930 Turbo: G50 vs. 4 speed
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i stand to be corrected but a G50 930 is a post factory mod. I have the 4 speed box. Agriculural and needs double de-clutching. Its got to the stage I would'nt have it any other way. In second you can hollor from 30 to 80 at frightening pace. Using it as a daily might tire you and your wallet.
930 1988
930 1988
If you need to double the clutch to change gear you need your gearbox rebuilt because it's shot. The four speed is a bullet proof gearbox, but yes it's quite antiquated with regards to the length between gears, the G50/50 that came as standard on the last year 930 (89) is definitely a better box, i doubt anyone would deny that, with a lot of work you can retro fit a G50/50 or the G50/52 from the 964 turbo, it requires cutting out all the torsion stuff from the rear and going with coil over suspension, you also have to fit a new peddle cluster as the G50 is hydraulic and not cable.
Mine has a 4 speed, it's fine and is good for the best part of 200mph, 60-130mph runs are good too as you only change gear once. As already mentioned choose the car on condition, if by chance it's an 89 model then great, if not but the car is tip top then don't let it worry you.
Make sure you do some reasonably quick gearchanges on the test drive, first to second and third back into second without any gaunching noise will say the box is ok, if it does crunch then it's a rebuild which is around £1k
Mine has a 4 speed, it's fine and is good for the best part of 200mph, 60-130mph runs are good too as you only change gear once. As already mentioned choose the car on condition, if by chance it's an 89 model then great, if not but the car is tip top then don't let it worry you.
Make sure you do some reasonably quick gearchanges on the test drive, first to second and third back into second without any gaunching noise will say the box is ok, if it does crunch then it's a rebuild which is around £1k
JBL930 said:
Make sure you do some reasonably quick gearchanges on the test drive, first to second and third back into second without any gaunching noise will say the box is ok, if it does crunch then it's a rebuild which is around £1k
TEE said:
I keep toying with the idea of getting a old 930 turbo. The last model generation had the g50 five speed instead of the 4 steed. Does it make a difference or not to go for that model or are any of the 1980's turbos fun?
TEE
Get one you will not be dissapointed, i have had two with the 4spd box and both had to be re built , the were notchy up and down into 2nd, i must admit they did feel a little quicker in 2nd than the G50. Very rewarding to drive as others have said. I enjoy the 930 LE turbo i have better than my old 993, it has 330 bhp 0/60 5 secs about 180 mph, not bad for an old girl.TEE
Edited by 911 Turbo LE on Friday 26th September 17:04
I have got a four speed, 87 model it suits the ratio of the car.Which is what a lot of people said in the books and magazines about the 930 turbo.End of the day each to there own, either way both very fast cars. I do not think about no fifth gear in my one.
The only problem, is finding a good 930 in the first place.
The only problem, is finding a good 930 in the first place.
Edited by SEE YA on Friday 26th September 17:45
JBL930 said:
If you need to double the clutch to change gear you need your gearbox rebuilt because it's shot.
i don't think i'll be sending it to the shop yet. 1st can be tricky when cold like wise third. Force of habit of driving older performance cars over the years has made me double de clutch and its no harm to the gear box. When the gearbox is warm she's fine...also that sweepco oil has improved it no end. I dont dispute she'll need a sho visit in time but the plan is to get the imagine package of the hybrid k27 and upgrade the heat exhanger etc. I'll do the lot then. I have a rear fabspeed single outlet exhaust box on her and she sounds the biz. It goes hard but there's always the desire for more. The comment my gear box is shot is far from reality on a 66k car.....I'll get a few more miles out of her yet. Sorry I got the G50 gearbox comment wrong..sorry ..I genuinely presummed all 930s were 4 speed.....dawww!http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w139/GASCU/1809...
http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w139/GASCU/2008...
Edited by Badboy930 on Friday 26th September 18:17
Edited by Badboy930 on Friday 26th September 18:23
"£1000 for a gearbox rebuild"?! Oh and the 'king rest!
If you can get a nice 1989 with its 5-speed G50 gearbox, hydraulically-operated clutch and coil-over rear suspension, then do that. (Plus it'll be a mere 'youngster' at only 19 years old!
)
But with the standard cams, turbocharger and 4-speed 'box, 2nd gear is good for 40-90mph (ideal for most overtaking on the road).. And doesn't take very long at all. (Particularly if your middlename is something like Ari Vattinen and you're happy to hold the car back on the brakes with your left foot.. Doesn't take much longer than 2 and a bit seconds.)
If you can get a nice 1989 with its 5-speed G50 gearbox, hydraulically-operated clutch and coil-over rear suspension, then do that. (Plus it'll be a mere 'youngster' at only 19 years old!
)But with the standard cams, turbocharger and 4-speed 'box, 2nd gear is good for 40-90mph (ideal for most overtaking on the road).. And doesn't take very long at all. (Particularly if your middlename is something like Ari Vattinen and you're happy to hold the car back on the brakes with your left foot.. Doesn't take much longer than 2 and a bit seconds.)
every day's a school day re the pics.
Drove around y'day and yeap the gearbox is notchy and a dog when she's cold but up and running fine, so no reason to to send it to shop yet. The old girl is on her original box(pardon the pun) with only 2 clutch changes in her 66k career, so she was obviously minded.I have it 6 months and orig reg was E241 MDX. I drive it like what she was designed to do but know I'm on for a 10k plus bill to have her right for another 10yrs. My 11 and 8 old boys have their eye on it all ready!
Drove around y'day and yeap the gearbox is notchy and a dog when she's cold but up and running fine, so no reason to to send it to shop yet. The old girl is on her original box(pardon the pun) with only 2 clutch changes in her 66k career, so she was obviously minded.I have it 6 months and orig reg was E241 MDX. I drive it like what she was designed to do but know I'm on for a 10k plus bill to have her right for another 10yrs. My 11 and 8 old boys have their eye on it all ready!
TJ930 said:
"£1000 for a gearbox rebuild"?! Oh and the 'king rest!
If you can get a nice 1989 with its 5-speed G50 gearbox, hydraulically-operated clutch and coil-over rear suspension, then do that.
As far as I know, no 930 has coilovers unless aftermarket - the first turbo with coilovers was the 964 introduced in 1991. If you look at the (lovely) 1989 LE pictures above, you'll see the access covers for the torsion bars under the rocker covers.If you can get a nice 1989 with its 5-speed G50 gearbox, hydraulically-operated clutch and coil-over rear suspension, then do that.
Edited by Fastlane on Sunday 28th September 09:46
Edited by Fastlane on Sunday 28th September 09:46
The reason i said a gearbox rebuild was £1000 is because that's what mine cost to get rebuilt, granted the engine was already out and it wasn't a complete rebuild, just new syncros and so on but it was £1k.
Oh and if a gearbox isn't working properly and you have to resort to doubling the clutch i think it's fair to say it's shot. You may well be able to still drive it and get by but it doesn't change the fact that it's knackered
Oh and if a gearbox isn't working properly and you have to resort to doubling the clutch i think it's fair to say it's shot. You may well be able to still drive it and get by but it doesn't change the fact that it's knackered
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