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That was nearly as bad as when robin reid beat the s
t out of sven ottke for 12 rounds then got robbed on a shutout as well.
Reflects badly on the sport in general.
What a win for beterbiev!!!!!!!
Glad to see another of my hot amateur standout tips for the future come to fruition! !!! I wouldn't have bet on him blasting through cloud in two rounds after only five pro fights!!
t out of sven ottke for 12 rounds then got robbed on a shutout as well.Reflects badly on the sport in general.
What a win for beterbiev!!!!!!!
Glad to see another of my hot amateur standout tips for the future come to fruition! !!! I wouldn't have bet on him blasting through cloud in two rounds after only five pro fights!!
tuscaneer said:
That was nearly as bad as when robin reid beat the st out of sven ottke for 12 rounds then got robbed on a shutout as well.
Reflects badly on the sport in general.
What a win for beterbiev!!!!!!!
Glad to see another of my hot amateur standout tips for the future come to fruition! !!! I wouldn't have bet on him blasting through cloud in two rounds after only five pro fights!!
Agree on the Smith fight. Shocking.t out of sven ottke for 12 rounds then got robbed on a shutout as well.Reflects badly on the sport in general.
What a win for beterbiev!!!!!!!
Glad to see another of my hot amateur standout tips for the future come to fruition! !!! I wouldn't have bet on him blasting through cloud in two rounds after only five pro fights!!
Regarding Beterbiev. What a prospect!! "He twice beat Kovalev in the amateur ranks". That fact alone is worth noting, let alone what he did to Cloud.
STW2010 said:
Agree on the Smith fight. Shocking.
Regarding Beterbiev. What a prospect!! "He twice beat Kovalev in the amateur ranks". That fact alone is worth noting, let alone what he did to Cloud.
Oh mate, Google his amateur credentials. ......he's up there with the golovkins, tszyus, klitschkos and lomachenkos of this world. The amateur system in the old Soviet block countries for the last thirty years has produced some incredible fighters. ...they really have put everyone else to shame.....Regarding Beterbiev. What a prospect!! "He twice beat Kovalev in the amateur ranks". That fact alone is worth noting, let alone what he did to Cloud.
Just seen that promoter Dan Goossen has died. Thoughts with his family at this time.
It will be interesting to see how things pan out for Andre Ward now. Allegedly, the ongoing situation between him and Goossen, including the lawsuit, was a key reason behind his relative inactivity since winning the Super Six tournament. Leaving aside the unfortunate circumstances, I'd love to see Ward more active. He's one of the best fighters in the world and he's right in his prime now...it would be such a waste if he continues to fight as sporadically has he has over the last couple of years.
That said, even if promotional issues are no longer a hurdle, he still has the problem of being a 'who needs him' fighter. A bit like Guillermo Rigondeaux, he's a brilliant fighter but not a massive draw. It's a huge gamble for any of the other big names in the division to take him on but without it being particularly lucrative, in contrast to the situation with Floyd Mayweather. This is almost certainly the reason why Carl Froch has shown next-to-no interest in trying to set that fight up, even though it is basically the one glaring omission on his otherwise exemplary CV.
As a fan of Ward's, and of boxing in general, I just hope Ward gets to showcase his talents against challengers worthy of the name before his best days are behind him...
It will be interesting to see how things pan out for Andre Ward now. Allegedly, the ongoing situation between him and Goossen, including the lawsuit, was a key reason behind his relative inactivity since winning the Super Six tournament. Leaving aside the unfortunate circumstances, I'd love to see Ward more active. He's one of the best fighters in the world and he's right in his prime now...it would be such a waste if he continues to fight as sporadically has he has over the last couple of years.
That said, even if promotional issues are no longer a hurdle, he still has the problem of being a 'who needs him' fighter. A bit like Guillermo Rigondeaux, he's a brilliant fighter but not a massive draw. It's a huge gamble for any of the other big names in the division to take him on but without it being particularly lucrative, in contrast to the situation with Floyd Mayweather. This is almost certainly the reason why Carl Froch has shown next-to-no interest in trying to set that fight up, even though it is basically the one glaring omission on his otherwise exemplary CV.
As a fan of Ward's, and of boxing in general, I just hope Ward gets to showcase his talents against challengers worthy of the name before his best days are behind him...
Yiliterate said:
As a fan of Ward's, and of boxing in general, I just hope Ward gets to showcase his talents against challengers worthy of the name before his best days are behind him...
It is a bit odd that ward has failed to capture the Americans imagination (or wallet) whilst Mayweather, who is essential in the same mould as a boxer, has. Personality I guess, but the reality is no one wants to fight Ward, he's too good, he won't even knock you out so you can make excuses, he doesn't bring in the money and he won't travel, I'm not really convinced he's that interested in fighting Froch either, surely if he agreed to come over here and fight Froch he couldn't say no and it would be his biggest pay day by far.FredClogs said:
Yiliterate said:
As a fan of Ward's, and of boxing in general, I just hope Ward gets to showcase his talents against challengers worthy of the name before his best days are behind him...
It is a bit odd that ward has failed to capture the Americans imagination (or wallet) whilst Mayweather, who is essential in the same mould as a boxer, has. Personality I guess, but the reality is no one wants to fight Ward, he's too good, he won't even knock you out so you can make excuses, he doesn't bring in the money and he won't travel, I'm not really convinced he's that interested in fighting Froch either, surely if he agreed to come over here and fight Froch he couldn't say no and it would be his biggest pay day by far.All of which, to my mind at least, points to the contractual dispute with Goossen as being the dominant factor in what Ward has (or hasn't) done since his post-Super 6 shoulder operation. It will be interesting to see how things unfold from here.
9mm said:
How is Ward allowed to hang on to the WBA title aftercso much inactivity? Has he been given a deadline to defend the title?
Ah yes, the WBA and its unfathomable approach to world titles! I think Ward was originally awarded the status of WBA 'Super' Champion when he won the WBC belt from Carl Froch; IIRC the idea being that he's not obliged to make mandatories as frequently, given he has to do likewise for the WBC. Having done so, the WBA decided they now had a vacancy for a 'Regular' champion, the title eventually picked up by Mikkel Kessler. A bit later, the WBC stripped Ward of their title due to inactivity (they said they weren't supplied with sufficient evidence that injury was preventing Ward fighting), but despite only holding the WBA title, he still retained the status of 'Super' champion. In the meantime, Froch wins the IBF belt from Bute, then the 'Regular' WBA title by beating Kessler. Of course, the WBA couldn't raise Froch's status to 'Super' champion, despite now holding two belts, because they already had one of those (albeit one who was only holding one belt). As such, Froch became the WBA's 'Unified' world champion instead; although, to date, there doesn't seem to have been any notable endeavour by the WBA to get their two champions to fight and sort out any confusion. So, in summary, the WBA have a Unified champion that doesn't appear to be under any obligation to unify the WBA titles, and a Super champion who - on the evidence of only fighting once in 2013 and, in all likelihood, not at all in 2014 - doesn't appear to be under any obligation to do, well, anything really!
briangriffin said:
Fight pass advanced booking through matchroom. I wanted to do VIP for this one but the prices to rich for my blood this time.
To be honest, I nearly baulked at it also, but the card looks impressive, AJ v Sprott should be a great test for Anthony. Then Tony v Clev will be a barn stormerYiliterate said:
Ah yes, the WBA and its unfathomable approach to world titles! I think Ward was originally awarded the status of WBA 'Super' Champion when he won the WBC belt from Carl Froch; IIRC the idea being that he's not obliged to make mandatories as frequently, given he has to do likewise for the WBC. Having done so, the WBA decided they now had a vacancy for a 'Regular' champion, the title eventually picked up by Mikkel Kessler. A bit later, the WBC stripped Ward of their title due to inactivity (they said they weren't supplied with sufficient evidence that injury was preventing Ward fighting), but despite only holding the WBA title, he still retained the status of 'Super' champion. In the meantime, Froch wins the IBF belt from Bute, then the 'Regular' WBA title by beating Kessler. Of course, the WBA couldn't raise Froch's status to 'Super' champion, despite now holding two belts, because they already had one of those (albeit one who was only holding one belt). As such, Froch became the WBA's 'Unified' world champion instead; although, to date, there doesn't seem to have been any notable endeavour by the WBA to get their two champions to fight and sort out any confusion.
So, in summary, the WBA have a Unified champion that doesn't appear to be under any obligation to unify the WBA titles, and a Super champion who - on the evidence of only fighting once in 2013 and, in all likelihood, not at all in 2014 - doesn't appear to be under any obligation to do, well, anything really!
Have I understood this correctly? Ward currently holds no belts then.So, in summary, the WBA have a Unified champion that doesn't appear to be under any obligation to unify the WBA titles, and a Super champion who - on the evidence of only fighting once in 2013 and, in all likelihood, not at all in 2014 - doesn't appear to be under any obligation to do, well, anything really!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_super-middlew...
On Ward's page it shows that he is the WBA super champion and the Ring belt holder. However how can you defend the WBA super title? Surely if someone was to beat Ward then unless they were already a belt holder then they couldn't gain that status?
Yes, it's all bks. The most bksey thing about the whole bk sandwich is that fighters and their management pay huge sanctioning fees, the WBA being the worst for this.
I suspect very highly that the WBA would give me the super middle weight "special" world title if I stumped up a few £million$.
ks. The most bksey thing about the whole bk sandwich is that fighters and their management pay huge sanctioning fees, the WBA being the worst for this.I suspect very highly that the WBA would give me the super middle weight "special" world title if I stumped up a few £million$.
STW2010 said:
Yiliterate said:
Ah yes, the WBA and its unfathomable approach to world titles! I think Ward was originally awarded the status of WBA 'Super' Champion when he won the WBC belt from Carl Froch; IIRC the idea being that he's not obliged to make mandatories as frequently, given he has to do likewise for the WBC. Having done so, the WBA decided they now had a vacancy for a 'Regular' champion, the title eventually picked up by Mikkel Kessler. A bit later, the WBC stripped Ward of their title due to inactivity (they said they weren't supplied with sufficient evidence that injury was preventing Ward fighting), but despite only holding the WBA title, he still retained the status of 'Super' champion. In the meantime, Froch wins the IBF belt from Bute, then the 'Regular' WBA title by beating Kessler. Of course, the WBA couldn't raise Froch's status to 'Super' champion, despite now holding two belts, because they already had one of those (albeit one who was only holding one belt). As such, Froch became the WBA's 'Unified' world champion instead; although, to date, there doesn't seem to have been any notable endeavour by the WBA to get their two champions to fight and sort out any confusion.
So, in summary, the WBA have a Unified champion that doesn't appear to be under any obligation to unify the WBA titles, and a Super champion who - on the evidence of only fighting once in 2013 and, in all likelihood, not at all in 2014 - doesn't appear to be under any obligation to do, well, anything really!
Have I understood this correctly? Ward currently holds no belts then.So, in summary, the WBA have a Unified champion that doesn't appear to be under any obligation to unify the WBA titles, and a Super champion who - on the evidence of only fighting once in 2013 and, in all likelihood, not at all in 2014 - doesn't appear to be under any obligation to do, well, anything really!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_super-middlew...
On Ward's page it shows that he is the WBA super champion and the Ring belt holder. However how can you defend the WBA super title? Surely if someone was to beat Ward then unless they were already a belt holder then they couldn't gain that status?
ETA: Got that wrong; there's actually five - there's 'Undisputed' too! Maybe the most bizarre of all given the holder of that designation - Nonito Donaire - shares his WBA champion status with two other fighters at his weight and doesn't hold any of the other belts in the Featherweight division (including the 'Ring' title)!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_current_world...
Edited by Yiliterate on Thursday 2nd October 14:35
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