting the boy in a cell at Didsbury police station, in Manchester, on November 10 last year when the boy raised his arm at the officer.
Gaffney initially told bosses the boy, who cannot be named for legal reasons, fell and banged his face on a wall but later admitted punching the lad, who has nine convictions – seven for assault and two for affray.
The boy, now 13, was arrested at his care home in Wythenshawe, Greater Manchester, after drinking half a bottle of vodka with a friend and threatening staff with a fence post.
When at the police station he refused to hand over a cigarette lighter and started swearing and gesturing that the gun was a big one.
Footage was shown at the hearing on Tuesday, July 15, of a video interview with police taken several days after the alleged assault, which Gaffney denies.
In it, the boy, who is slim and under 5ft, bears a large black eye and tells the interviewing officer: “His hand connected with my nose and eye. It hurt, it hurt my nose and eye.
“My eye was bruised and I couldn't see out of it. The other one was OK.
“The back of my head had hit the wall and I had beeping in my ears.”
When the boy was taken to hospital, a custody sergeant thought he had a broken nose which ‘poured with blood’, while in interview with police professional standards, Gaffney said he had not seen so much blood since a paranoid schizophrenic cut his throat in the station toilets.
The defendant, who has been an emergency response officer for more than six years, did not handcuff the boy during the search. When asked if he thought the level of force was fair, he said he did not know how old the boy was.
He said: “I punched him once, I was afraid for myself. It was my first reaction.”
Jayne La Grua, prosecuting, said: “Effectively, the Crown’s case is this defendant lost his temper.”
A colleague of Gaffney told the court he has only ever known the defendant deal with suspects professionally.
The hearing was adjourned until July 25 at Runcorn Magistrates' Court when the defence will begin its case.
Still think its a sham??
A POLICE officer from Northwich has admitted punching a 12-year-old boy in the face but says it was in self-defence.
Magistrates at Warrington heard PC Daniel Gaffney, of Withington Close, thought he was about to be attacked during a strip search of the boy who claimed to have a gun down his trousers.
The 30-year-old was putting the boy in a cell at Didsbury police station, in Manchester, on November 10 last year when the boy raised his arm at the officer.
Gaffney initially told bosses the boy, who cannot be named for legal reasons, fell and banged his face on a wall but later admitted punching the lad, who has nine convictions – seven for assault and two for affray.
The boy, now 13, was arrested at his care home in Wythenshawe, Greater Manchester, after drinking half a bottle of vodka with a friend and threatening staff with a fence post.
When at the police station he refused to hand over a cigarette lighter and started swearing and gesturing that the gun was a big one.
Footage was shown at the hearing on Tuesday, July 15, of a video interview with police taken several days after the alleged assault, which Gaffney denies.
In it, the boy, who is slim and under 5ft, bears a large black eye and tells the interviewing officer: “His hand connected with my nose and eye. It hurt, it hurt my nose and eye.
“My eye was bruised and I couldn't see out of it. The other one was OK.
“The back of my head had hit the wall and I had beeping in my ears.”
When the boy was taken to hospital, a custody sergeant thought he had a broken nose which ‘poured with blood’, while in interview with police professional standards, Gaffney said he had not seen so much blood since a paranoid schizophrenic cut his throat in the station toilets.
The defendant, who has been an emergency response officer for more than six years, did not handcuff the boy during the search. When asked if he thought the level of force was fair, he said he did not know how old the boy was.
He said: “I punched him once, I was afraid for myself. It was my first reaction.”
Jayne La Grua, prosecuting, said: “Effectively, the Crown’s case is this defendant lost his temper.”
A colleague of Gaffney told the court he has only ever known the defendant deal with suspects professionally.
The hearing was adjourned until July 25 at Runcorn Magistrates' Court when the defence will begin its case.
Still think its a sham??
Edited by PaulW21781 on Friday 25th July 18:57
Greendubber said:
Hmmmm, touchy subject that.
Was the officer in a position to know better?....yes
Was what he did right?....no
Do normal members of the public hit kids and keep their jobs?....yes
Doesnt look good, but if the officers been dealt with by the way of a conviction then why should they be out a job too. He'll be pushing paperwork for the rest of his time I'm sure though.
Hmn ...I thought all officers took an oath to uphold the law? Was the officer in a position to know better?....yes
Was what he did right?....no
Do normal members of the public hit kids and keep their jobs?....yes
Doesnt look good, but if the officers been dealt with by the way of a conviction then why should they be out a job too. He'll be pushing paperwork for the rest of his time I'm sure though.
Not go and break it by assaulting a 12 yr old kid?
My point was meant to be...he has not yet been kicked out.....still on the payroll....thats a sham!
TVR Moneypit said:
Lets just put this into context here before the usual suspects turn up.....
The officer in question works in a not very nice part of Manchester, proberly spending all day, every day dealing with the utter s
te of humanity.
Upon dealing with a member of public who could / would be considered to be the above mentioned utter ste, it comes to light that the suspect may be armed with a pistol. This member of public also has several previous convictions for assault and affray.
During a search in a cell, the member of public who is bragging that he is armed makes a sudden move with his arm.
At this point, put yourself in the coppers shoes. What he he proberly thinking? Am I about to get shot by this scumbag? Will I be going home to my wife and kids after this shift, or are my days now over?
The copper does what any of us would do. He instinctivly makes a move to subdue the suspect, believing no doubt that if he didn't, he himself would end up getting shot at close range.
Never mind being chastised by the media, reprimanded by his bosses, that copper needs a bloody medal.
Kids like the one in this story aren't like normal kids you know? There trainee thugs, usually armed, who have no respect for any kind of aurthority.
Thats such a bad post....The officer in question works in a not very nice part of Manchester, proberly spending all day, every day dealing with the utter s
te of humanity.Upon dealing with a member of public who could / would be considered to be the above mentioned utter s
te, it comes to light that the suspect may be armed with a pistol. This member of public also has several previous convictions for assault and affray.During a search in a cell, the member of public who is bragging that he is armed makes a sudden move with his arm.
At this point, put yourself in the coppers shoes. What he he proberly thinking? Am I about to get shot by this scumbag? Will I be going home to my wife and kids after this shift, or are my days now over?
The copper does what any of us would do. He instinctivly makes a move to subdue the suspect, believing no doubt that if he didn't, he himself would end up getting shot at close range.
Never mind being chastised by the media, reprimanded by his bosses, that copper needs a bloody medal.
Kids like the one in this story aren't like normal kids you know? There trainee thugs, usually armed, who have no respect for any kind of aurthority.
irrespective of the kids demeanour, he shouldn't have been assaulted ....
especially my someone empowered to uphold the law......Its extremely shameful
To suggest the convicted criminal (the police officer) deserves a medal
is a direct insult to any good folk who have earned medals in their respective employement/pursuits.
Some kids in 'care homes' aren't there by choice, they have been abandoned and for sure a lot of
them have behaviour problems...and alot of them are junior criminals....
This so called 'highly trained' police officer should have risen above it and acted professionally...
not commit a criminal offence......
If we have the police who are employed to uphold the laws of the land....breaking them at will...
then what do we have??
TVR Moneypit said:
forza whites said:
TVR Moneypit said:
Lets just put this into context here before the usual suspects turn up.....
The officer in question works in a not very nice part of Manchester, proberly spending all day, every day dealing with the utter ste of humanity.
Upon dealing with a member of public who could / would be considered to be the above mentioned utter ste, it comes to light that the suspect may be armed with a pistol. This member of public also has several previous convictions for assault and affray.
During a search in a cell, the member of public who is bragging that he is armed makes a sudden move with his arm.
At this point, put yourself in the coppers shoes. What he he proberly thinking? Am I about to get shot by this scumbag? Will I be going home to my wife and kids after this shift, or are my days now over?
The copper does what any of us would do. He instinctivly makes a move to subdue the suspect, believing no doubt that if he didn't, he himself would end up getting shot at close range.
Never mind being chastised by the media, reprimanded by his bosses, that copper needs a bloody medal.
Kids like the one in this story aren't like normal kids you know? There trainee thugs, usually armed, who have no respect for any kind of aurthority.
Thats such a bad post....The officer in question works in a not very nice part of Manchester, proberly spending all day, every day dealing with the utter s
te of humanity.Upon dealing with a member of public who could / would be considered to be the above mentioned utter s
te, it comes to light that the suspect may be armed with a pistol. This member of public also has several previous convictions for assault and affray.During a search in a cell, the member of public who is bragging that he is armed makes a sudden move with his arm.
At this point, put yourself in the coppers shoes. What he he proberly thinking? Am I about to get shot by this scumbag? Will I be going home to my wife and kids after this shift, or are my days now over?
The copper does what any of us would do. He instinctivly makes a move to subdue the suspect, believing no doubt that if he didn't, he himself would end up getting shot at close range.
Never mind being chastised by the media, reprimanded by his bosses, that copper needs a bloody medal.
Kids like the one in this story aren't like normal kids you know? There trainee thugs, usually armed, who have no respect for any kind of aurthority.
irrespective of the kids demeanour, he shouldn't have been assaulted ....
especially my someone empowered to uphold the law......Its extremely shameful
To suggest the convicted criminal (the police officer) deserves a medal
is a direct insult to any good folk who have earned medals in their respective employement/pursuits.
Some kids in 'care homes' aren't there by choice, they have been abandoned and for sure a lot of
them have behaviour problems...and alot of them are junior criminals....
This so called 'highly trained' police officer should have risen above it and acted professionally...
not commit a criminal offence......
If we have the police who are employed to uphold the laws of the land....breaking them at will...
then what do we have??
Are you thick or something?
This scrote, with plenty of previous states that he's armed. During a search for the conceled weapon, the scrote makes a sudden move. The copper reacts instinctivly, as anyone would in such a situation to potentially save his own life.
What part of that do you fail to understand?????
Blimey....
Are you thick....the law operates via a Court system where the evidence is heard......
the 'officer' was convicted.....You and others on here cannot have it both ways!!
If the officer was saving his life (please dont insult my intelligence) then he would
clearly not have been convicted.
Lets not forget that the Crown very very rarely prosecutes any officer in these types
of cases, but felt and rightly so that on this occasion the guy was committing a criminal
offence....
TVR Moneypit said:
forza whites said:
TVR Moneypit said:
forza whites said:
TVR Moneypit said:
Lets just put this into context here before the usual suspects turn up.....
The officer in question works in a not very nice part of Manchester, proberly spending all day, every day dealing with the utter ste of humanity.
Upon dealing with a member of public who could / would be considered to be the above mentioned utter ste, it comes to light that the suspect may be armed with a pistol. This member of public also has several previous convictions for assault and affray.
During a search in a cell, the member of public who is bragging that he is armed makes a sudden move with his arm.
At this point, put yourself in the coppers shoes. What he he proberly thinking? Am I about to get shot by this scumbag? Will I be going home to my wife and kids after this shift, or are my days now over?
The copper does what any of us would do. He instinctivly makes a move to subdue the suspect, believing no doubt that if he didn't, he himself would end up getting shot at close range.
Never mind being chastised by the media, reprimanded by his bosses, that copper needs a bloody medal.
Kids like the one in this story aren't like normal kids you know? There trainee thugs, usually armed, who have no respect for any kind of aurthority.
Thats such a bad post....The officer in question works in a not very nice part of Manchester, proberly spending all day, every day dealing with the utter s
te of humanity.Upon dealing with a member of public who could / would be considered to be the above mentioned utter s
te, it comes to light that the suspect may be armed with a pistol. This member of public also has several previous convictions for assault and affray.During a search in a cell, the member of public who is bragging that he is armed makes a sudden move with his arm.
At this point, put yourself in the coppers shoes. What he he proberly thinking? Am I about to get shot by this scumbag? Will I be going home to my wife and kids after this shift, or are my days now over?
The copper does what any of us would do. He instinctivly makes a move to subdue the suspect, believing no doubt that if he didn't, he himself would end up getting shot at close range.
Never mind being chastised by the media, reprimanded by his bosses, that copper needs a bloody medal.
Kids like the one in this story aren't like normal kids you know? There trainee thugs, usually armed, who have no respect for any kind of aurthority.
irrespective of the kids demeanour, he shouldn't have been assaulted ....
especially my someone empowered to uphold the law......Its extremely shameful
To suggest the convicted criminal (the police officer) deserves a medal
is a direct insult to any good folk who have earned medals in their respective employement/pursuits.
Some kids in 'care homes' aren't there by choice, they have been abandoned and for sure a lot of
them have behaviour problems...and alot of them are junior criminals....
This so called 'highly trained' police officer should have risen above it and acted professionally...
not commit a criminal offence......
If we have the police who are employed to uphold the laws of the land....breaking them at will...
then what do we have??
Are you thick or something?
This scrote, with plenty of previous states that he's armed. During a search for the conceled weapon, the scrote makes a sudden move. The copper reacts instinctivly, as anyone would in such a situation to potentially save his own life.
What part of that do you fail to understand?????
Blimey....
Are you thick....the law operates via a Court system where the evidence is heard......
the 'officer' was convicted.....You and others on here cannot have it both ways!!
If the officer was saving his life (please dont insult my intelligence) then he would
clearly not have been convicted.
Lets not forget that the Crown very very rarely prosecutes any officer in these types
of cases, but felt and rightly so that on this occasion the guy was committing a criminal
offence....
The courts dont always get it right.
I just hope to god that we never end up living in the sort of fluffy world that I imagine you would like us to live in.
in my opinion in this case, which is unusual for coming before the courts, and the FACT that
other officers gave evidence and raised the alarm the conviction is warranted, and the guy
should be thrown out of the GMP forthwith. There must be more able men/women able to do the job
more professional and with better judgement.
Fluffy? no, punching a kid...after all the scroat was 12 TWELVE..where do you draw the line..?
Is punching a 9 year girl acceptable?? Might be round your way......
Irrespective of what these ...undesireables have done.....PUNCHING them isn't the answer....
dont get me wrong, scuba diving holidays to Cyprus aint either....
Edited by forza whites on Friday 25th July 19:32
to be fair i would have done the same. I was on duty one night as a custodian, drunken lowlife comes in for going equipped, getting trappy in custody, told to wind his neck in, comes at me having thrown his shoes at my head. i didn't know what he had on him as the arresting officer hadn't searched him yet. i hit him with a double-handed open palm and took him down quite heavily. I would quite happily stand up in court and justify my actions. he hit the floor, i didn't. simple. i am not paid to be assaulted, let alone to fear being shot. The age of the suspect is irrelevant in my opinion, his actions result in consequences. if this had been a 18+yr old then it wouldn't matter. only as the kid no doubt reported to his appropriate adult and solicitor who filed complaint.
Only thing i would do differently would not be to deny it. get it in writing on custody record and logged then its a first account. no point trying to hide it, only makes you look worse in the end.
Only thing i would do differently would not be to deny it. get it in writing on custody record and logged then its a first account. no point trying to hide it, only makes you look worse in the end.
BOF said:
No comment on this incident in particular...some of the replies bring to mind the front page of Private Eye years ago...
Some SAS guys being asked, at the time of the IRA " Why did you shoot him 13 times?".
"'Cos we ran out of bullets"
BOF.
MP5's carry more than 13 rounds or bullets as you put it....Some SAS guys being asked, at the time of the IRA " Why did you shoot him 13 times?".
"'Cos we ran out of bullets"
BOF.
cannot compare some scroat of a junior kid in council care with hardcore terrorists...
I should know.....spent many a 'job' in NI....
only on pistonheads
I don't see what relevance the age of the victim has.
A 12 year old can hurt you just as much as a 13 year old, or a 14 year old.
At what age does it become acceptable to punch someone?
After all, some 12 year olds are huge.
In any case it is not the age of the victim that determines whether the assault on him is unlawful.
A 12 year old can hurt you just as much as a 13 year old, or a 14 year old.
At what age does it become acceptable to punch someone?
After all, some 12 year olds are huge.
In any case it is not the age of the victim that determines whether the assault on him is unlawful.
Reading the report it seems it was a pre-emptive strike, no problem with that. How was the guy supposed to know the kid didnt have a weapon?. You dont have to be an adult to stick a knife in someone or pull a trigger.
I've had to punch quite a few people when I've been at work. Its all been justified and use of force forms etc completed and everything done by the book.
If I had to chin a 12 year old because I thought he was making a grab for a weapon I'd do it.
I've had to punch quite a few people when I've been at work. Its all been justified and use of force forms etc completed and everything done by the book.
If I had to chin a 12 year old because I thought he was making a grab for a weapon I'd do it.
Greendubber said:
Do normal members of the public hit kids and keep their jobs?....yes
Do teachers and other professionals who come into contact with children on a daily basis?....NoEdit: That said it does sound an awful lot like this kid deserved it.
Edited by SwissCamel on Friday 25th July 23:26
forza whites said:
tybo said:
The little st needs more than a punch by the sound of it 
If I came across some 30 yr old bloater....punching a kid....I'd give him a right kicking....t needs more than a punch by the sound of it even if the tw**a*t had a fluorescent jacket on...
Because he's either a troll or someone with a skewed perception of the world.
My understanding of the incident is that the kid was in custody, claimed to hve a gun then made a sudden move. A child of any age can pull a trigger. I'd have done the same. Better to be alive and explaining why he hit him than dead and have his family wondering why he didn't.
My understanding of the incident is that the kid was in custody, claimed to hve a gun then made a sudden move. A child of any age can pull a trigger. I'd have done the same. Better to be alive and explaining why he hit him than dead and have his family wondering why he didn't.
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