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sjc said:
Right that's the last time I'm gonna have the sound on with Jim Watts negative , contradictory b
kss in the background. Every fking fight is spoiled.
I watched it with the sound of (because we're away with the mother bin law and apparently she trumps me) and I couldn't believe my eyes when Jim's score card came up. kss in the background. Every fking fight is spoiled. As for the kell brook ppv next weekend mentioned above, I've decided to pay for it but largely on the other fights, lee Selby, Kevin Mitchell and Joshua would seem to be worth the money!
FredClogs said:
As for the kell brook ppv next weekend mentioned above, I've decided to pay for it but largely on the other fights, lee Selby, Kevin Mitchell and Joshua would seem to be worth the money!
I'd agree with you there. I thought it was a bad move to try and make this a PPV event with a headline fight that - on paper at least - looks like a routine defence, and even though Brook and Gavin are from the same country, without any notable 'bitter domestic rivalry' angle (unlike, say, Bellew-Cleverly). More than that, it's in the same month when fans have already shelled out for Mayweather-Pacquiao. However, though I'm still not 100% convinced it should be PPV, I think it will probably turn out to be decent value for money - in a way, its weakness (being the lack of an attention-grabbing headline event) could prove to be its strength, as it's necessitated a relatively strong undercard to justify making it PPV. And who knows...without any great expectations being placed upon it, the main event might just turn out to be an unexpected surprise. Certainly hope so; my mate has come up trumps on the tickets so I'm going to see it live!On to last night's fight...
Maybe I wasn't in the right mood or something (though I honestly can't think I was) but so many things about it got right on my flaming nerves! Of course Jim Watt's commentary grated but that's a given now; there was so much more besides. The infuriating inconsistency of Dirrell, looking like a potential world-beater one minute then sloppy and amateurish the next; DeGale's efforts to show his opponent in the best possible light by flailing around like a caveman during the times when Dirrell was in 'slickster' mode; Dirrell's corner doing a passable impression of the Keystone p
sing Cops; DeGale claiming he was going to fight like his life depended on it and that he was in the best condition ever, then looking completely gassed from the 7th onwards and doing basically next-to-nothing for nigh on a third of the most important fight of his life; some Canadian half-wit scoring it 117-109; the pundits banging on and on about DeGale making history by winning both an Olympic gold and a World title when the truth is it was but a minor footnote because though he might be the first Brit to do it (leave aside the Lennox situation), in the history of the sport there have been sodding dozens of fighters who have managed this; DeGale himself in the post fight interview banging on about this 'historic achievement' guff but failing to mention the 'Brit' part; then finally the dozy twonk of an interviewer concluding by saying 'the one thing you didn't mention though, James, was that you've now made history...' when they were the first fking words out of DeGale's mouth when the interview began!!!!!!!GAAAAAHHHHH!!!!!!!
Yiliterate said:
i couldn't resist trying that......it's not as hard as it looks believe it or not!...took a bit of practice thoughtuscaneer said:
Yiliterate said:
i couldn't resist trying that......it's not as hard as it looks believe it or not!...took a bit of practice though
Khan's bottle trick is similar to Federer's...in that it also didn't happen
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cTl3U6aSd2w
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cTl3U6aSd2w
9mm said:
How much more proof do people need that Khan isn't an elite fighter? Mayweather would beat him with one hand tied behind his back. Hopefully a rematch with Garcia can be arranged and that will be the end of Khan.
I didn't see it, was he not convincing? Danny Garcia is a great champion but he's not a welter weight and khan definitely is these days, I can't see that happening. 9mm said:
How much more proof do people need that Khan isn't an elite fighter? Mayweather would beat him with one hand tied behind his back. Hopefully a rematch with Garcia can be arranged and that will be the end of Khan.
Is it the day after an Amir Khan fight by any chance?! Ah yes, I do believe it is...!I really don't get this...what is it about Amir Khan that brings out such vitriol from people? Yes, he talks himself up and yes he's aiming to do as well as he can for himself, just like pretty much any other fighter in the profession...but there's something about Khan that seems to get way more flack than any other British fighter, other than possible Tyson Fury (who quite deliberately goes out of his way to draw that reaction).
Okay, Khan didn't look at his scintillating best, I think that's fair to say. But Garcia didn't exactly look stellar in his fight against Peterson either. Algieri got his game plan spot on in terms of maximising his chances of getting something out of the fight. He came in both extremely fit and physically big (perhaps surprisingly given not that long ago he was a Light-Welterweight) and with a gameplan to make the most of those attributes while making life as uncomfortable as possible for Khan. Despite that, though he had a few moments of success and Khan showed he still has some vulnerabilities, Khan was a level above him for most of the fight. In his last three fights, he's gone up against three different styles; slugger/brawler, slick boxer, and now pressure fighter, and he's found the answers to all three. And all three opponents were there or thereabouts at world level too; not journeymen.
Let's put it this way; to my eyes, Khan looked no less convincing in beating Algieri than Mayweather did against Maidana. As the old saying goes, styles make fights and Algieri and Maidana had styles to ensure Khan and Mayweather didn't find it plain sailing against them.
Yiliterate said:
9mm said:
How much more proof do people need that Khan isn't an elite fighter? Mayweather would beat him with one hand tied behind his back. Hopefully a rematch with Garcia can be arranged and that will be the end of Khan.
Is it the day after an Amir Khan fight by any chance?! Ah yes, I do believe it is...!I really don't get this...what is it about Amir Khan that brings out such vitriol from people? Yes, he talks himself up and yes he's aiming to do as well as he can for himself, just like pretty much any other fighter in the profession...but there's something about Khan that seems to get way more flack than any other British fighter, other than possible Tyson Fury (who quite deliberately goes out of his way to draw that reaction).
Okay, Khan didn't look at his scintillating best, I think that's fair to say. But Garcia didn't exactly look stellar in his fight against Peterson either. Algieri got his game plan spot on in terms of maximising his chances of getting something out of the fight. He came in both extremely fit and physically big (perhaps surprisingly given not that long ago he was a Light-Welterweight) and with a gameplan to make the most of those attributes while making life as uncomfortable as possible for Khan. Despite that, though he had a few moments of success and Khan showed he still has some vulnerabilities, Khan was a level above him for most of the fight. In his last three fights, he's gone up against three different styles; slugger/brawler, slick boxer, and now pressure fighter, and he's found the answers to all three. And all three opponents were there or thereabouts at world level too; not journeymen.
Let's put it this way; to my eyes, Khan looked no less convincing in beating Algieri than Mayweather did against Maidana. As the old saying goes, styles make fights and Algieri and Maidana had styles to ensure Khan and Mayweather didn't find it plain sailing against them.
te whose opinions of himself are out of sync with his abilities. Naz was another example - believed and claimed he was an elite level fighter when he was also just below top class. Khan wants a fight with Floyd for one reason only - the money. Fair enough, but the assertions that he is a great fighter with the tools to beat Floyd are just laughable. I'll be the first to admit I was wrong if he does it but I'll be placing the biggest bet I can on Floyd if the fight happens. Edited by 9mm on Saturday 30th May 11:47
9mm said:
You've answered your own question. Some people perceive him as a mouthy gobste whose opinions of himself are out of sync with his abilities. Naz was another example - believed and claimed he was an elite level fighter when he was also just below top class. Khan wants a fight with Floyd fir one reason only - the money. Fair enough, but the assertions that he is a great fighter with the tools to beat Floyd are just laughable. I'll be the first to admit I was wrong if he does it but I'll be placing the biggest bet I can on Floyd if the fight happens.
Looks like you've missed the point of what I've said then. Yes, Khan does talk himself up but not noticeably more so than any of our top fighters (with the possible exception of Fury) yet always seems to get way more flack than anyone else for it. To the extent that you (and not just you) are clearly itching to watch Khan get his arse handed to him by that humble, shrinking violet Danny Garcia and hoping that would then be the last we see of him!!!te whose opinions of himself are out of sync with his abilities. Naz was another example - believed and claimed he was an elite level fighter when he was also just below top class. Khan wants a fight with Floyd fir one reason only - the money. Fair enough, but the assertions that he is a great fighter with the tools to beat Floyd are just laughable. I'll be the first to admit I was wrong if he does it but I'll be placing the biggest bet I can on Floyd if the fight happens. Yiliterate said:
Looks like you've missed the point of what I've said then. Yes, Khan does talk himself up but not noticeably more so than any of our top fighters (with the possible exception of Fury) yet always seems to get way more flack than anyone else for it. To the extent that you (and not just you) are clearly itching to watch Khan get his arse handed to him by that humble, shrinking violet Danny Garcia and hoping that would then be the last we see of him!!!
I've no objection to fighters (or anyone else) talking themselves up if their ability matches the ego. I don't think Khan passes that test and I'd be just as critical of any other fighter. Fury at least remains unbeaten and is also clearly one sandwich short of a picnic, so provides a certain comedy value. Garcia is also unbeaten and my perception is it's his father who does the mouthing off. Froch talked himself up big time, as did Calzaghe, Eubank and Benn. All backed it up to varying extents in the ring but there's a particular status accorded to Khan which I believe to be out of line with his achievements and his talents. As I said, he's like Naz, just below top class.Yiliterate said:
Is it the day after an Amir Khan fight by any chance?! Ah yes, I do believe it is...!
I really don't get this...what is it about Amir Khan that brings out such vitriol from people? Yes, he talks himself up and yes he's aiming to do as well as he can for himself, just like pretty much any other fighter in the profession...but there's something about Khan that seems to get way more flack than any other British fighter, other than possible Tyson Fury (who quite deliberately goes out of his way to draw that reaction).
Okay, Khan didn't look at his scintillating best, I think that's fair to say. But Garcia didn't exactly look stellar in his fight against Peterson either. Algieri got his game plan spot on in terms of maximising his chances of getting something out of the fight. He came in both extremely fit and physically big (perhaps surprisingly given not that long ago he was a Light-Welterweight) and with a gameplan to make the most of those attributes while making life as uncomfortable as possible for Khan. Despite that, though he had a few moments of success and Khan showed he still has some vulnerabilities, Khan was a level above him for most of the fight. In his last three fights, he's gone up against three different styles; slugger/brawler, slick boxer, and now pressure fighter, and he's found the answers to all three. And all three opponents were there or thereabouts at world level too; not journeymen.
Let's put it this way; to my eyes, Khan looked no less convincing in beating Algieri than Mayweather did against Maidana. As the old saying goes, styles make fights and Algieri and Maidana had styles to ensure Khan and Mayweather didn't find it plain sailing against them.
Well said and a great analysis.I really don't get this...what is it about Amir Khan that brings out such vitriol from people? Yes, he talks himself up and yes he's aiming to do as well as he can for himself, just like pretty much any other fighter in the profession...but there's something about Khan that seems to get way more flack than any other British fighter, other than possible Tyson Fury (who quite deliberately goes out of his way to draw that reaction).
Okay, Khan didn't look at his scintillating best, I think that's fair to say. But Garcia didn't exactly look stellar in his fight against Peterson either. Algieri got his game plan spot on in terms of maximising his chances of getting something out of the fight. He came in both extremely fit and physically big (perhaps surprisingly given not that long ago he was a Light-Welterweight) and with a gameplan to make the most of those attributes while making life as uncomfortable as possible for Khan. Despite that, though he had a few moments of success and Khan showed he still has some vulnerabilities, Khan was a level above him for most of the fight. In his last three fights, he's gone up against three different styles; slugger/brawler, slick boxer, and now pressure fighter, and he's found the answers to all three. And all three opponents were there or thereabouts at world level too; not journeymen.
Let's put it this way; to my eyes, Khan looked no less convincing in beating Algieri than Mayweather did against Maidana. As the old saying goes, styles make fights and Algieri and Maidana had styles to ensure Khan and Mayweather didn't find it plain sailing against them.
9mm judging by your posts and tone, you clearly dislike Khan (and Naz for that matter) - I wonder why?
Benn was nothing like Naz. Fury & co, only when Eubanks used to bait him. Benn was all business & always gave HIS best, not great technically but all heart! TBH I don't think Khan really sounds off unlike Fury & Haye farce or just business?
Algieri, he is quite a tough cookie, he gave Khan a rough job last night & fair play to him! He was out skilled most of the time & when he did throw the right he was wide open, which Khan did not capitalise on, mainly because Khan was not settling his feet long enough, when Khan did get a bit involved Hill took him to task & made him do what he does best & box.
I cannot say that I disagree with 9mm about Floyd, I just cannot see Amir coming close to beating Floyd, not on last nights showing, in fact I think Floyd may even knock him out ... what a finale for Floyds last fight Lol
9mm you do seem a bit OTT towards Khan & Naz? TBH they are amongst our best boxers , they deservedly get our respect!
Algieri, he is quite a tough cookie, he gave Khan a rough job last night & fair play to him! He was out skilled most of the time & when he did throw the right he was wide open, which Khan did not capitalise on, mainly because Khan was not settling his feet long enough, when Khan did get a bit involved Hill took him to task & made him do what he does best & box.
I cannot say that I disagree with 9mm about Floyd, I just cannot see Amir coming close to beating Floyd, not on last nights showing, in fact I think Floyd may even knock him out ... what a finale for Floyds last fight Lol
9mm you do seem a bit OTT towards Khan & Naz? TBH they are amongst our best boxers , they deservedly get our respect!
Gerradi said:
Benn was nothing like Naz. Fury & co, only when Eubanks used to bait him. Benn was all business & always gave HIS best, not great technically but all heart! TBH I don't think Khan really sounds off unlike Fury & Haye farce or just business?
Algieri, he is quite a tough cookie, he gave Khan a rough job last night & fair play to him! He was out skilled most of the time & when he did throw the right he was wide open, which Khan did not capitalise on, mainly because Khan was not settling his feet long enough, when Khan did get a bit involved Hill took him to task & made him do what he does best & box.
I cannot say that I disagree with 9mm about Floyd, I just cannot see Amir coming close to beating Floyd, not on last nights showing, in fact I think Floyd may even knock him out ... what a finale for Floyds last fight Lol
9mm you do seem a bit OTT towards Khan & Naz? TBH they are amongst our best boxers , they deservedly get our respect!
Naz had ONE top class opponent fighting at his best in his entire career. He got absolutely, embarrassingly outclassed, so I wouldn't put him anywhere near the top of the best British boxers.Algieri, he is quite a tough cookie, he gave Khan a rough job last night & fair play to him! He was out skilled most of the time & when he did throw the right he was wide open, which Khan did not capitalise on, mainly because Khan was not settling his feet long enough, when Khan did get a bit involved Hill took him to task & made him do what he does best & box.
I cannot say that I disagree with 9mm about Floyd, I just cannot see Amir coming close to beating Floyd, not on last nights showing, in fact I think Floyd may even knock him out ... what a finale for Floyds last fight Lol
9mm you do seem a bit OTT towards Khan & Naz? TBH they are amongst our best boxers , they deservedly get our respect!
If we're crossing divisions, Khan has acquitted himself at a higher level far better than Naz did but I still maintain he falls short of the highest class. Top of the tree at his weight in the UK for sure, but to claim the status he believes he already has I'd need to see him avenge the Garcia defeat and beat Canelo and Cotto or equivalents. All would beat him up. Losing to Floyd wouldn't be a disgrace - everyone loses to Floyd. That's why he's so keen to fight Floyd next - a Cotto, Canelo or Garcia would derail any chance.
FWIW,I rate Brook above Khan (and streets ahead of Naz).
I respect all fighters but that should not be confused with slavish adulation. What other word would you use to describe Naz than gobs
te? I'm hardly an exception in holding that opinion. Khan is nowhere near as obnoxious but I don't like his communication style and that of his entourage combined with what I believe to be a laughably inflated sense of self-importance and boxing status. I admired Eubank as a boxer but that didn't stop me regarding the man as a total pillock.Gassing Station | Sports | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff