Police cars exempt from Road Tax?

[Nedrick]

Plotloss said:

Hollywood Wheels said:

I love this place. Instead of arguing that Police vehicles shouldn't have to display a worthless piece of paper, you argue that calls should go unanswered because one is lost! Incredible. This place gets worse everyday. It's pathetic.

Whats pathetic is expecting people to labour under one law when the Police expect to exist under another.

No it isn't. Would you really want police not to respond to an incident because they did not have a FREE piece of paper stuck in the window. Seriously, bigger picture here. You are being robbed at knifepoint and the police have no vehicles due to a fleet admin error in not sending the NIL payment tax discs out on time. What would you want to occur?

No doubt opening myself up for 'they would not come anyway etc' rantings

[Oakey]

Hollywood Wheels said:

Nobody has said Police expect to live under another. The OP stated that the car that stopped his girlfriend had no disc. He has had it confirmed that it should have been displaying one, even though no tax is paid so it is in effect a worthless piece of paper. I would say that what IS pathetic is people being so bothered by that. People should be arguing that the tax discs for Police vehicles should just be gotten rid of. But no, this is SP&L, so it becomes just another page after page dig at the Police.

But if Joe Bloggs was driving about in his classic-road-tax-exempt car without displaying his disc / worthless bit of paper, and BiB should see this, he'd be getting a £60 fine would he not? Im sure one member here suffered this exact fate (although his was merely parked up outside his house).

Would be interesting to see what the response on here would have been had this thread been "Fined for not displaying my exempt road tax disc"

Edited by Oakey on Saturday 18th October 16:57

[Hollywood Wheels]

Oakey said:

But if Joe Bloggs was driving about in his classic-road-tax-exempt car without displaying his disc / worthless bit of paper, and BiB should see this, he'd be getting a £60 fine would he not?

Not from me he wouldn't. I told you earlier, we're not robots.

Here's what I think. Any vehicle that is exempt shouldn't have to display one. Do you not agree with this?

And yes, I would pull Mr Bloggs. Then we'd have a nice chin-wag and I'd have a drool over his car before shaking his hand and wishing him well.

[Oakey]

Hollywood Wheels said:

Oakey said:

But if Joe Bloggs was driving about in his classic-road-tax-exempt car without displaying his disc / worthless bit of paper, and BiB should see this, he'd be getting a £60 fine would he not?

Not from me he wouldn't. I told you earlier, we're not robots.

Here's what I think. Any vehicle that is exempt shouldn't have to display one. Do you not agree with this?

And yes, I would pull Mr Bloggs. Then we'd have a nice chin-wag and I'd have a drool over his car before shaking his hand and wishing him well.

Yes I would agree with that, unfortunately it's not the case and whilst I admire that you'd be reasonable about it, most of our local plod seem a bit over-zealous. Numerous people tell me it's because Blackpool is a 'training area' and new recruits are eager to look good to their superiors. Load of twaddle or would there be truth in that?

Edited by Oakey on Saturday 18th October 17:16

[vonhosen]

Oakey said:

Hollywood Wheels said:

Oakey said:

But if Joe Bloggs was driving about in his classic-road-tax-exempt car without displaying his disc / worthless bit of paper, and BiB should see this, he'd be getting a £60 fine would he not?

Not from me he wouldn't. I told you earlier, we're not robots.

Here's what I think. Any vehicle that is exempt shouldn't have to display one. Do you not agree with this?

And yes, I would pull Mr Bloggs. Then we'd have a nice chin-wag and I'd have a drool over his car before shaking his hand and wishing him well.

Yes I would agree with that, unfortunately it's not the case and whilst I admire that you'd be reasonable about it, most of ur local plod seem a bit over-zealous. Numerous people tell me it's because Blackpool is a 'training area' and new recruits are eager to look good to their superiors. Load of twaddle or would there be truth in that?

The only action most police take in respect of no tax is to inform DVLA with a CLE2/6.
DVLA then decide what action to take & all they are really interested in is hitting those who should be paying & haven't.
I still wouldn't take out a car with no tax displayed though

[14-7]

There's bound to be truth in that. They are training so need to know how to deal with nearly every event which means doing that task whether it be issuing a fixed penalty or just having a word with someone. Just because they give you a ticket doesn't mean they are a jobsworth. Also they won't be able to issue you with an FPN for no tax because the only teams that can give them are RPU and ANPR.

[Hollywood Wheels]

I don't know about your particular area, but in general newer PC's have a bit less discretion. They need to learn the ropes, and they can only do this by paperwork. I'm a street-duties instructor, and I always encourage them to put pen to paper. It teaches them how to write evidence. They may not care about the particular infringement being reported, but if they can write good evidence for a minor offence, it stands them in good stead for the big stuff. It also taeches them something more important, and that's how to handle confrontation. Again, this will prepare them for what I call "real Police work".

Anyway, I digress.......I'm glad that we do see eye to eye on the tax disc issue generally....

[Battenburg Bob]

Nearly six pages and still going!

[SWtsn]

going on about the police and one rule for one ive noticed cars come with free seat belts but most of the police are above meer mortals ruling and dont seem to use them

[Nedrick]

SWtsn said:

going on about the police and one rule for one ive noticed cars come with free seat belts but most of the police are above meer mortals ruling and dont seem to use them

For which they are exempt...as are hackney carriage drivers etc etc

[14-7]

SWtsn said:

going on about the police and one rule for one ive noticed cars come with free seat belts but most of the police are above meer mortals ruling and dont seem to use them

What a pointless first post.

You'll also find fire, ambulance and (as already stated) hackney carriage drivers don't need to either but thanks for your input.

[^Slider^]

Nedrick said:

SWtsn said:

going on about the police and one rule for one ive noticed cars come with free seat belts but most of the police are above meer mortals ruling and dont seem to use them

For which they are exempt...as are hackney carriage drivers etc etc

Really, who gives a st if the police are displaying a tax disk or not. I do not know any police officer that will stick anyone on for failing to display a tax disk. They will however if there is no tax in force.

If you haven't got any tax then you may well get stopped and spoken to, to ascertain why there isn't any rent in the screen, but a fine i doubt!

Edited by ^Slider^ on Saturday 18th October 18:30

[Anti Macassar]

Cat said:

Nedrick said:

They don't need insurance if a large enough sum is deposited IIRC

Anti Macassar said:

Police forces have to buy third party insurance from the most competitive insurer, or give security of £500,000 to the Supreme Court, as can anyone else.

Not trying to be pedantic but this is not the case.

The following groups are exempt from requiring third party insurance

• Crown vehicles
• Police authority vehicles
• Local authority vehicles
• Vehicles where the owner has deposited £500,000 with the Supreme Court

Cat

Police Authorities are separate and different from police force.

[Hollywood Wheels]

SWtsn said:

going on about the police and one rule for one ive noticed cars come with free seat belts but most of the police are above meer mortals ruling and dont seem to use them

Welcome to Pistonheads! Judging by your first post you'll fit right in on this forum.

[Brett928S2]

^Slider^ said:

Nedrick said:

SWtsn said:

going on about the police and one rule for one ive noticed cars come with free seat belts but most of the police are above meer mortals ruling and dont seem to use them

For which they are exempt...as are hackney carriage drivers etc etc

Really, who gives a st if the police are displaying a tax disk or not. I do not know any police officer that will stick anyone on for failing to display a tax disk. They will however if there is no tax in force.

If you haven't got any tax then you may well get stopped and spoken to, to ascertain why there isn't any rent in the screen, but a fine i doubt!

Edited by ^Slider^ on Saturday 18th October 18:30

Hi

I give a s***.....i don't care whether you have the piece of paper...

But I DO CARE that YOU ARE BREAKING THE LAW....which YOU are meant to enforce !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

How dare you expect us to obey laws that you seem to hold in contempt

The law is the law and it applies to BIB same as everyone else....

You don't want to break it, well damn well get out in your yard and check the cars and get the discs fixed ,,,,,,,,,,,,

All the best Brett

[Hollywood Wheels]

Brett928S2 said:

The law is the law and it applies to BIB same as everyone else....

You sound like bloody Judge Dread you idiot. Okay then. From now on, everyone who I see doing ANYTHING against the law will now be reported or arrested. Better?

[vonhosen]

SWtsn said:

going on about the police and one rule for one ive noticed cars come with free seat belts but most of the police are above meer mortals ruling and dont seem to use them

Thanks for that useful insight.

They of course do have an exemption in law from seatbelt usage, they don't for failing to display a tax a VEL.

[Brett928S2]

Hollywood Wheels said:

Brett928S2 said:

The law is the law and it applies to BIB same as everyone else....

You sound like bloody Judge Dread you idiot. Okay then. From now on, everyone who I see doing ANYTHING against the law will now be reported or arrested. Better?

Hi

Unless I am mistaken thats PRECISELY what the BIB do ?

You sure you are a Police Person ??

You say you will break the law and do not seem to know what Police Persons do?

Not a great encouragement to anyone thinking of joining the BIB

All the best Brett

[14-7]

Brett928S2 said:

Hollywood Wheels said:

Brett928S2 said:

The law is the law and it applies to BIB same as everyone else....

You sound like bloody Judge Dread you idiot. Okay then. From now on, everyone who I see doing ANYTHING against the law will now be reported or arrested. Better?

Hi

Unless I am mistaken thats PRECISELY what the BIB do ?

You sure you are a Police Person ??

You say you will break the law and do not seem to know what Police Persons do?

Not a great encouragement to anyone thinking of joining the BIB

All the best Brett

I think you've skirted around the point he was making.

Of course it's the polices job to enforce the law and report or arrest people breaking it but as soon as they do that you get everyone on PH saying that they are overzealous and should be doing something better with their time. Of course that's when members of the public have the one rule for me and one for others attitude but we won't go in to that. You just need to look through all the pages on S P & L to see countless posts of "got done for speeding but I wasn't hurting anyone so what's the problem, they should be doing something else instead of booking me".

[Oakey]

Going off topic for a second. Brett's posts make me laugh, it's the way he starts each post with 'hi' and a smile.