The **BOXING** thread

[tuscaneer]

FredClogs said:

spikeyhead said:

FredClogs said:

Was that a dig at our Frank? He looked good because he was fking good, only beaten by some very very good world beaters. If AJ has a career anywhere near that of Frank Bruno he'll do himself and the rest of he British Boxing public very proud.

It wasn't a dig at our Frank, more a reminder that AJ is on a similar path, but from some peoples posts have implied that he'd take over from Klitchko and rule the heavyweight division forever.

I've no idea how far he can go, and until someone troubles him we won't know. Bruno had a huge amount of talent amd perhaps the best ability to poleaxe people I've seen, but really struggled when the going got tough. Until someone makes AJ struggle then we won't know his potential.

I totally agree, AJ physically at least reminds me a lot of Bruno, and he certainly seems to have the heavy hands, they have very similar body types too, I'm not an expert but sometimes wonder if the boxers who are very well defined and muscular with low body fat could perhaps do with that extra layer of padding when the going gets tough.

i'm glad I brought Bruno up earlier now......I always feel aggrieved when people talk him down....as pointed out a couple of posts ago the guy was a fking beast for the first 3/4 of his career

I do fear that Joshua is almost TOO muscled for his frame when the time for 12 hard rounds comes

[Robatr0n]

philv said:

Im curious - does anyone actually like or respect Mayweather?

To my mind, he picks his fights to the extreme, fignts people he knows he can beat and then fights them again.
Dodges the real fights, hoping theyll go away or the other guy will go over the hill.

Does anyone think he would have done anything against sugar ray leonard?
Or hearns?

2 huge fights out there for him, but he continues to dodge them. Pac and khan.

I respect Mayweather as a fighter but I don't respect his persona. But then his business model has always been "If someone is talking about me, good OR bad, then it's better than them not talking about me at all".

As for fighting people twice, who exactly has he fought twice other than Castillo and Maidana who both gave great accounts of themselves the first time around?

I know this has been covered several times but to my mind, Khan is an easy fight and he doesn't deserve to be on the stage with Mayweather. I hope he gets the fight as it would be nice to see him take a big payday but after the first 2/3 rounds it'll be all one way traffic. The sad truth of the matter is that he just isn't accomplished enough and he certainly hasn't got the same kind of ring IQ which will see him getting comprehensively outboxed.

Just to be clear, I'm not a fan boy of any fighter and have huge respect for any fighter that climbs through the ropes. I'm a fan of boxing which makes me just as upset as the next guy that Mayweather and Pacquiao haven't fought one another but no-one can truthfully say they know who is ducking who. There's a lot that happens behind the scenes that none of us would be able to truely appreciate.

I hope they get past negotiations and that Mayweather can work with Arum after being screwed by him years ago. It's a shame that neither one of them are in their primes anymore but it's still the biggest and best fight to be made in boxing today.

For what it's worth, I believe that Mayweather would have won at any point. True, Pacquiao is more relentless, faster and hits much harder than Maidana but he doesn't smother an opponent but instead uses his tremendous foot speed to dart in, land punches and dart straight back out. Whilst he would have success, he'll be jumping into pin point right hands from Mayweather who then himself will get up on his toes and take the fight back to the centre of the ring. Let me clear on one thing though, it wouldn't be easy for either man. Pacquiao can box and he also possesses huge power in both hands so you can never ever rule the guy out.

As for fighting Hearns? Mayweather and any other Welter fighting today would get brutally knocked out. Leonard? Tough to call. Leonard was a sublime boxer but also viscous when he wanted to be. I'd go with Leonard by late TKO but I certainly wouldn't be surprised for Mayweather to give him a hard fought and competitive fight, possibly even winning a very close points win.

[FredClogs]

Floyd Mayweather is a sublime boxing talent, 47 wins, no defeats as a professional boxer, obviously I haven't seen most of his fights but the ones I have at welter weight I can hardly remember him taking more than a handful of square punches and I don't believe that's because his opponents were easy, I believe he has a speed of mind, foot and hand that is close to being unparalleled, trying to compare him to the likes of Hearns, Leanord, Hagler, Duran etc... is all a bit silly, I've not seen those fights since I was a boy on my pops knee (I'll check on the YouTube tonight) but I believe in terms of boxing skill and sheer unhittablilty Mayweather is the best ever. Of course to retain this he must stick to his word and retire whilst he has that speed of mind and foot.

[BillPeart]

FredClogs said:

Floyd Mayweather is a sublime boxing talent, 47 wins, no defeats as a professional boxer, obviously I haven't seen most of his fights but the ones I have at welter weight I can hardly remember him taking more than a handful of square punches and I don't believe that's because his opponents were easy, I believe he has a speed of mind, foot and hand that is close to being unparalleled, trying to compare him to the likes of Hearns, Leanord, Hagler, Duran etc... is all a bit silly, I've not seen those fights since I was a boy on my pops knee (I'll check on the YouTube tonight) but I believe in terms of boxing skill and sheer unhittablilty Mayweather is the best ever. Of course to retain this he must stick to his word and retire whilst he has that speed of mind and foot.

Except, to think that he could have knocked Sugar Ray Leonard or Hagler out, or avoided enough of their (far harder shots) not to be hurt is doubtful. Hearns could be tagged of course, but he'd have had to get through the height, reach, jab speed and sheer dynamite first. I'd back either of those three against him if all could be magicked to be at their prime at the same weight.

But do think he is brilliant and love watching him (don't get the boredom others feel) even if he is a grade one prick.

[Amirhussain]

tuscaneer said:

FredClogs said:

spikeyhead said:

FredClogs said:

Was that a dig at our Frank? He looked good because he was fking good, only beaten by some very very good world beaters. If AJ has a career anywhere near that of Frank Bruno he'll do himself and the rest of he British Boxing public very proud.

It wasn't a dig at our Frank, more a reminder that AJ is on a similar path, but from some peoples posts have implied that he'd take over from Klitchko and rule the heavyweight division forever.

I've no idea how far he can go, and until someone troubles him we won't know. Bruno had a huge amount of talent amd perhaps the best ability to poleaxe people I've seen, but really struggled when the going got tough. Until someone makes AJ struggle then we won't know his potential.

I totally agree, AJ physically at least reminds me a lot of Bruno, and he certainly seems to have the heavy hands, they have very similar body types too, I'm not an expert but sometimes wonder if the boxers who are very well defined and muscular with low body fat could perhaps do with that extra layer of padding when the going gets tough.

i'm glad I brought Bruno up earlier now......I always feel aggrieved when people talk him down

8:47 gives me goosebumps every time I watch this!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N3tGBgZJn2M

[dirty boy]

Amirhussain said:

8:47 gives me goosebumps every time I watch this!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N3tGBgZJn2M

You forget how good he was, McCall wasn't the greatest, but certainly no chump. Love our Nigel in the background!

[tuscaneer]

Amirhussain said:

8:47 gives me goosebumps every time I watch this!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N3tGBgZJn2M

I never get tired of watching that! that last round he's hanging on for dear life and my arse is nowhere near the seat every single time

[tuscaneer]

as for mayweather and all this "THE BEST EVER" ste........he's a great fighter but I can't see him living with hearns/leonard/duran to be honest. I personally find it a joy to watch sublime boxing skill I just find Floyd really frustrating in how/who he fights most of the time.

the best of all time has got to be ray robinson.and mayweather isn't even close. i's rank henry Armstrong above him too. willie pep, and (even though there is no fight footage of him) you have to look at what harry greb achieved in his career and slot him above mayweather too.

[dirty boy]

tuscaneer said:

as for mayweather and all this "THE BEST EVER" ste........he's a great fighter but I can't see him living with hearns/leonard/duran to be honest. I personally find it a joy to watch sublime boxing skill I just find Floyd really frustrating in how/who he fights most of the time.

the best of all time has got to be ray robinson.and mayweather isn't even close. i's rank henry Armstrong above him too. willie pep, and (even though there is no fight footage of him) you have to look at what harry greb achieved in his career and slot him above mayweather too.

Although!

We're talking changes in the sport over that time that are very difficult to quantify.

5oz gloves were not unusual pre-70s whereas 8 and 10s are now mandatory (unless certain circumstances apply)
Science and nutrition, the whole weigh in thing, it's a bit like F1 in that every single advantage has been sought in the rules and exploited to the max.

The shift from 15 to 12 rounds.

Not getting caught doing stuff you shouldn't? (Magarito and his cement hands?) Motta taking a loss for the gangsters (let's not pretend they didn't have an influence)

We'll always wonder Ali v Tyson etc. Fact is, they just need to beat the best of their generations.

[Yiliterate]

dirty boy said:

We'll always wonder Ali v Tyson etc. Fact is, they just need to beat the best of their generations.

And therein lies one of the key issues in assessing where Mayweather ranks in the list all-time greats; you can't even say, conclusively, he was the greatest of his era/weight because he never fought the one fighter who also vies for that title. Even if they were to fight now, it still wouldn't definitively answer that question as Manny is clearly on the south-side of his career (as, in fairness, may too be Mayweather...but the point still holds).

Edited by Yiliterate on Wednesday 15th October 20:36

[Yiliterate]

This is starting to look a little WWE to me:

https://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/blogs/the-pugilist/...

[Fas1975]

Yiliterate said:

This is starting to look a little WWE to me:

https://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/blogs/the-pugilist/...

That's from August. There's a newer one where Klitschko is minding his business on a paddle board, Briggs circles him in a boat, and ultimately creates a wave and dumping him into the water.

EDIT: Here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fnilcR5-YZQ

[tuscaneer]

dirty boy said:

Although!

We're talking changes in the sport over that time that are very difficult to quantify.

5oz gloves were not unusual pre-70s whereas 8 and 10s are now mandatory (unless certain circumstances apply)
Science and nutrition, the whole weigh in thing, it's a bit like F1 in that every single advantage has been sought in the rules and exploited to the max.

The shift from 15 to 12 rounds.

Not getting caught doing stuff you shouldn't? (Magarito and his cement hands?) Motta taking a loss for the gangsters (let's not pretend they didn't have an influence)

We'll always wonder Ali v Tyson etc. Fact is, they just need to beat the best of their generations.

yeah, you'd really have to transport the entire generation to modern times. the only thing you can say for sure is that the cream rises to the top. generally speaking the best with smaller gloves or poorer nutrition would still be the best if you suddenly gave that entire generation protein shakes or 10s to fight in.

I saw a documentary interviewing ali about Marciano. obviously they shared a ring to film the "computer fight" a few months before rocky died and the interviewer asked ali if he would have beaten rocky had they fought for real. ali was complimentary about Marciano saying that an old out of shape rocky still hit him hard enough to the body to cause welts all over his rib cage and that if they'd met for real it would have been a great fight. the interviewer pushed him to say who was better, Muhammad paused for a second before issuing this pearl of wisdom...." i'm the best of my times and Marciano was the best of his times. that's all anyone can ask of you, to be the best of your times"

[tuscaneer]

Fas1975 said:

Yiliterate said:

This is starting to look a little WWE to me:

https://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/blogs/the-pugilist/...

That's from August. There's a newer one where Klitschko is minding his business on a paddle board, Briggs circles him in a boat, and ultimately creates a wave and dumping him into the water.

EDIT: Here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fnilcR5-YZQ

the paddle board one is my favourite. fking hilarious when briggs starts shouting " is that funny?? I cut my foot!! is that funny?? I cut my foot!!" referring to the incident in the restaurant

[tuscaneer]

unsubstantiated but apparently wilder has TURNED DOWN an offer of $ 2 million for his title shot at bermane stiverne. if this turns out to be true he is a ducking of the highest order.

[Yiliterate]

tuscaneer said:

unsubstantiated but apparently wilder has TURNED DOWN an offer of $ 2 million for his title shot at bermane stiverne. if this turns out to be true he is a ducking of the highest order.

For $2m, I'd quite cheerfully allow myself to be found out!*

(*Not in that way!)

Edited by Yiliterate on Friday 17th October 12:27

[Amirhussain]

Promo for Saunders vs Eubank Jr
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=blCxqx3tn3A

[tuscaneer]

Yiliterate said:

For $2m, I'd quite cheerfully allow myself to be found out!*

(*Not in that way!)

Edited by Yiliterate on Friday 17th October 12:27

oh I don't know, I think I could handle a bit of ass-raping if I knew i'd get a 2 million quid Gregory peck for my trouble!!

[BillPeart]

tuscaneer said:

unsubstantiated but apparently wilder has TURNED DOWN an offer of $ 2 million for his title shot at bermane stiverne. if this turns out to be true he is a ducking of the highest order.

Or a deluded ego maniac who thinks he's worth way more than he is. If true, a fool.

[tuscaneer]

BillPeart said:

Or a deluded ego maniac who thinks he's worth way more than he is. If true, a fool.

Having seen footage of haye putting him over in sparring with a jab never mind the beating klitschko put on him I just can't understand why he doesn't take the payday. Stiverne will fk him up and he knows it. TAKE THE MONEY! !!!!!!! He's gonna lose anyway when be steps up......may as well get 2 million quid for it!