Car scrapping incentive
Discussion
http://www.parkers.co.uk/News/Motoring-Costs/Car-s...
Interesting reading this - it would certainly help get rid of the s
t boxes we have on the roads.
This is a choice policy so classic cars would not be impacted in any way or if your P&J is a clapped out Cavalier 1.4L then thats fine BUT it gives the vast majority of old car owners a sensible choice.
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Interesting reading this - it would certainly help get rid of the s
t boxes we have on the roads.This is a choice policy so classic cars would not be impacted in any way or if your P&J is a clapped out Cavalier 1.4L then thats fine BUT it gives the vast majority of old car owners a sensible choice.
Views.
Orangecurry said:
Greeks have the best system - incentive to scrap BUT not tied to buying 'new'.
Therefore it helps 2nd-hand values, and so props-up the whole system.
Id agree this would be preferable to me. It would certainly focus people's mind as to the cost of the repair vs car value i.e. is it economically viable & would certainly get rid of the dodgy MOT failures. In addition as older cars are less secure car crime would fall - but flip side I guess it would cause more break ins to the house to steal the keys.Therefore it helps 2nd-hand values, and so props-up the whole system.
This scheme will never get rid of the very bottom of the car food chain - all those rolling deathtraps that swap owners down the pub carpark for £50 a time. Often, the people running these kind of cars aren't going to be buying new no matter what, either because they'll never be able to afford it or because it would mean having to pay for tax and insurance too.
In any case, there are plenty of cars over 10 year old that are nowhere near ready for the scraphead - and that includes all four cars in our fleet!
In any case, there are plenty of cars over 10 year old that are nowhere near ready for the scraphead - and that includes all four cars in our fleet!
Even if allowed to buy secondhand, in only a couple of years you'll find that the £2500 incentive buys you a post-2001 car, which means paying most of it back in tax for anything decent, or getting an asthmatic puddlejumper like the Gubbermint want us to.
I'll stick with an old powerful shed worth less than the scrapping allowance thanks.
I'll stick with an old powerful shed worth less than the scrapping allowance thanks.
judas said:
This scheme will never get rid of the very bottom of the car food chain - all those rolling deathtraps that swap owners down the pub carpark for £50 a time. Often, the people running these kind of cars aren't going to be buying new no matter what, either because they'll never be able to afford it or because it would mean having to pay for tax and insurance too.
In any case, there are plenty of cars over 10 year old that are nowhere near ready for the scraphead - and that includes all four cars in our fleet!
I fully agree about the age 10 years is nothing perfectly fine cars at that age and even 15yo.In any case, there are plenty of cars over 10 year old that are nowhere near ready for the scraphead - and that includes all four cars in our fleet!
But your first point about cars swaping hands for £50 in the pub car park just would stop - reason (if you take Greece as an example) they would give you nearly £600-800 for it so you have a choice save up + the scrap Govt payout for your car then buy a £1.5k car run that until its dead then do the same again.
It would certainly sure up car prices
judas said:
This scheme will never get rid of the very bottom of the car food chain - all those rolling deathtraps that swap owners down the pub carpark for £50 a time. Often, the people running these kind of cars aren't going to be buying new no matter what, either because they'll never be able to afford it or because it would mean having to pay for tax and insurance too.
In any case, there are plenty of cars over 10 year old that are nowhere near ready for the scraphead - and that includes all four cars in our fleet!
I agree 100% with the above. Limiting this scheme to people buying new cars will not get rid of the dangerously unroadworth and uninsured death traps on the roadIn any case, there are plenty of cars over 10 year old that are nowhere near ready for the scraphead - and that includes all four cars in our fleet!
mat205125 said:
judas said:
This scheme will never get rid of the very bottom of the car food chain - all those rolling deathtraps that swap owners down the pub carpark for £50 a time. Often, the people running these kind of cars aren't going to be buying new no matter what, either because they'll never be able to afford it or because it would mean having to pay for tax and insurance too.
In any case, there are plenty of cars over 10 year old that are nowhere near ready for the scraphead - and that includes all four cars in our fleet!
I agree 100% with the above. Limiting this scheme to people buying new cars will not get rid of the dangerously unroadworth and uninsured death traps on the roadIn any case, there are plenty of cars over 10 year old that are nowhere near ready for the scraphead - and that includes all four cars in our fleet!
1 scrap value
2 scrap value + 2nd hand car allowence which is lets say no older than 10years old
3 ditto to number 2 but with cars of 5 years old
ops 4th - Scrap value + a new car allowence
Note as all the 2nd/new cal allowences would be CO/2 ratable you could encourage owners financially to opt for lower C02 vehicles - or zero for cars emmitting above a certain amount. That gives the buyer the choice.
What a load of rubbish. Its not about the age of a car, its about the condition. I have seen a 3 year Fiesta in far worse nick than my 10 year Bora. Why can't people get past the fact a car needs more than an MOT an service once a year to stay on the road for more than 5 years.
Its not an incentive people need, its education or better enforcement of the current rules.
Welshbeef, I think i remember you pushing for something like this last year in some thread. I appologise if its not you just something rings a bell.
Its not an incentive people need, its education or better enforcement of the current rules.
Welshbeef, I think i remember you pushing for something like this last year in some thread. I appologise if its not you just something rings a bell.
danrc said:
What a load of rubbish. Its not about the age of a car, its about the condition. I have seen a 3 year Fiesta in far worse nick than my 10 year Bora. Why can't people get past the fact a car needs more than an MOT an service once a year to stay on the road for more than 5 years.
The Greek system again is a winner - it's not age related.danrc said:
What a load of rubbish. Its not about the age of a car, its about the condition. I have seen a 3 year Fiesta in far worse nick than my 10 year Bora. Why can't people get past the fact a car needs more than an MOT an service once a year to stay on the road for more than 5 years.
Its not an incentive people need, its education or better enforcement of the current rules.
Welshbeef, I think i remember you pushing for something like this last year in some thread. I appologise if its not you just something rings a bell.
I stated that it wasnt compulsory & I fully agree that ondition is the most important thing - I also think that a car should have an MOT from day 1 & tread depth legal limit should be more but thats a different issue.Its not an incentive people need, its education or better enforcement of the current rules.
Welshbeef, I think i remember you pushing for something like this last year in some thread. I appologise if its not you just something rings a bell.
The point here is that the owner can choose what to do. You might have a mid 80's Metro in Gold with brown interior full of rust but MOTable and still want to keep it even though the repairs and market value of it would make it non financially viable to do anything but scrap it BUT you have the choice.
My current car is 12 years old, 16years old & the other 11 years old - all are certainly not in the scrap yeard condition far from it & could easily see them doing a good 8 - 15 years again. BUT there comes a point whereby the cost of repairing the car and the cars available for sale which are far newer plays on your mind and unless you have a classic you change at some point.
I agree on the MOT and legal tread limit.
The thing is we do have a choice at the moment, its all about living within your means. If you can afford the up keep of a car then fine, if not then don't drive or buy a newer car which is in better condition.
Who is going to fund this idea of handing out money for cars as way of an incentive for buying a new motor? It'll never come to light.
The thing is we do have a choice at the moment, its all about living within your means. If you can afford the up keep of a car then fine, if not then don't drive or buy a newer car which is in better condition.
Who is going to fund this idea of handing out money for cars as way of an incentive for buying a new motor? It'll never come to light.
Welshbeef said:
http://www.parkers.co.uk/News/Motoring-Costs/Car-s...
Interesting reading this - it would certainly help get rid of the st boxes we have on the roads.
This is a choice policy so classic cars would not be impacted in any way or if your P&J is a clapped out Cavalier 1.4L then thats fine BUT it gives the vast majority of old car owners a sensible choice.
Views.
What a complete load of bInteresting reading this - it would certainly help get rid of the s
t boxes we have on the roads.This is a choice policy so classic cars would not be impacted in any way or if your P&J is a clapped out Cavalier 1.4L then thats fine BUT it gives the vast majority of old car owners a sensible choice.
Views.
ks! The reason for the majority of 'st boxes' on the roads is that that's all some people can afford! If the best they can manage is a 100 quid old nail how the hell they gonna be able to afford several hundred quid a month financing a new one!?chrisr29 said:
Welshbeef said:
http://www.parkers.co.uk/News/Motoring-Costs/Car-s...
Interesting reading this - it would certainly help get rid of the st boxes we have on the roads.
This is a choice policy so classic cars would not be impacted in any way or if your P&J is a clapped out Cavalier 1.4L then thats fine BUT it gives the vast majority of old car owners a sensible choice.
Views.
What a complete load of bInteresting reading this - it would certainly help get rid of the s
t boxes we have on the roads.This is a choice policy so classic cars would not be impacted in any way or if your P&J is a clapped out Cavalier 1.4L then thats fine BUT it gives the vast majority of old car owners a sensible choice.
Views.
ks! The reason for the majority of 'st boxes' on the roads is that that's all some people can afford! If the best they can manage is a 100 quid old nail how the hell they gonna be able to afford several hundred quid a month financing a new one!?k me you didnt read that link at all did you??Greece pay £600-800 for scrap cars. If you have a car thats on its last legs and a big repair bill coming along you can scrap it and get one for maybe £1.5k.
Why are you suggesting anyone gets finance?
Note several hundred a month financing assuming HP is going to be a £10k used car. I'd say they should go for a £1-1.5k car & if your taken the time to read my posts I said save up so then scrap value + savings = far newer car and no big repair issue.
Mr POD said:
Why would you want to scrap a car JUST because it's old ?
I paid £40 for a 1985 car, and ran it for 3.5 years and 60K miles. I wish I'd kept it.
Thats the point you can choose to do so if you want to IT IS NOT COMPULSORY.I paid £40 for a 1985 car, and ran it for 3.5 years and 60K miles. I wish I'd kept it.
I guess many people are skim reading all the posts.
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