Why do you want to move to Australia?
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big_rob_sydney said:
POORCARDEALER said:
thehawk said:
POORCARDEALER said:
Pal is over there, he is a joiner, he can earn better money here (well, he could), he reckons houses around Sydney are much more expensive than in the north of england
Why is that a surprise, did he really think that Sydney was full of waterfront houses for £90K?Please report to drug testing.
I'd expect a 4 bedroom house in Sydney would be 100% more expensive than one in Leeds.
El stovey said:
big_rob_sydney said:
POORCARDEALER said:
thehawk said:
POORCARDEALER said:
Pal is over there, he is a joiner, he can earn better money here (well, he could), he reckons houses around Sydney are much more expensive than in the north of england
Why is that a surprise, did he really think that Sydney was full of waterfront houses for £90K?Please report to drug testing.
I'd expect a 4 bedroom house in Sydney would be 100% more expensive than one in Leeds.
Never forget the economics of encouraging migrants, as was explained to me once by an Aussie banker.
Most migrants come from the UK with an average of £60k hard cash, once they have sold up. (figure might be more now, this chat was some years back)
Multiply that figure by the 15,000 PA that go to Oz. (Again, might be more now)
Thats a lot of money washing into your economy for no work done. A huge amount in fact. Try finding that extra GDP from your home grown industry every year.
Then look at the fact that over 5 years, 35% of all brits go back to the UK again, for good. Leaving this money behind in Oz, because they have spent it. Typically the ones who go back can't make a go of it, and go back skint.
Hence why the naughty, if understandable, myth that gets bandied around by vested interests of cheap housing, plentiful jobs, great healthcare, schools, etc etc. Housing is bloody expensive in a lot of Oz now, healthcare isn't free, the schools are as variable as the Uk, and if you have a 'trade' you earn traditional tradesmans wages, not the skewed wages you've earned in the Uk for the last 10 years. I personally know of more than one builder who can honestly claim to have earned a grand a day for the last 5 years, every day he has went to work. I wouldn't go to Oz expecting to earn that if I was a tradesy.
Most migrants come from the UK with an average of £60k hard cash, once they have sold up. (figure might be more now, this chat was some years back)
Multiply that figure by the 15,000 PA that go to Oz. (Again, might be more now)
Thats a lot of money washing into your economy for no work done. A huge amount in fact. Try finding that extra GDP from your home grown industry every year.
Then look at the fact that over 5 years, 35% of all brits go back to the UK again, for good. Leaving this money behind in Oz, because they have spent it. Typically the ones who go back can't make a go of it, and go back skint.
Hence why the naughty, if understandable, myth that gets bandied around by vested interests of cheap housing, plentiful jobs, great healthcare, schools, etc etc. Housing is bloody expensive in a lot of Oz now, healthcare isn't free, the schools are as variable as the Uk, and if you have a 'trade' you earn traditional tradesmans wages, not the skewed wages you've earned in the Uk for the last 10 years. I personally know of more than one builder who can honestly claim to have earned a grand a day for the last 5 years, every day he has went to work. I wouldn't go to Oz expecting to earn that if I was a tradesy.
POORCARDEALER said:
El stovey said:
big_rob_sydney said:
POORCARDEALER said:
thehawk said:
POORCARDEALER said:
Pal is over there, he is a joiner, he can earn better money here (well, he could), he reckons houses around Sydney are much more expensive than in the north of england
Why is that a surprise, did he really think that Sydney was full of waterfront houses for £90K?Please report to drug testing.
I'd expect a 4 bedroom house in Sydney would be 100% more expensive than one in Leeds.
t, sorry. I've heard of houses going in Granville for under $200,000. Given that the average wage in Sydney is closer to $60,000, this equates to a multiple of around 3:1.If your definition of a modest home is one of the McMansions costing around $400,000, fine, do your own maths. Or if your definition is of a harbourside mansion costing serveral million, again, do your own maths.
But a joiner can buy a house in Sydney easily today. Its just a question of suburb and quality.
Please, take these bulls
t comments and go back to wherever the hell you came from with them.big_rob_sydney said:
POORCARDEALER said:
El stovey said:
big_rob_sydney said:
POORCARDEALER said:
thehawk said:
POORCARDEALER said:
Pal is over there, he is a joiner, he can earn better money here (well, he could), he reckons houses around Sydney are much more expensive than in the north of england
Why is that a surprise, did he really think that Sydney was full of waterfront houses for £90K?Please report to drug testing.
I'd expect a 4 bedroom house in Sydney would be 100% more expensive than one in Leeds.
t, sorry. I've heard of houses going in Granville for under $200,000. Given that the average wage in Sydney is closer to $60,000, this equates to a multiple of around 3:1.If your definition of a modest home is one of the McMansions costing around $400,000, fine, do your own maths. Or if your definition is of a harbourside mansion costing serveral million, again, do your own maths.
But a joiner can buy a house in Sydney easily today. Its just a question of suburb and quality.
Please, take these bulls
t comments and go back to wherever the hell you came from with them.Edited by POORCARDEALER on Thursday 25th September 15:53
POORCARDEALER said:
big_rob_sydney said:
POORCARDEALER said:
El stovey said:
big_rob_sydney said:
POORCARDEALER said:
thehawk said:
POORCARDEALER said:
Pal is over there, he is a joiner, he can earn better money here (well, he could), he reckons houses around Sydney are much more expensive than in the north of england
Why is that a surprise, did he really think that Sydney was full of waterfront houses for £90K?Please report to drug testing.
I'd expect a 4 bedroom house in Sydney would be 100% more expensive than one in Leeds.
t, sorry. I've heard of houses going in Granville for under $200,000. Given that the average wage in Sydney is closer to $60,000, this equates to a multiple of around 3:1.If your definition of a modest home is one of the McMansions costing around $400,000, fine, do your own maths. Or if your definition is of a harbourside mansion costing serveral million, again, do your own maths.
But a joiner can buy a house in Sydney easily today. Its just a question of suburb and quality.
Please, take these bulls
t comments and go back to wherever the hell you came from with them.Edited by POORCARDEALER on Thursday 25th September 15:53
t.A joiner in Sydney can easily make $100,000 in cash jobs working for himself. Remember, the average wage is close to $60,000. Any half decent tradie can easily earn more than this, especially if they work for themselves.
If he cant buy a house with that, he has bigger problems.
And as I said, you can buy a house for under $200,000 in Granville. If you think taking 2 years to buy a house is too much, then maybe you need a reality check.
big_rob_sydney said:
That is complete bullst, sorry. I've heard of houses going in Granville for under $200,000. Given that the average wage in Sydney is closer to $60,000, this equates to a multiple of around 3:1.
If your definition of a modest home is one of the McMansions costing around $400,000, fine, do your own maths. Or if your definition is of a harbourside mansion costing serveral million, again, do your own maths.
But a joiner can buy a house in Sydney easily today. Its just a question of suburb and quality.
Please, take these bullst comments and go back to wherever the hell you came from with them.
Rob are you sure about that? How long since you left Sydney? For years Perth was the cheap city, now I believe on a par with Sydney.t, sorry. I've heard of houses going in Granville for under $200,000. Given that the average wage in Sydney is closer to $60,000, this equates to a multiple of around 3:1.If your definition of a modest home is one of the McMansions costing around $400,000, fine, do your own maths. Or if your definition is of a harbourside mansion costing serveral million, again, do your own maths.
But a joiner can buy a house in Sydney easily today. Its just a question of suburb and quality.
Please, take these bulls
t comments and go back to wherever the hell you came from with them.I live in the Eastern Suburbs ie a long way from the beach. Generally cheaper. $400K here would not buy a "McMansion" whatever that is, it would buy the house I'm currently renting (ex wife now owns my house...). This place is a VERY ordinary 3brm 1 bathroom with no luxuries at all. Currently on the market at $360K.
deviant said:
jeez $360K aint bad for Perth though!! The property market has stalled but average price is still up around $450-$480K.
Yeah but when I say ordinary... only thing going for it is a big shed. No heating no A/C, not insulated etc...My ex place was a nice big 4x2 with ducted air & heating, pool, lush gardens, 4 car garage under main roof with pit etc etc.. bitter? me?
Currently looking at moving, was looking at rentals in Kalamunda or Lesmurdie but our keyboard player is suddenly single and he's asked me if I want to move in with him. Might do it, haven't shared with a mate for years, and will save money as well as jamming every night
tim the pool man said:
big_rob_sydney said:
That is complete bullst, sorry. I've heard of houses going in Granville for under $200,000. Given that the average wage in Sydney is closer to $60,000, this equates to a multiple of around 3:1.
If your definition of a modest home is one of the McMansions costing around $400,000, fine, do your own maths. Or if your definition is of a harbourside mansion costing serveral million, again, do your own maths.
But a joiner can buy a house in Sydney easily today. Its just a question of suburb and quality.
Please, take these bullst comments and go back to wherever the hell you came from with them.
Rob are you sure about that? How long since you left Sydney? For years Perth was the cheap city, now I believe on a par with Sydney.t, sorry. I've heard of houses going in Granville for under $200,000. Given that the average wage in Sydney is closer to $60,000, this equates to a multiple of around 3:1.If your definition of a modest home is one of the McMansions costing around $400,000, fine, do your own maths. Or if your definition is of a harbourside mansion costing serveral million, again, do your own maths.
But a joiner can buy a house in Sydney easily today. Its just a question of suburb and quality.
Please, take these bulls
t comments and go back to wherever the hell you came from with them.I live in the Eastern Suburbs ie a long way from the beach. Generally cheaper. $400K here would not buy a "McMansion" whatever that is, it would buy the house I'm currently renting (ex wife now owns my house...). This place is a VERY ordinary 3brm 1 bathroom with no luxuries at all. Currently on the market at $360K.
Its not hard to do a check, there are LOADS of real estate websites.
www.realestate.com.au
www.domain.com.au
www.property.com.au
Just checking on Domain:
Here you go, just did a quick search, $284k for a house in Guildford. http://www.domain.com.au/Public/PropertyDetails.as...
Heres one in Granville for $279k.
http://www.domain.com.au/Public/PropertyDetails.as...
If I could be bothered to spend any time on this, I've no doubt I could find a bunch more, in Suburbs like Yennora, Chester Hill, Sefton, Bankstown, Lakemba, Wiley Park, Punchbowl, Belmore, and so on.
Anyone that tells me they cant get a house for much less than this posters mate, is completely full of s
t.You can see right here that houses can be had for under 300k. And these are just asking prices. By all means they could go for less.
As I said before, its a question of suburb and quality. If you want a waterfront mansion, you have to expect to pay more. If you're prepared to live in a working class suburb, then you'll pay less. There is no surprise to any of this.
Here you go, just did a quick search, $284k for a house in Guildford. http://www.domain.com.au/Public/PropertyDetails.as...
Heres one in Granville for $279k.
http://www.domain.com.au/Public/PropertyDetails.as...
If I could be bothered to spend any time on this, I've no doubt I could find a bunch more, in Suburbs like Yennora, Chester Hill, Sefton, Bankstown, Lakemba, Wiley Park, Punchbowl, Belmore, and so on.
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I lived in Sydney for 18 years and been here for 4.5 years.
For those who don't know, those suburbs are (almost completely) tips that any sane person would want to leave immediately. I am not going to go into the specifics but anyone from Sydney will know what I am talking about.
Try somewhere average and decent, as in where you would actually like to live and not aspirational Lotto wins, and you are looking at Parramatta, North Rocks, Carlingford...ie, heading northwest - definitely not South West unless you want to live in fear. "Fully sik bruv" and "my cuzzes are gonna come round" - insider reference to Sydney living!
I love living here in the UK - the people are great, I don't feel anywhere near as 'cautious' as I did back in Sydney, there is so much to do, the ability to live a decent life (comparing salaries on what the actual same job provides in both countries, not doing a £ = $ conversion) here is far above back 'home'. Most things are far more affordable than back in Oz.
When I am back visiting family, I look around and think "WTF" when I look at the prices of thing, what you can do and so forth - aside from the (few) major attractions, there is actually not a lot to do. Yes, you can have a 'weekend bbq' out the backyard with your mates over and talk about footy, cricket.....here, I can drive to Bruges for lunch (which I have done).
In Oz, you may want to drive up the coast for the weekend...you have two highways up there, on being a two lane backroad, the other being a 4 lane (2 each way) motorway designed for 150kph travel and which is policed to 110kph by the most draconian police force you will ever find, to get to Nelson's Bay, sit around at the bbq and then back home again. Do that a few times and you ask "is this it?". UK - where would I even begin. There is just so much and, if that is not enough, all of Europe on the doorstep and the United States 7 hours and £299 quid away!
Just on the police, I will say that there is no way the abuse that is handed out to police here would be tolerated back home. It would be a very very stupid individual who thought he could sqaure up to a cop, spit and abuse them and think that he would be getting off easy. I digress.
Overall, having lived in both countries, I don't want to ever go back - my wife gets homesick but I dread the thought of ever going back.
It is great for a holiday but that is about it.
Heres one in Granville for $279k.
http://www.domain.com.au/Public/PropertyDetails.as...
If I could be bothered to spend any time on this, I've no doubt I could find a bunch more, in Suburbs like Yennora, Chester Hill, Sefton, Bankstown, Lakemba, Wiley Park, Punchbowl, Belmore, and so on.
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I lived in Sydney for 18 years and been here for 4.5 years.
For those who don't know, those suburbs are (almost completely) tips that any sane person would want to leave immediately. I am not going to go into the specifics but anyone from Sydney will know what I am talking about.
Try somewhere average and decent, as in where you would actually like to live and not aspirational Lotto wins, and you are looking at Parramatta, North Rocks, Carlingford...ie, heading northwest - definitely not South West unless you want to live in fear. "Fully sik bruv" and "my cuzzes are gonna come round" - insider reference to Sydney living!
I love living here in the UK - the people are great, I don't feel anywhere near as 'cautious' as I did back in Sydney, there is so much to do, the ability to live a decent life (comparing salaries on what the actual same job provides in both countries, not doing a £ = $ conversion) here is far above back 'home'. Most things are far more affordable than back in Oz.
When I am back visiting family, I look around and think "WTF" when I look at the prices of thing, what you can do and so forth - aside from the (few) major attractions, there is actually not a lot to do. Yes, you can have a 'weekend bbq' out the backyard with your mates over and talk about footy, cricket.....here, I can drive to Bruges for lunch (which I have done).
In Oz, you may want to drive up the coast for the weekend...you have two highways up there, on being a two lane backroad, the other being a 4 lane (2 each way) motorway designed for 150kph travel and which is policed to 110kph by the most draconian police force you will ever find, to get to Nelson's Bay, sit around at the bbq and then back home again. Do that a few times and you ask "is this it?". UK - where would I even begin. There is just so much and, if that is not enough, all of Europe on the doorstep and the United States 7 hours and £299 quid away!
Just on the police, I will say that there is no way the abuse that is handed out to police here would be tolerated back home. It would be a very very stupid individual who thought he could sqaure up to a cop, spit and abuse them and think that he would be getting off easy. I digress.
Overall, having lived in both countries, I don't want to ever go back - my wife gets homesick but I dread the thought of ever going back.
It is great for a holiday but that is about it.
- wanders off to look at £10,000 ($AU23,0000) Maserati 3200GT's for a blast to Germany* yep, it sux here ;-)
Edited by XB70 on Friday 26th September 13:44
Oh, the Oz version of PH is www.performanceforums.com
There is heap of threads on cars and other things, including housing etc - it gives a very good picture of what PH'ers would be experiencing back in Oz.
There is heap of threads on cars and other things, including housing etc - it gives a very good picture of what PH'ers would be experiencing back in Oz.
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