Morris minor v8 project good idea?

Morris minor v8 project good idea?

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lorne.elleby

Original Poster:

66 posts

179 months

Wednesday 24th June 2009
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Its possible, BUT is it a good idea?,
was thinking of a rover v8.

What would you recommend?
What complications would occur?

wombat172a

1,455 posts

184 months

Wednesday 24th June 2009
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Usual complications:

Alterations of bulkhead, gearbox tunnel & prop tunnel
Engine mount locations
What gearbox? I'll presume Rover v8 and Rover SD1 box, so you'll have to work out how far forward/back it will all fit so you don't end up with a gearstick in the middle of the rear seats.
Rear Axle? Austin A30 I've heard can be quite strong, and then you've got to consider how to mount that.

ETA:
And you're going to have to think about the front suspension aswell, the standard torsion bar stuff will be terrible so maybe graft front end suspension on from something else??

Also, it might be worth trying to get hold of a morris minor pickup, as they have a ladder frame chassis so are easier to work with. Although these are rarer and will probably end up with the Moggy Owners Clube lynch mob on you...

Edited by wombat172a on Wednesday 24th June 10:49

lorne.elleby

Original Poster:

66 posts

179 months

Wednesday 24th June 2009
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ive heard of a tr7 box fitting the R'v8 was not sure tho, the sd1 box would be the one i think.

rovermorris999

5,203 posts

190 months

Wednesday 24th June 2009
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It's been done. Ask on the MMOC forum or retrocarclub.co.uk.

Established 1984

1,237 posts

186 months

Wednesday 24th June 2009
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Putting a V8 in a car is NEVER a bad idea. biggrin





expense and complication is another matter

Mark A S

1,843 posts

189 months

Wednesday 24th June 2009
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Go for it. This has been done before, the most memorable MM V8 I ever saw was Nick Mann’s incredible version. He could drive it as well smile
http://photo.livevideo.com/photo/nick-mann-s-v8-mi...

fatboy b

9,501 posts

217 months

Wednesday 24th June 2009
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lorne.elleby said:
ive heard of a tr7 box fitting the R'v8 was not sure tho, the sd1 box would be the one i think.
They're the same box.

SystemParanoia

14,343 posts

199 months

Wednesday 24th June 2009
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gets my vote


Diesel Meister

2,044 posts

202 months

Wednesday 24th June 2009
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Established 1984 said:
Putting a V8 in a car is NEVER a bad idea. biggrin
Truth.

XJR40

5,983 posts

214 months

Wednesday 24th June 2009
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Sounds like a nice project, an awful lot of work though! I guess you'd end up with a modified Minor shell and having to change almost every chassis component.

jeremyc

23,647 posts

285 months

Wednesday 24th June 2009
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Sleeper stylee



stifler

37,068 posts

189 months

Wednesday 24th June 2009
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It will fit but there is a hell of a lot of work to do and you will end up with a very heavy front end, all power and no handling. There are far better engine choices for a Morris around (not dissing the RV8, just that the packaging will mean that you are driving the thing from the rear seats.)

Nissan 200sx engine will fit easily and will give good performance for not alot of weight. easily tunable too.
Subaru flat 4. Morris Minors were designed to have a flat four engine. I have measured this engine up before and it is (just) doable!
Cosworth V6 (scorpio) Very revvy, reliable and cheap.
S2000 engine and 'box. Nuff said.
MX5 engine and 'box. compact revvy, enough power to have fun but not overkill.

Personally I would think about trying to retain some of the handling by going with a lighter engine/'box combination. Out of those listed above the MX5 would be easiest, with the Subaru being the most difficult(but not impossible). Unless you want a drag racing special, in which case chevvy big block, 'charger and bottomless pockets. I tried to sell the idea of an MX5 powered one to my Dad and I came out with costings of just under a grand for everything including the donor vehicle. That was to do engine, 'box and rear suspension.


With reference to the torsion bar front end comments above, You could get a set of dampers with springs to put between the lower arm and the inner wing. The original damper will be useless by now and is only really there to be used as the top link. This is possible to do, My Dad designed all the series III kit when he worked at the Morris Minor Centre in Bath.

ajprice

27,649 posts

197 months

Wednesday 24th June 2009
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My dad saw one at a show a few weeks ago, the whole body was widened on it. I don't mean wide arches, I mean the whole body had an extra few inches down the middle from front to back. I'll try to get photos up.

stifler

37,068 posts

189 months

Wednesday 24th June 2009
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ajprice said:
My dad saw one at a show a few weeks ago, the whole body was widened on it. I don't mean wide arches, I mean the whole body had an extra few inches down the middle from front to back. I'll try to get photos up.
They all had 4 inches added in from manufacture. The design looked distinctly odd before. that is the "stripe" in the bonnet.

XJR40

5,983 posts

214 months

Wednesday 24th June 2009
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I've heard of folks putting the 1.4 K-series in before, probably more sensible but less fun than the V8...

Sam_68

9,939 posts

246 months

Wednesday 24th June 2009
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If you're serious, the man you want to speak to is PistonHeader John Beardmore.

Hell of an engineer; knows a thing or two about modified Minors and built his own, road-legal Reliant Kitten V8 at an age when many of us were still learning basic car maintenance.

stifler

37,068 posts

189 months

Wednesday 24th June 2009
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XJR40 said:
I've heard of folks putting the 1.4 K-series in before, probably more sensible but less fun than the V8...
Yeah, hadn't even thought about them. That or the zetec route. Reliable, cheap and plentiful.

There are so many easier options than the RV8.

Saab 2.3 turbo with an omega manual 'box. Would fit too. Reliable 450hp with the right mods.

Audi 5 cylinder engine. Very strong bottom end. Every engine mod has been done before so there should be plenty of knowledge around.

PPC magazine is doing a MKII escort with the saab engine. They are using a cut down volvo 240 axle. LSD as standard.

BoRED S2upid

19,731 posts

241 months

Wednesday 24th June 2009
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Does it have to be a Morris Minor?. Nothing wrong with creating such a sleeper but there are easier conversions, Capri for example.

shalmaneser

5,936 posts

196 months

Wednesday 24th June 2009
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jeremyc said:
Sleeper stylee


That charger is bigger than my engine!

smokin

XJSJohn

15,967 posts

220 months

Wednesday 24th June 2009
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I seem to recall that the Fiat Twin Cam engines / boxes were a very easy swap too, even down to engine mounts being the same!!!