Riding in the dark

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Sossige

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3,176 posts

264 months

Monday 15th September 2008
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I'd like to ask the more experienced riders here to share their thoughts about riding in the dark. I am fine with riding at dusk (I quite like it actually, feels good) and I am fine with riding in the dark if it's a main road, well lit - but I have to be honest and say that I don't particularly like riding in the dark in badly lit roads.

I find that instead of being able to alternate between scanning the road in front of you and looking to the vanishing point, that my focus is taken up by looking for clues as to how the road flows and that I am not able to scan the road closer to me.

I don't have any problem noticing something like a bit of debris in the road, but I find that in the dark, man hole covers and the like tend to sneak up on me, leaving me better off riding over them and praying, rather than a panicked last minute reaction.

Has anyone else been through this or is it all part of the course? Any advice to offer us newbies? biggrin

Cheers,

Soss

black-k1

11,956 posts

230 months

Monday 15th September 2008
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Riding in the dark, particularly on unlit roads, will always require that you take things a little slower than you would during daylight. This will give you more time to react to things (like man-hole covers) but riding over man-hole covers when relaxed and riding smoothly is actually not too bad and will definitely be safer/better than a panic stricken, stiff armed haul in the bars in an attempt to avoid.

A good headlight is essential with both a broad spread and good ‘distance’. Larger wattage bulbs or HID conversion are very worthwhile upgrades but do check if relays etc. are required. Most importantly, check that the headlight glass is clean as you will be amazed how much light can be lost but to a dirty lens.

When on the road, positioning is very important. You can use more of the road (assuming there is not traffic around you) as anything approaching you will be seen for some distance due to its lights. Using more of the road allows you to get more light around bends and thus to see that little bit further.

You should always ride according to what you can see and when it’s dark you can see less!

G Man

4,053 posts

261 months

Monday 15th September 2008
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black-k1 said:
Riding in the dark, particularly on unlit roads, will always require that you take things a little slower than you would during daylight. This will give you more time to react to things (like man-hole covers) but riding over man-hole covers when relaxed and riding smoothly is actually not too bad and will definitely be safer/better than a panic stricken, stiff armed haul in the bars in an attempt to avoid.

A good headlight is essential with both a broad spread and good ‘distance’. Larger wattage bulbs or HID conversion are very worthwhile upgrades but do check if relays etc. are required. Most importantly, check that the headlight glass is clean as you will be amazed how much light can be lost but to a dirty lens.

When on the road, positioning is very important. You can use more of the road (assuming there is not traffic around you) as anything approaching you will be seen for some distance due to its lights. Using more of the road allows you to get more light around bends and thus to see that little bit further.

You should always ride according to what you can see and when it’s dark you can see less!
Excellent post I try to pick the bike up early out of the corners because to the lights are designed for when you upright not banked and knee down light Rossi

Graham

16,368 posts

285 months

Monday 15th September 2008
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I've still not been out in the dark yet boxedinyikes

RizzoTheRat

25,220 posts

193 months

Monday 15th September 2008
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My headlights are st. I've added some cheapy additional lights but the only ones I could find that were a sensible size are fog lights, these give a really good spread of light but obviously not much distance. Great on narrow twisties, not so good on more open roads.

Hyperion

15,279 posts

201 months

Monday 15th September 2008
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My bike's OEM lights were awful, and riding in the dark was positively dangerous until I fitted a HID conversion.
With HID kits being so cheap now, they really are a no-brainer.
The difference is amazing, and you don't really need to change your riding habits once you can see where you're going properly smile

lawrence567

7,507 posts

191 months

Monday 15th September 2008
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My thundercat lights were absolute pants.
Even on full beam you couldnt see much.
The GSXR's lights are dazzlingly bright, i'd say standard beam on the GSXR is a shed load brighter than the full beam on the cat!
I quite like riding at night as it's a different challenge, only downside is getting dazzled by all the cage drivers who never drip their lights!

mitzy

13,857 posts

198 months

Monday 15th September 2008
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Went out on the VFR for the first time last week on the M Way. Felt fine when lit , bit it did feel rather odd in the pitch black. Have to say the lights are ok, but some good tips on here so will take that into account next time.

Taita

7,622 posts

204 months

Monday 15th September 2008
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I've got some phillips extreme bulbs in my SV. Tends to be the first mod everyone does.

Actually running on 1 bulb as the other one was smashed up in my crash, should have a new one on 25th biggrin

G Man

4,053 posts

261 months

Monday 15th September 2008
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Taita said:
I've got some phillips extreme bulbs in my SV. Tends to be the first mod everyone does.
yes

Reidy10_0

1,123 posts

205 months

Monday 15th September 2008
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Only if she is ugly.

black-k1

11,956 posts

230 months

Monday 15th September 2008
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G Man said:
Taita said:
I've got some phillips extreme bulbs in my SV. Tends to be the first mod everyone does.
yes
They are OK but are no where near as good as either more watts (try a 100w bulb) or, better still, HID.

Edited by black-k1 on Monday 15th September 14:01

RizzoTheRat

25,220 posts

193 months

Monday 15th September 2008
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Trouble I've got is the reflector is a rubbish pattern rather than lack of power in the bulbs. With 55W extra bright Phillips jobbies in it I get so much reflection off large road signs that I can't see the road beyond them, dread to think how bad it would be with HIDs.

mitzy

13,857 posts

198 months

Monday 15th September 2008
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So, what is a good site for these HID conversion kits then , anyone know ?


trumpet600

3,527 posts

232 months

Monday 15th September 2008
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Let's not forget using a clear visor as well.

Utter madness to wear tinted in the dark.

black-k1

11,956 posts

230 months

Monday 15th September 2008
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mitzy said:
So, what is a good site for these HID conversion kits then , anyone know ?
E-bay is a pretty good place to start.

You may also want to check out

http://www.hid50.com/

though they are a little on the pricey side.

Do remember that fitting an HID conversion (which I have) may leave you open to a Construction & Use tug from plod.

mitzy

13,857 posts

198 months

Monday 15th September 2008
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black-k1 said:
mitzy said:
So, what is a good site for these HID conversion kits then , anyone know ?
E-bay is a pretty good place to start.

You may also want to check out

http://www.hid50.com/

though they are a little on the pricey side.

Do remember that fitting an HID conversion (which I have) may leave you open to a Construction & Use tug from plod.
Will give him a tug back wink
Thanks mate , will check the site out.

Sorry, just been thinking about this, so if your taking steps to be seen more clearly, plod wont like it?
Is'nt this an inprovement to safety?

Edited by mitzy on Monday 15th September 15:06

kiwi_uk

279 posts

211 months

Monday 15th September 2008
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mitzy said:
So, what is a good site for these HID conversion kits then , anyone know ?
These guys are worth a look. They have a motorcycle section. About to buy the HID upgrade for my XT660X.

mitzy

13,857 posts

198 months

Monday 15th September 2008
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kiwi_uk said:
mitzy said:
So, what is a good site for these HID conversion kits then , anyone know ?
These guys are worth a look. They have a motorcycle section. About to buy the HID upgrade for my XT660X.
Who ?eek

TheForceV4

543 posts

188 months

Monday 15th September 2008
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Slapped some HID's on the R1 and last year me and my mates were out to the very small hours last year even on the twisties B6047 out near Melton tearing around albeit only on the sections we knew well from the day, its great fun! Watch out for damned badgers though!