Misfire under part throttle

Misfire under part throttle

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Paul V

Original Poster:

4,489 posts

278 months

Friday 19th December 2003
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My Griff 500 seems to have a misfire, I’ve changed the plugs and extenders, leads, cap and rotor arm but the car still feels rough when cruising on part throttle, if i floor it and every thing seems ok once the revs build up. The car feels better for changing the above but still isn’t quite right. Any ideas, would the ignition module cause this?

zippy500

1,883 posts

270 months

Friday 19th December 2003
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Maybe your coil. I had a mini once with similar symptons.

beano500

20,854 posts

276 months

Friday 19th December 2003
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You've done most things I've had done to cure similar over the years. Typically this has been rough idle, rough around 1600-1800revs and a little cough at 3,800-4200.

Interestingly I noticed yesterday a bit of hesitancy at 5,200-5,400. I suppose I don't go there very often though

The only thing you haven't mentioned, which I keep top of my list, is that the connectors to the ECU were badly corroded on mine and benefitted from a good clean up (we think a previous owner/selling dealer had the engine steam cleaned not a good idea). The likelihood of the ECU actually failing would seem to be low - I would have thought it was more likely to go fizzbang than play around - assuming it was previously behaving itself?

Paul V

Original Poster:

4,489 posts

278 months

Friday 19th December 2003
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I did change the coil about 5 months ago as the old one was leaking but have been told the Intermotor one I replaced it with isn’t a very good make so might go get a Lucas just to be sure.

The car was running ok but had a knocking noise, I had it rebuilt but once it was rebuilt it started using lots of oil, the company then fitted a new engine block as the old bores were too ovalled for the rings to bed in properly.

David Batty, being the top chap that he is has said he’ll check the car over for me but I was just trying to check the obvious stuff first.

I’ll check the ecu plug tonight but I think it was ok when I last looked.

Does anyone know what the timing should be at idle, I think at 4000 rpm it should be about 28 degrees, but I think I may be seeing a bit to much advance from it.

griffter

3,992 posts

256 months

Friday 19th December 2003
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If the engine's been removed/refitted then I should think the culprit is one or more of the many connectors to/from the engine electrics which has been replaced carelessly. In overhauling mine so far I have found:
duff injector connector (forced on wrongly)
fuel pump connector only clipped in with half the female spade (hard to explain, harder to imagine how anyone could do it and not notice)
dirt everwhere

Let Dave Batty have a look, otherwise it might be time to systematically check everything.

Paul V

Original Poster:

4,489 posts

278 months

Friday 19th December 2003
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The company who fitted the engine seemed to think everything was ok but it still doesn’t feel right.

I will take it to David Batty so he can check it over for me, but can’t get down till after Christmas so hoping to find the problem myself, still should be getting the bible for Christmas and a new tool set so will put it to use straight away

Does anyone know if there is a fault code reader available for the ECU?

siwes

347 posts

260 months

Friday 19th December 2003
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change the coil amplifier, sounds as if it could be breaking down
regards Simon

Paul V

Original Poster:

4,489 posts

278 months

Friday 19th December 2003
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Where is the amplifier?

shpub

8,507 posts

273 months

Friday 19th December 2003
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Either bolted on the plenum next to the coil or bolted to the side of the dizzy depending on which way the cows in Blackpool were pointed that night...

Paul V

Original Poster:

4,489 posts

278 months

Friday 19th December 2003
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I have a black module similar to the MG Metro one on the side of the dizzy, is that what I’m looking for? Does this mean the cows were North or South?

Ballistic Banana

14,698 posts

268 months

Friday 19th December 2003
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shpub said:
Either bolted on the plenum next to the coil or bolted to the side of the dizzy depending on which way the cows in Blackpool were pointed that night...


sure it was the cows though!!

shpub

8,507 posts

273 months

Friday 19th December 2003
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Probably. As for the cows this means they were pointing up. Tis in the bible and Christmas is not that far away.

Ballistic Banana

14,698 posts

268 months

Friday 19th December 2003
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Have you been at the mince pies and Brandy allready Steve

shpub

8,507 posts

273 months

Friday 19th December 2003
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Ballistic Banana said:
Have you been at the mince pies and Brandy allready Steve


No. Just getting ready for a day thrunging the Shopping trolley round Goodwood as it is the only TVR that isn't in bits. Haven't been thrunging for some time so getting all excited. 520 has the engine back but no gearbox. Cerbera has no rad and cooling system under the bonnet. Lies scatttered around the garage in boxes waiting for me to get round to fitting it.

Paul V

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4,489 posts

278 months

Friday 19th December 2003
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Steve when are you going to Goodwood?

Ballistic Banana

14,698 posts

268 months

Friday 19th December 2003
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proably Xmas day when no one else is about, if i went that would be the safest day, no one else to crash into.

Have a good one SH

BB

shpub

8,507 posts

273 months

Friday 19th December 2003
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Paul V said:
Steve when are you going to Goodwood?

Tomorrow. Easytrack day. 105 dB 20 cars only.

Paul V

Original Poster:

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278 months

Friday 19th December 2003
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I’ll look out for you, I’m going down to have a look as Trackdemon is taking his Mini Cooper S. You’re welcome to take me out in the Griff and show me what it can do if you like

shpub

8,507 posts

273 months

Friday 19th December 2003
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No problem. Just bring/borrow a crash hat. Just look for a blue Griff 500 that is dirty and muddy with some shopping in the back.

Paul V

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278 months

Friday 19th December 2003
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Will do

I saw you in the Griff a few years ago at Hethal, I was in the white S2 with the group from Kent.