Injector problem?

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Craigc2

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Sunday 9th November 2008
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Cars been off the road for a month as im abit worried how much this is going to cost me in labour costs.

But looking at my problem it looks more and more a injector problem.

Car runs fine for about 5 mins Then after that Runs like a dog. Iddle's Lumpy/Splutters/and hardly any compression in 1st gear.

People fort it might been the lambdas so i changed all of them put my Cat back on. Still have the problem. There isnt any engine lights on.

Would a faulty injector show up on the engine diagnostics? As iv had a couple of checks from Citroen garages and they say nothing is wrong with it and too come back when the "Engine" light comes on (crazy Citroen)

Cars nearly 3 years old.

Would any reputable garage be able to sort this?

I have changed the cams. Would it be worth a shot of getting it done under warranty?

Mr2Mike

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256 months

Sunday 9th November 2008
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Craigc2 said:
hardly any compression in 1st gear.
This doesn't make sense, why would compression change according to the gear selected?

Craigc2 said:
I have changed the cams. Would it be worth a shot of getting it done under warranty?
I'm surprised that the cams would require replacement within 3 years, is this a common Citroen fault? As the car is still under manufacturers warranty you should let the dealers sort this issue out IMO, no point spending money on it if you don't have to.

Craigc2

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Sunday 9th November 2008
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Well if im accelerating it feels better! but when im just cruising in 1st 2md 3rd it Splutters all over the place.On over-run the Juddering stops.

The cams have been uprated to high lift cams.

Was running fine on the cams before this problem.


andy-xr

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205 months

Sunday 9th November 2008
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Whats the spec on the cams? High lift will make it undriveable at low revs

Craigc2

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Sunday 9th November 2008
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There not that high atall really just better than standard.

When cruising at 70-80 the car feels hesitant and engine feels like its holding back.

Cams have been on for over 6 months now and was running fine.


Craigc2

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Sunday 9th November 2008
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Sports Injection 1500 - 6500 8.53 8.53 240 Deg 10/50 50/10 I 110 Deg E 110 Deg 0.00 I 0.48mm E 0.35mm CF65

GreenV8S

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285 months

Sunday 9th November 2008
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Craigc2 said:
hardly any compression in 1st gear.
What does that mean?

Craigc2

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Sunday 9th November 2008
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My technical talk isn't good by the looks of it HAHA

Sorry..

It only happened once but when i was in 1st and tried to accelerate nothing was happening and the revs were only rising very slowly. Felt like it was running on 3 cylinders.

Which it probably was doing?


GreenV8S

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Sunday 9th November 2008
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So to recap, it's running a modified cam (but has been running OK with that previously), but now is intermittently running rough and down on power.

I suggest you fit a set of new plugs and see what state the old ones were in. Replace all the HT leads. This might solve the problem, but if not it's one less thing to cause trouble between now and the next service.

Did these symptoms come in suddenly or have they come in gradually over a few days/weeks/months? If the problem is intermittent, can you see any pattern to when they happen? Is it better/worse when the engine is hot, after you take it for a good blast and so on.

Craigc2

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Sunday 9th November 2008
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Its strange actually how it came on..

I filled up with petrol.. Pulled out the petrol station and Summin just went.. The revs would only go above a certain spot And i was getting lots of Spitting out the exhaust on over-run. I re-set the ECu and all was fine until it started happening again now the engine would cut out on idle. (being an automatic its hard to keep the revs up).

Took it to citroen and they said it was due to a dirty lambda. So they Cleaned that. all was good untill it happened again. I swapped Manifolds over (because i had a 4-1 de-cat on) So i fort it could be Affecting the lambdas. No change there unfortunately.

It Starts up ok Petrol is getting around when i start up but then once the engine Warms up, it goes into crazy mode.

Yea cams were Running lovely. And idled fantastic with very little lumpiness.

stevieturbo

17,269 posts

248 months

Sunday 9th November 2008
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You "fort" it could be affecting the lambdas ????


mmmmm Why not just get a competent garage to daignose the thing. It sounds like you've been taking it to fools to start with.
It isnt rocket science to monitor lambda output, and see if they are working.

As for the compression in 1st gear.....

Obviously you have no warranty on the car, due to the work carried out. So may as well find a competent garage, who can look at it and find the problem. Most main dealers dont have a clue...nor do they have a clue how to read diagnostic equipment.

But being French...god knows what could be wrong.

Craigc2

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Sunday 9th November 2008
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There has been trouble Getting a signal through to the ECU.

Apparently they cant gain access to the ECu programing.

Had the same trouble when i took it to get a re-map.


stevieturbo

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248 months

Monday 10th November 2008
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Well there would be one avenue to explore first...


perhaps a faulty ecu ? Wouldnt be the first time its happened on a french car

GreenV8S

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Monday 10th November 2008
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Craigc2 said:
It Starts up ok Petrol is getting around when i start up but then once the engine Warms up, it goes into crazy mode.
When you talk about things like 'petrol getting around' and 'low compression' it's hard to know whether that is actually what is happening, or you're guessing what might be causing the symptoms.

Are you saying that the problem doesn't occur when it's cold but comes in gradually as it warms up?

Edited by GreenV8S on Monday 10th November 00:19

Craigc2

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Monday 10th November 2008
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GreenV8S said:
Craigc2 said:
It Starts up ok Petrol is getting around when i start up but then once the engine Warms up, it goes into crazy mode.
Are you saying that the problem doesn't occur when it's cold but comes in gradually as it warms up?

Edited by GreenV8S on Monday 10th November 00:19
correct..That is exactly what happens.

Im guessing and just looking at other peoples problems.

Funny the engine light isnt on though if its a sensor though?

Pigeon

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247 months

Monday 10th November 2008
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Craigc2 said:
Its strange actually how it came on..

I filled up with petrol.. Pulled out the petrol station and Summin just went..
st in the fuel system... water in the fuel, dirt in the filter, piece of cack blocking fuel pickup in tank possibly...

GreenV8S

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285 months

Monday 10th November 2008
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Craigc2 said:
GreenV8S said:
Are you saying that the problem doesn't occur when it's cold but comes in gradually as it warms up?
correct..That is exactly what happens.
I suggest you locate the coolant temp sender, find what it's characteristics are supposed to be, and test it. It will almost certainly be a simple thermister with resistance dropping with temperature, so find what the resistance is at (say) 20C and 80C and see if they are sensible and match up with the manufacturers spec. The ideal way to test it is be disconnecting the ECU and measuring resistance across the corresponding pins, if you can find out what the ECU connector pin-outs are.

stevieturbo

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248 months

Monday 10th November 2008
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Craigc2 said:
Funny the engine light isnt on though if its a sensor though?
Nothing funny about it. There can be dozens of problems that wouldnt throw a fault light.

andy-xr

13,204 posts

205 months

Monday 10th November 2008
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Like the bulb being taken out, as one was on an old car of mine

Craigc2

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Monday 10th November 2008
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Thanks for the help guys..

Think ill try another Citroen garage. If not give a Indy a go =)