By the looks of it he got what he deserved
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and very lucky he's not in a coffin or has killed or seriouly injured another
http://www.sussex.police.uk/news_feed/index.asp?id...
http://www.sussex.police.uk/news_feed/index.asp?id...
Agree too. We've all done some of those overtakes on NSL roads but speeds in 40s and 30s were plain outrageous.
I personally would be steering clear of hatched areas a lot more than both the rider and the copper were, too. Far too much debris out there.
Copper also nearly came a cropper just as he was approaching the first dual carriageway section. Sneaked between a van and an oncoming car in a way that would have me kecking myself. You could see it developing and I was wondering how he let himself get in that position.
Despite the silly speeds in towns etc I didn't see the rider ahead making any errors on his overtakes? (dual solid white line overtakes excepted)
I personally would be steering clear of hatched areas a lot more than both the rider and the copper were, too. Far too much debris out there.
Copper also nearly came a cropper just as he was approaching the first dual carriageway section. Sneaked between a van and an oncoming car in a way that would have me kecking myself. You could see it developing and I was wondering how he let himself get in that position.
Despite the silly speeds in towns etc I didn't see the rider ahead making any errors on his overtakes? (dual solid white line overtakes excepted)
mi1ne said:
is the copper not "egging him on for a race" kinda thing?
is that allowed?
not that thats an excuse, hes the one in control and thats plain madness.
As you say that's never an excuse as the interpretation of the situation and the decision to go for it is always your own - this was confirmed by the bmw driving policeman who I suggested was egging me on some years back when I was younger and marginally more stupid is that allowed?
not that thats an excuse, hes the one in control and thats plain madness.
What a prize t
t - just goes to show that there are idiots on two wheels as well, giving others a bad name.
Had a chuckle when the police rider commented about the guys crap cornering - he probably told all his mates he was a great biker - and then reels of a constant list of all the offences he's committing.
Some offences we all have committed at some point, but (massively) speeding through villages? Idiotic. Overtaking on solid whites? Chances are the lines are there for a reason.
Impressed by the police rider's ability to keep up with him, be aware of other road users, and still deliver a commentary. He was definitely not 'egging' the other rider on, just shadowing what the other guy was doing, and dropping back at points.
Just goes to show the massive lack of awareness of the other rider - another bike, keeping a safe distance back, following your exact route for many miles and not trying to overtake you, wave to you, wheely past you would probably cause many to keep a check on their mirrors and tame their riding a bit.
t - just goes to show that there are idiots on two wheels as well, giving others a bad name. Had a chuckle when the police rider commented about the guys crap cornering - he probably told all his mates he was a great biker - and then reels of a constant list of all the offences he's committing.
Some offences we all have committed at some point, but (massively) speeding through villages? Idiotic. Overtaking on solid whites? Chances are the lines are there for a reason.
Impressed by the police rider's ability to keep up with him, be aware of other road users, and still deliver a commentary. He was definitely not 'egging' the other rider on, just shadowing what the other guy was doing, and dropping back at points.
Just goes to show the massive lack of awareness of the other rider - another bike, keeping a safe distance back, following your exact route for many miles and not trying to overtake you, wave to you, wheely past you would probably cause many to keep a check on their mirrors and tame their riding a bit.
Chabsy said:
Why did he not just nick him after the first minute or so, i cant believe him followed him letting him ride more and more recklessly.
If he was a robber would they let him keep robbing till they had load of evedence
Says in the article that his riding was so extreme that the normal stopping procedures were not appropriate. If that's how fast he rides on his daily commute imagine what he's prepared to risk if he knew he was being pursued.If he was a robber would they let him keep robbing till they had load of evedence
mi1ne said:
is the copper not "egging him on for a race" kinda thing?
is that allowed?
not that thats an excuse, hes the one in control and thats plain madness.
It says "Since Sussex Police took delivery of a number of unmarked bikes, the number of motorcyclists caught breaking the law on our roads has increased dramatically" ??is that allowed?
not that thats an excuse, hes the one in control and thats plain madness.
Not condoning the speed etc but I see two bikes doing the same.
dern said:
Chabsy said:
Why did he not just nick him after the first minute or so, i cant believe him followed him letting him ride more and more recklessly.
If he was a robber would they let him keep robbing till they had load of evedence
Says in the article that his riding was so extreme that the normal stopping procedures were not appropriate. If that's how fast he rides on his daily commute imagine what he's prepared to risk if he knew he was being pursued.If he was a robber would they let him keep robbing till they had load of evedence
I imagine a reckless motorcyclist being severed at the abdomen by a lamppost, or a roadsign.
Well if the copper was on an unmarked bike, that looks all the world to me like a road race, or at least the nutter in front was spooked by the biker behind chasing him, and tried to put some distance between each other.
After all, the copper was doing the same manoeuvres (overtaking on damp solid white lines, filtering against oncoming traffic at 70+ mph (this scared the st out of me, the cop squeezes through a tiny gap with a lorry coming the other way at speed at one point), 130 mph+ on dual carriageways, etc.) as the nutter in front.
The bottom line is that both were riding dangerously, the cop most certainly didn't sound like he was enjoying the ride (i.e. the question about 'why not stop the dangerous rider immediately'), he was reporting the various transgressions but there was fear in his voice quite a few times (as pointed out, the cop nearly came a cropper in multiple locations). So there's no chance about the cop 'egging him on' - since the cop didn't sound like he wanted to ride like a cock and was uncomfortable doing exactly what he did.
So what was going on? Why the need for the extended dangerous pursuit? Enough evidence on camera was taken (along with plate and enough picture of the rider to prosecute, I'd have guessed) within the first 5 minutes. Why continue to race the guy at the limit of the copper's abilities - and we all know that the cops have the best rider training and are probably the best bikers. I'd say from my limited experience that the cop was putting himself in danger there - there were a few points where quite frankly I thought he made a dangerous manoeuvre and, of course, on a busy road other people are involved.
If the cop was getting a kick out of having the race, then fair enough, there's the explanation, but the tone of his voice suggested otherwise. The open-road 40 zone stuff was OK (parts of those roads really shouldn't be such low limits, and both riders cornering at 60 on some of those bends at the start seemed 'non-dangerous' but illegal to me) but as soon as the nutter in front caught sight of the cop behind (again, was it marked or not?) he steamed off through built up zones doing crazy things. And the cop did the same. All the way out to the bypasses where the nutter left the cop for dead even though the cop was up to 130 mph.
Does anyone know whether the cop was on a marked bike? The text suggests otherwise, and cars didn't jump out of the way of the cop's bike which they would have done if it was marked... if he was on a marked bike, then the idiot in front got all he deserved since he definitely clocked the pursuer very early on - and if I saw flashing blues behind me on a ride then I'd pull over, not try to lose him (cops ride too well!). But the cop didn't use blue lights at any point, it looked like an extended observed ride to me - and a fking dangerous extended observed ride at that.
If the object of the exercise (and the release of the footage onto the internet as a video) was to make an example, and to publicise the unmarked-bike strategy of the police, then IMO this was incredibly irresponsible of the police management. One cop rider was asked to follow a well known (publicly reported on multiple occasions, so known to the police) road-racer, and put his own life in danger for a *very* long time. The cop's voice didn't sound too comfortable - and nor would I, the roads were greasy and half the time he was filtering / overtaking on white / hatched lines at high speed.
I feel sorry for the copper because this looks all the world to me like a publicity stunt. And that's even forgetting the risk that both these bikers were putting other traffic under. The risks the copper was taking were crazy, and he's got the best training possible.
Anyone contradict me on this, and say that the copper's moves were all safe? Why the hell would the controller put the copper on the bike in such danger? Or do you reckon the cop was enjoying ragging the arse off an unmarked bike free of prosecution? Again, his voice didn't indicate he was either exhilarated, or calm and controlled, he sounded flustered as hell and having to focus like hell to keep up... which from a top-trained rider means he was beyond the safe limits.
After all, the copper was doing the same manoeuvres (overtaking on damp solid white lines, filtering against oncoming traffic at 70+ mph (this scared the s
t out of me, the cop squeezes through a tiny gap with a lorry coming the other way at speed at one point), 130 mph+ on dual carriageways, etc.) as the nutter in front.The bottom line is that both were riding dangerously, the cop most certainly didn't sound like he was enjoying the ride (i.e. the question about 'why not stop the dangerous rider immediately'), he was reporting the various transgressions but there was fear in his voice quite a few times (as pointed out, the cop nearly came a cropper in multiple locations). So there's no chance about the cop 'egging him on' - since the cop didn't sound like he wanted to ride like a cock and was uncomfortable doing exactly what he did.
So what was going on? Why the need for the extended dangerous pursuit? Enough evidence on camera was taken (along with plate and enough picture of the rider to prosecute, I'd have guessed) within the first 5 minutes. Why continue to race the guy at the limit of the copper's abilities - and we all know that the cops have the best rider training and are probably the best bikers. I'd say from my limited experience that the cop was putting himself in danger there - there were a few points where quite frankly I thought he made a dangerous manoeuvre and, of course, on a busy road other people are involved.
If the cop was getting a kick out of having the race, then fair enough, there's the explanation, but the tone of his voice suggested otherwise. The open-road 40 zone stuff was OK (parts of those roads really shouldn't be such low limits, and both riders cornering at 60 on some of those bends at the start seemed 'non-dangerous' but illegal to me) but as soon as the nutter in front caught sight of the cop behind (again, was it marked or not?) he steamed off through built up zones doing crazy things. And the cop did the same. All the way out to the bypasses where the nutter left the cop for dead even though the cop was up to 130 mph.
Does anyone know whether the cop was on a marked bike? The text suggests otherwise, and cars didn't jump out of the way of the cop's bike which they would have done if it was marked... if he was on a marked bike, then the idiot in front got all he deserved since he definitely clocked the pursuer very early on - and if I saw flashing blues behind me on a ride then I'd pull over, not try to lose him (cops ride too well!). But the cop didn't use blue lights at any point, it looked like an extended observed ride to me - and a f
king dangerous extended observed ride at that.If the object of the exercise (and the release of the footage onto the internet as a video) was to make an example, and to publicise the unmarked-bike strategy of the police, then IMO this was incredibly irresponsible of the police management. One cop rider was asked to follow a well known (publicly reported on multiple occasions, so known to the police) road-racer, and put his own life in danger for a *very* long time. The cop's voice didn't sound too comfortable - and nor would I, the roads were greasy and half the time he was filtering / overtaking on white / hatched lines at high speed.
I feel sorry for the copper because this looks all the world to me like a publicity stunt. And that's even forgetting the risk that both these bikers were putting other traffic under. The risks the copper was taking were crazy, and he's got the best training possible.
Anyone contradict me on this, and say that the copper's moves were all safe? Why the hell would the controller put the copper on the bike in such danger? Or do you reckon the cop was enjoying ragging the arse off an unmarked bike free of prosecution? Again, his voice didn't indicate he was either exhilarated, or calm and controlled, he sounded flustered as hell and having to focus like hell to keep up... which from a top-trained rider means he was beyond the safe limits.
Didn't think he sounded scared at any point, but then again he wasn't exactly enthusiastic.
Agreed they could have called him off after a few minutes, plenty enough to convict there.
I assumed the plod rider was waiting to be called off. I am slightly surprised he didn't make his own judgement call sooner, either to reduce risk to the public or to prevent matters escalating even further.
Worth noting that there were a couple of edits in the footage, too, where he was catching back up to the rider, so the actual chase went on even longer than what we see on film there.
Not sure about the local constabulary using this as PR, but wonder if they were making completely certain that they had a large amount of damning footage of the rider to ensure a conviction.
Maybe the logic is that a couple of minutes can be dismissed as an indiscretion, a 20 minute ride shows calculated and repeated disregard for limits, road rules, public safety etc, so the conviction would be either more secure and / or more severe as a result?
Agreed they could have called him off after a few minutes, plenty enough to convict there.
I assumed the plod rider was waiting to be called off. I am slightly surprised he didn't make his own judgement call sooner, either to reduce risk to the public or to prevent matters escalating even further.
Worth noting that there were a couple of edits in the footage, too, where he was catching back up to the rider, so the actual chase went on even longer than what we see on film there.
Not sure about the local constabulary using this as PR, but wonder if they were making completely certain that they had a large amount of damning footage of the rider to ensure a conviction.
Maybe the logic is that a couple of minutes can be dismissed as an indiscretion, a 20 minute ride shows calculated and repeated disregard for limits, road rules, public safety etc, so the conviction would be either more secure and / or more severe as a result?
FNG said:
Maybe the logic is that a couple of minutes can be dismissed as an indiscretion, a 20 minute ride shows calculated and repeated disregard for limits, road rules, public safety etc, so the conviction would be either more secure and / or more severe as a result?
That would be my guess.cyberface said:
Anyone contradict me on this, and say that the copper's moves were all safe? Why the hell would the controller put the copper on the bike in such danger? Or do you reckon the cop was enjoying ragging the arse off an unmarked bike free of prosecution? Again, his voice didn't indicate he was either exhilarated, or calm and controlled, he sounded flustered as hell and having to focus like hell to keep up... which from a top-trained rider means he was beyond the safe limits.
Do you think, for example, Rossi would be unsafe at those speeds? I'm sure he's not done police training. Saying they're the best trained and therefore the best riders is somewhat short sighted. maybe the words egging him on wasnt the best, what i was trying to get across was more the nutter in front thinking "oh aye, got a race on here" and would he have sat at that speeds & doing crazy overtakes etc if that bike wasnt behind him. not an excuse by any means, but would be interesting to know.
Xenocide said:
cyberface said:
Anyone contradict me on this, and say that the copper's moves were all safe? Why the hell would the controller put the copper on the bike in such danger? Or do you reckon the cop was enjoying ragging the arse off an unmarked bike free of prosecution? Again, his voice didn't indicate he was either exhilarated, or calm and controlled, he sounded flustered as hell and having to focus like hell to keep up... which from a top-trained rider means he was beyond the safe limits.
Do you think, for example, Rossi would be unsafe at those speeds? I'm sure he's not done police training. Saying they're the best trained and therefore the best riders is somewhat short sighted. The more road based training you have, the better you will be in general. Whether you start from being an imbecile or a very competent natural is immaterial, you will nevertheless improve the more you learn.
Those bikes were nowhere near their performance limits, being a Rossi is no advantage on a busy A-road. Being aware of how to perceive and anticipate traffic is what gets you there alive, and the more aware you are the faster you can safely proceed.
mi1ne said:
maybe the words egging him on wasnt the best, what i was trying to get across was more the nutter in front thinking "oh aye, got a race on here" and would he have sat at that speeds & doing crazy overtakes etc if that bike wasnt behind him. not an excuse by any means, but would be interesting to know.
Agree in general but in this case the police bike was there because of reports from local residents of repeated runs by this bike at excessive speeds through villages etc.So I think it's reasonable to assume he was doing it regardless of anyone else being around to play with.
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