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amir_j

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3,579 posts

202 months

Thursday 10th December 2009
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Journos have seen it but had to sign to promise wouldn't release reviews yet, Gurdian advised they can say its not as bad as people think, and that other journos were positve afterwards.

Can't wait!!

The Hypno-Toad

12,289 posts

206 months

Thursday 10th December 2009
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Dances With Smurfs

Ferngully In Space

The Battle For Fraggle Rock.

FourWheelDrift

88,562 posts

285 months

Thursday 10th December 2009
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Team America vs the Space Fairies.


[spoiler]
Quiet, peaceful space fairies planet gets invaded because they have vast mineral deposits that Team America want and Team America won't pay for them, so they make the Space Fairies pay with their lives. Oh and some love interest.[/spoiler]

T89 Callan

8,422 posts

194 months

Thursday 10th December 2009
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The more of the trailers I see the more gash it looks.

Edited for retarded sentence structure.

Edited by T89 Callan on Friday 11th December 01:42

Eric Mc

122,077 posts

266 months

Friday 11th December 2009
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T89 Callan said:
The more of the see of the trailers the more gash it looks.
I THINK I know what you mean.

Good premise for a story - poorly executed - seems to be the general opinion.

Blue Meanie

73,668 posts

256 months

Friday 11th December 2009
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The thing is, that they say that you can't tell cgi, from reality in this film.. Well, I disagree... It looks completely cgi fest.

Matt_N

8,903 posts

203 months

Friday 11th December 2009
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Blue Meanie said:
The thing is, that they say that you can't tell cgi, from reality in this film.. Well, I disagree... It looks completely cgi fest.
Same here.

Luke.

11,002 posts

251 months

Friday 11th December 2009
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Getting amazing reviews so far.

http://uk.rottentomatoes.com/m/avatar/

rufusruffcutt

1,539 posts

206 months

Friday 11th December 2009
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Empire's review is in, some minor spoilers:

Plot
When his twin brother is killed, disabled ex-Marine Jake Sully is recruited to aid a mining expedition on the distant jungle moon of Pandora as only his DNA will bond with the alien hybrid body, known as an Avatar, that allows humans to breathe the toxic air. With orders to infiltrate the Na’vi, Jake finds himself falling in love with native girl, Neytiri, and complications soon ensue…

Review
Avatar is unequivocally, completely, 100% the film that has been percolating in James Cameron’s head for the last fourteen years. It is not, in all probability, the film that you had in yours when you first heard that the man who directed Aliens and The Terminator was returning to sci-fi with a movie so ambitious that he had to build the technology to make it happen. If you can let go of your version and embrace Cameron’s – if you’re not, in other words, one of those splenetic internet fanboy types who’ve apparently made their minds up about Avatar before seeing it – then Avatar is a hugely rewarding experience: rich, soulful and exciting in the way that only comes from seeing a master artist at work.

Let’s address the Big Question first: to use the key phrase so often used in connection with the movie, is it a game-changer? Yes, and no would be the cop-out answer, but it’s also the truth. Avatar employs technology necessary to render its largely computer-generated, 3D world that will give directors, including but not limited to Cameron, one heck of a sandbox to play in over the next few years. That’s how the game has changed off screen.

On it, it may not be a game-changer, but no director to date has built a world of this scale, ambition and complexity before, and Avatar – much as the arrival of Raymond van Barneveld forced Phil ‘The Power’ Taylor to up his game – will have rival directors scrambling to keep up with Cameron. Avatar is an astonishing feast for the eyes and ears, with shots and sequences that boggle the mind, from the epic – a floating mountain range in the sky, waterfalls cascading into nothingness – to the tiny details, such as a paraplegic sinking his new, blue and fully operational toes into the sand. The level of immersive detail here is simply amazing.

And Cameron plunges you straight in, not even giving you time to don water wings. In a dizzyingly fast, almost impressionistic opening ten minutes, we’re introduced, in no short order, to everything you need to know for the next 150: about Pandora’s climate and largely deadly population, about Jake Sully’s situation, about the Avatar programme and the ruthless plans of the human invaders (led by Stephen Lang’s Col. Quaritch and Giovanni Ribisi’s Selfridge, a clear nod to Aliens’ Carter Burke, one of several touches reminiscent of Cameron’s earlier masterpiece). And then we’re off and running, literally, into an action sequence where Jake-Avatar barely survives encounters with unfriendly local wildlife that would make Ray Mears cream his shorts.

And it’s here where Cameron begins the detour from the all-out actionfest that many might have expected, choosing instead to slow things down over a three-month time period in which Jake – hair and beard markedly growing in the live-action sequences – immerses himself in the Na’vi culture, and gradually finds himself losing his heart to their ways and practices, and, in particular, Zoe Saldana’s fierce warrioress, Neytiri.

The lack of a ticking clock plot device here may deprive Avatar of momentum or drive through its middle-section, but it’s also part of Cameron’s agenda. After all, he’s also the guy who directed Titanic, and Avatar isn’t just about spectacle and stupendous action (though we’ll get both in spades), but a love story. We need hardly be surprised by this – every Cameron film, even True Lies, has a love story at its core – but the surprise here is how effective Avatar’s central coupling is, the emotion between Jake and Neytiri earthed by Weta’s astonishing digital effects. You can safely stow away all that spurious crap about videogame-style effects, or blue Jar Jars: this is truly next-level stuff, which doesn't smother Worthington and Saldana under a pile of pixels, but rather teases out and enhances the emotion in their excellent performances.

The Na’vi, each of whom has clearly distinct features (no small feat for a clan of some several hundred creatures) may not always seem photo-real, but they do seem – and this is crucial – alive and extremely expressive, helped by the fact that the dead-eye problem, which has plagued mo-cap movies since their inception, has been well and truly solved.

Worthington, fully justifying all the hullabaloo about him with a controlled, charming and physical performance (both in and out of his Avatar), may have a magnificent Lee Marvin leading man monotone, but an even bigger asset is his soulful eyes, a quality that is retained and magnified in the larger peepers of the Na’vi. Jake and Neytiri’s burgeoning love is contained in the intricacies of detail in the eyes – a flicker of longing here, a widening of the pupils or a rolling tear there, that further aids the illusion that these conglomerations of ones and zeros actually exist. It’s a genuinely engaging relationship – just because they’re aliens doesn’t mean they have to be alienating.

Mind you, despite all the advances and groundwork laid, we might be not quite ready to see two CG characters effectively dry-hump each other. That’s just wrong…

But, as much as technology aids and defines Avatar, it’s also a love letter to humanity and the glory of mother nature. The analogy with the Vietnam and Iraq wars is obvious, but Cameron, in siding with the insurgents (hardly an all-American move, but then again he is Canadian), is also asking fairly complex questions about what it means to be human. “How does it feel to betray your race?”, Sully is asked at one point, but by then, Cameron’s point has been made: the humans here, Sully and an assortment of ‘good’ scientists, led by Sigourney Weaver’s Dr. Grace Augustine, aside, are the monsters; avaricious, rapacious, planet-killers. There’s never any doubt that Cameron considers the Na’vi to be more human – freer of spirit and emotion, more connected to the world around them.

At times – and this is perhaps Avatar’s biggest flaw, even beyond that bloody awful Leona Lewis song which mars the end credits – this manifests itself in New Age-y, hippy-dippy language and images that suggest that Cameron is one mung bean away from dropping out, man, and going all Swampy on our asses.

In truth, the big idea here, that Pandora is a giant mass of connected energy and emotional synapses, isn’t really all that far away from Lucas’ The Force, and works just fine in the context of a sci-fi fantasy, which Avatar undoubtedly is, but there’s a fair amount of unintentional laughter to be had from watching hundreds of Na’vi, swaying like extras from the Zion rave scene in The Matrix Reloaded, surrounding something called The Tree Of Souls and banging on about becoming one with Mother Eywo. If there’s one element of Avatar that the made-their-mind-up brigade will use to mercilessly beat the film with, even more so than the somewhat prosaic plot, it’s this.

But it’s hard to imagine even the most jaded and cynical having any issues with the last forty minutes, in which Cameron uncorks the action and shows all the young pretenders – the Bays and the Emmerichs and the Von Triers – how it’s done. The human attack on Pandora and the subsequent fightback, led by Avatar-Jake, is a largely sustained setpiece of quite staggering scale, imagination and emotion that manages to compress both the truly epic – a human attack on a Na’vi landmark that recalls 9/11 in its devastating imagery – and the thrillingly intimate, as Jake finally faces off against the excellent Stephen Lang’s Quaritch, a scenery-chewing bad guy so badass that he can breathe the Pandoran air without a mask.

It’s a relentless sequence which, while not quite matching the emotional punch of Titanic’s three-hanky conclusion, will still leave you dazed, confused but exhilarated, a feeling that will be enhanced further if you can - and we really, really recommend that you should - catch it in 3D, where Cameron’s unparalleled and meticulously constructed use of the technique expertly envelopes you in the beguiling, exotic sights and sounds of Pandora, a planet (or, to be precise, a moon) that throbs and hums and teems with life and energy in three dimensions.

It’s a world, not to give too much away, that Cameron clearly fully intends to return to and further explore. When he does, our bags are already packed.

Verdict
It’s been twelve years since Titanic, but the King of the World has returned with a flawed but fantastic tour de force that, taken on its merits as a film, especially in two dimensions, warrants four stars. However, if you can wrap a pair of 3D glasses round your peepers, this becomes a transcendent, full-on five-star experience that's the closest we'll ever come to setting foot on a strange new world. Just don’t leave it so long next time, eh, Jim?

5 stars

Edited by rufusruffcutt on Friday 11th December 10:39

JagLover

42,464 posts

236 months

Friday 11th December 2009
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Sounds like it might be fairly decent.

Beware of Empire reviews though. Big blockbusters which they have hyped for months, and who have granted them onset access, often get a very easy ride.

Moreover they can be a bit political and the message of this movie. Eco-friendly vs evil imperialist resouce strippers would appeal to them.

-Z-

6,036 posts

207 months

Friday 11th December 2009
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So where's the best place to watch this then?

Odeon Greenwich has 3D IMAX technology, is that good enough? Just a bit confused because early reports suggested that some cinemas would have Camerons own proprietory 3D projection tech. Which cinemas have this, or was is mis-reported?


ETA The big movie companies must be rubbing their hands with glee in anticipation of what 3D will do for the film industry. Who is going to settle for watching a dodgy copy in 2D when the big blockbusters will be meant for 3D? I n the short term at least, since 3D is exclusive to cinemas.

Edited by -Z- on Friday 11th December 11:37

The Trig

426 posts

190 months

Friday 11th December 2009
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Watched the HD Trailer on XBOX streaming and was amazed.
Used this clip to demo my new home cinema setup and the joys of HD smile

amir_j

Original Poster:

3,579 posts

202 months

Friday 11th December 2009
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-Z- said:
So where's the best place to watch this then?

Odeon Greenwich has 3D IMAX technology, is that good enough? Just a bit confused because early reports suggested that some cinemas would have Camerons own proprietory 3D projection tech. Which cinemas have this, or was is mis-reported?


ETA The big movie companies must be rubbing their hands with glee in anticipation of what 3D will do for the film industry. Who is going to settle for watching a dodgy copy in 2D when the big blockbusters will be meant for 3D? I n the short term at least, since 3D is exclusive to cinemas.

Edited by -Z- on Friday 11th December 11:37
Not heard anything about cameron's own 3d technology- think that was just when making the film not for showing.

Imax or 3d is fine, Ill be watching in 3d.

3D Tv's with no glasses required are already made and expected to become the norm in 5 years or so as it gets better (my workplace (technology & telecoms) has one in reception to impress visitors.

FourWheelDrift

88,562 posts

285 months

Friday 11th December 2009
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I've seen talk of a £300 million budget, where's that come from, last time I read it was $1billion which is a fair bit more, about £600 million. Have they already started to play down it's cost to give the impression of it not being a potential flop, only giving it's true production costs after it makes a profit perhaps?

bobthemonkey

3,839 posts

217 months

Friday 11th December 2009
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FourWheelDrift said:
I've seen talk of a £300 million budget, where's that come from, last time I read it was $1billion which is a fair bit more, about £600 million. Have they already started to play down it's cost to give the impression of it not being a potential flop, only giving it's true production costs after it makes a profit perhaps?
Some of the variation is the difference between actual initial outlay, and what they can claim back via tax breaks in New Zealand.

They have also deducted the cost of making the technology to make the film (the Pace camera rigs, custom Sony F950 HD cams etc) from some of the numbers. These rigs were created for Avatar, but are open for anyone to use; a couple of films which used them have already been released.

$300m is towards the top end of the production budget, with another $200m on the tech element (which can recoup its investment independently from Avatar).

Also there is about another $150m for marketing and promotion. All of these figures may not include Camerons fee as he took a deferment on it.

Edited by bobthemonkey on Friday 11th December 12:24

PaulHogan

6,159 posts

279 months

Friday 11th December 2009
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My main concern is that it won't so much be a film as a two hour trailer for the inevitable Avatar video game

Frankeh

12,558 posts

186 months

Friday 11th December 2009
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Looks like a CGI wkfest.

amir_j

Original Poster:

3,579 posts

202 months

Friday 11th December 2009
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guys, guys

This is the film forum not the business one :-), who cares about the cost, the proof will be in the blue pudding.

Frankeh

12,558 posts

186 months

Friday 11th December 2009
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The Hypno-Toad said:
Ferngully In Space
I just watched the trailer.
The above quote made me lol.

Oakey

27,595 posts

217 months

Friday 11th December 2009
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PaulHogan said:
My main concern is that it won't so much be a film as a two hour trailer for the inevitable Avatar video game
Do keep up, the video game is already available.