Written off Griff
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I've got a guy who has offered his Griff in part exchange for my NSX. The details are as follows... (his words)
"ts a 1991 PRE CAT 4.0 griffith in met green...NON STANDARD CAR...has v/low suspension...brand new 17s (all round as they normally run 16 rear/15front)....split rim effect...cobra fia bucket seats in black with red harnesses...seat roll bars/cage.....brand new silicon air induction kit from tvr power....just serviced all oils,gear shifter linkage etc etc...new sony stereo and speaker system,carbon roof panel....etc etc 51000 miles....has white stripe also,can be painetd of but transforms the car gets loads of attention at the tvr shows and on the road...only thing is everyone wants a race.. ...i just wanted a tvr that is different...and how many tvr owners modify their car....er none.."
I gave tvr-mads a call to see how much it was worth and whether they'd be interested in the car (i'm really after a 500) only to be told that there was a guy offering round a Griff very similar to this a few months back.
If it is the same car, it is a write-off (C or D? Not the 'uneconomical to repair' one, the 'oooh, that must have really hurt' one)
Chances are there are not too many Pre-cat griffs with that spec...
Be wary if you see this car for sale anywhere, I'm going to ask the guy for the reg number for a HPI check, but I'm not expecting a reply...
"ts a 1991 PRE CAT 4.0 griffith in met green...NON STANDARD CAR...has v/low suspension...brand new 17s (all round as they normally run 16 rear/15front)....split rim effect...cobra fia bucket seats in black with red harnesses...seat roll bars/cage.....brand new silicon air induction kit from tvr power....just serviced all oils,gear shifter linkage etc etc...new sony stereo and speaker system,carbon roof panel....etc etc 51000 miles....has white stripe also,can be painetd of but transforms the car gets loads of attention at the tvr shows and on the road...only thing is everyone wants a race.. ...i just wanted a tvr that is different...and how many tvr owners modify their car....er none.."
I gave tvr-mads a call to see how much it was worth and whether they'd be interested in the car (i'm really after a 500) only to be told that there was a guy offering round a Griff very similar to this a few months back.
If it is the same car, it is a write-off (C or D? Not the 'uneconomical to repair' one, the 'oooh, that must have really hurt' one)
Chances are there are not too many Pre-cat griffs with that spec...
Be wary if you see this car for sale anywhere, I'm going to ask the guy for the reg number for a HPI check, but I'm not expecting a reply...
trooper1212 said:
If it is the same car, it is a write-off (C or D? Not the 'uneconomical to repair' one, the 'oooh, that must have really hurt' one)
Chances are there are not too many Pre-cat griffs with that spec...
Be wary if you see this car for sale anywhere, I'm going to ask the guy for the reg number for a HPI check, but I'm not expecting a reply...
Well IS it or ISN'T it this car?
I'd be pretty well non plused if it was my car on here being mistakenly slated.
the least you could have done was to actually have the HPI done to confirm any worries that you may have about this car and then posted your comments with the knowledge.
I sympathise with you as selling a NSX musn't be easy especially with the TVR choice available at the moment and you obviously only intended to warn the unwary on this the Griff page incase the urge to go out and buy a maxed out Griff should suddenly overcome anyone.
thanks for that, it was great.
ps. are you a Troll?
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heliox said:
If it is the same car, it is a write-off (C or D? Not the 'uneconomical to repair' one, the 'oooh, that must have really hurt' one)
Chances are there are not too many Pre-cat griffs with that spec...
Be wary if you see this car for sale anywhere, I'm going to ask the guy for the reg number for a HPI check, but I'm not expecting a reply...
Well IS it or ISN'T it this car?
I'd be pretty well non plused if it was my car on here being mistakenly slated.
the least you could have done was to actually have the HPI done to confirm any worries that you may have about this car and then posted your comments with the knowledge.
I sympathise with you as selling a NSX musn't be easy especially with the TVR choice available at the moment and you obviously only intended to warn the unwary on this the Griff page incase the urge to go out and buy a maxed out Griff should suddenly overcome anyone.
thanks for that, it was great.
ps. are you a Troll?
errr, what?
How many Griffs have you seen around with that spec? Cobra buckets, lowered, white stripe, that mileage on a 4.0 1991 model. Considering there were only 600 cars built in 91/92.
I would HPI it if I got the details to do it, but I haven't. I thought I'd warn others if they see this car around, because it sounds extremely dodgy.
Congratulations, you win my moron of the month award.
trooper1212 said:
Congratulations, you win my moron of the month award.
Damn, I wanted that this month!
There do seem to be quite a few people who visit this site for info on buying one, the car does sound "quite" distinctive and as a precaution is prob worth warning people that the car may be ok or might be sh@. I checked my car out with every source available to me and was only happy then that the car was ok, I think that if I could have info available on here I would have used it. What's the car up for?
joolzb said:
There do seem to be quite a few people who visit this site for info on buying one, the car does sound "quite" distinctive and as a precaution is prob worth warning people that the car may be ok or might be sh@. I checked my car out with every source available to me and was only happy then that the car was ok, I think that if I could have info available on here I would have used it. What's the car up for?
I didn't get a price as I said I'd ask around and make him an offer. No response after I said that, funnily enough...
I know for fact that there is a car with that spec that has been offered to a TVR dealer as perfect, yet it has been written off.
I also know that a car with that spec has had it's autotrader adverts cancelled due to it being misadvertised.
I also know for a fact that a car with that spec has been offered to me in part exchange without any mention of its history.
Whether the car in those three cases is the same car, I'll leave that as an exercise for the reader
Come on guys, it's only a warning. Heed it or don't - up to you. Anybody going to look at a modded green 4.0 this weekend now knows to ask one more question rather than take the status of the car on trust.
When you're looking for a car, especially a Griff, any information is useful information. The number of these cars with a shadow on their past seem almost equal to the number built! You just have to satisfy yourself that any 'shadow' is acceptable (I mean reg changes/bodywork/replacement engine etc). Pretty hard to find a Griff that has had none of those! It's not necessarily a reason not to buy a car - some people deliberately buy damage repaired as bargains. But it's commendable to help a prospective buyer go into a deal with their eyes open - we all know what happens when a seller fires up a prospective purchase - reason goes out the descending electric window!!
It would be reasonable to expect a potential buyer to HPi a car. I'm not sure it's reasonable to expect trooper1212 to fork out £35 hard earned before posting information that could save someone a wasted trip. If it wasn't for trooper1212's diligence so far somebody less clued up may have made a mistake. Maybe not - maybe there are two (or more) similarly modded Griff 4.0s around, but I think a warning is fair. In fact I'm not sure that posting the reg. no. would be any better - who's to say the V-car (or whatever) data being relied upon is correct? Who's to say the reg. no. was communicated correctly?
I think a buyer should make the call, I think trooper1212 is only trying to be of help.
Well that's me done!
When you're looking for a car, especially a Griff, any information is useful information. The number of these cars with a shadow on their past seem almost equal to the number built! You just have to satisfy yourself that any 'shadow' is acceptable (I mean reg changes/bodywork/replacement engine etc). Pretty hard to find a Griff that has had none of those! It's not necessarily a reason not to buy a car - some people deliberately buy damage repaired as bargains. But it's commendable to help a prospective buyer go into a deal with their eyes open - we all know what happens when a seller fires up a prospective purchase - reason goes out the descending electric window!!
It would be reasonable to expect a potential buyer to HPi a car. I'm not sure it's reasonable to expect trooper1212 to fork out £35 hard earned before posting information that could save someone a wasted trip. If it wasn't for trooper1212's diligence so far somebody less clued up may have made a mistake. Maybe not - maybe there are two (or more) similarly modded Griff 4.0s around, but I think a warning is fair. In fact I'm not sure that posting the reg. no. would be any better - who's to say the V-car (or whatever) data being relied upon is correct? Who's to say the reg. no. was communicated correctly?
I think a buyer should make the call, I think trooper1212 is only trying to be of help.
Well that's me done!
Griffter, totally agree, blokes giving info. it's not likely that most people on here are going to be looking for a new Griff but you do get the odd non-Griff owner who is searching for help on buying one and it may be of use. Ok, so the remarks are a bit alarmist and may bring other Griffs of the same age into question but this one does sound more distinctive than most.
Also, who's to say that just as it was written off the car is no good(it doesn't seem to take a lot of damage for the car to become too uneconomical to repair), it's up to the individual to do their checks at the end of the day, I know I would.
Also, who's to say that just as it was written off the car is no good(it doesn't seem to take a lot of damage for the car to become too uneconomical to repair), it's up to the individual to do their checks at the end of the day, I know I would.
joolzb said:
Also, who's to say that just as it was written off the car is no good(it doesn't seem to take a lot of damage for the car to become too uneconomical to repair), it's up to the individual to do their checks at the end of the day, I know I would.
I agree that it could still be a good car if it has been repaired correctly and has proof of that repair, but it is worth substantially less than a non-written off griff. Remember, the car wasn't written off as it was too expensive to repair, it was written off because it was too dangerous to be driven. Also remember that that information is not being given out by the vendor and will only come to light on the HPI check.
Every buyer has the responsibility to check their own purchases, of course, but every bit of info helps. If anybody is interested in a car that matches the aforementioned spec, take a serious look at its history and go in with your eyes open.
trooper you are obviously a moron with no brain....you have been trying to sell your nsx for ages...with no luck...i simply saw your post and thought i would reply,as have always liked those cars....but since you said your tvr was coming did not think you would reply...as presumed you already had one....BUT that does not give you the right to slag of someone elses pride and joy when you have not even seen it or had pictures...this car is great and i will be keeping it now i just wanted a 500 grif(dont we all)....i bought my car from birmingham...so not local to you....why come on this web site and start blurting info with no evidence.....do yourself a favour get your facts write before you start doing good deeds for the day.as believe me you can really piss people of by being a muppet...
beario said:
trooper you are obviously a moron with no brain....you have been trying to sell your nsx for ages...with no luck...i simply saw your post and thought i would reply,as have always liked those cars....but since you said your tvr was coming did not think you would reply...as presumed you already had one....BUT that does not give you the right to slag of someone elses pride and joy when you have not even seen it or had pictures...this car is great and i will be keeping it now i just wanted a 500 grif(dont we all)....i bought my car from birmingham...so not local to you....why come on this web site and start blurting info with no evidence.....do yourself a favour get your facts write before you start doing good deeds for the day.as believe me you can really piss people of by being a muppet...
I wondered when you'd turn up...
You just wanted a 500 griff, yet wanted to trade your car in against my NSX? That doesn't make sense.
Are you willing to state on here that your car is not a category C write off? That it wasn't offered to TVR-Mads 2 months ago without mention of it being a write off. That it hasn't had its autotrader adverts repealed.
If you are, then I will publically apologise on here as it is obvious there are two identical TVRs out there, one with a chequered past and one without.
As to your email, no i don't "know who you are" and I don't particulary want to meet you "real soon".
i have owned this car five weeks...and what the hell does it have to do with you...i have never ever advertised this car in the auto trader ever and only have only heard of tvr mad through a freind who bought a car from their,so please get a life..just one question why is it your mission in life to talk about this car,maybe i should pop up hemel ind estate and talk to you about it...
beario said:
i have owned this car five weeks...and what the hell does it have to do with you...i have never ever advertised this car in the auto trader ever and only have only heard of tvr mad through a freind who bought a car from their,so please get a life..just one question why is it your mission in life to talk about this car,maybe i should pop up hemel ind estate and talk to you about it...
You've only had the car 5 weeks? Then I personally apologise to you and make a serious recommendation that you take an in depth look at the history of your car. 2 months ago, one "extremely" similar to yours was being offered around as I detailed previously.
I hope you haven't bought a dodgy car
p.s. please don't send me veiled threats via email or on this forum, they are not appreciated.
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