Help with fitting HIDs

[G20RG B]

I have ordered a set of HIDs for my Cerb (tuscan style lights) and It was suggested on other threads that they were very much a easy fit just by using bayonet type connections.
I have checked my cerb and apart from a bayonet connector to the indicator the the two main lights dont have any bayonets just wired direct to the bulbs see picture below.



So can I still connect the new HIDS?? I don't want to be cutting any wires if at all possible as I know nothing about electrics. This is the kit I have ordered.



On the plus side I did manage to fit new LED bulbs to the small sidelights very easy as bulbs were a straight replacement. I wanted the sidelight bulbs to match the colour of the new HIDs


Any advice would be appreciated.

George

[FarmyardPants]

It should be quite straightforward. The terminals that currently connect to the bulb connect to the HID kit instead. The HID leads then go into the ballast boxes and out again and eventually end up connecting to the new HID bulbs, which are a direct replacement for the originals. You should be able to connect it all up and have the HIDs working but with the ballast boxes just dangling. This is when you need to think about how to mount them.

[FarmyardPants]

Also worth noting that your photo shows the sidelights and main beams on but not the dipped beams. On my car, a 2000W with the same lights, the dipped beam stays on when you put high beam on. As far as I know this is standard. The dipped lights are the outer/upper lights and the main beams the lower/inner (cf other cars eg griff, impreza etc)

[FarmyardPants]

And another thing! your upper access panel is huge, mine is nowhere near that big. Talk about access panel envy, you can't get both hands into mine (even if you lube them, and yes I've tried )

[sk7ine man]

What is the dipped beam (upper most) bold fitment on the Tuscan style headlights? I fancy a set of HIDs. Also on mine when you activate the full beam it switches the dipped beam off (but sidelights stay on)

[Gazzab]

Thicko moment maybe but surely you should be fitting this kit to the upper light and not the lower light? Is the upper light the dipped beam (I cant be arsed to go and look at mine!)? If so this is where you should be fitting the kit. You dont want a kit on the lower (main beam) as when you flash your lights the ballast will take a few secs to come on (which isnt 'ideal').

ps what side light bulbs did you get? And where did you get them from?

G.

[G20RG B]

Gazzab said:

Thicko moment maybe but surely you should be fitting this kit to the upper light and not the lower light? Is the upper light the dipped beam (I cant be arsed to go and look at mine!)? If so this is where you should be fitting the kit. You dont want a kit on the lower (main beam) as when you flash your lights the ballast will take a few secs to come on (which isnt 'ideal').

ps what side light bulbs did you get? And where did you get them from?

G.

Hi Gazzab

Ordered from here, arrived next day and straight forwarb bulb for bulb replacement. Fellow pistonheader gave me the link.
http://www.ultraleds.co.uk/ultimate-501t10194-watt...

[G20RG B]

Hi Farmyard Pants thanks for your help with the fitting but it looks like we have a different headlight arrangement.Mine is a 2003 SP6 and came with the tuscan style lights from new. And works like this.

ENGINE OFF
1st turn of the light switch turns small sidelight on
2nd turn of the light switch turns bottom main light on and keeps small sidelight on.

Flash button on steering wheels doesnt work.

ENGINE ON
1st turn of the light switch turns small sidelight on and bottom main light.(dipped)
2nd turn of the light switch keeps small sidelight on and bottom mainlight stays on but goes brighter.(main)

Flash button on steering wheel turnsTOP MAIN LIGHT ONsmall sidelight and bottom mainlight remain on.

So the top mainlight on my car is flash only.....

So where do I put the HIDs I still think it should be the bottom

Any advice would be great.

George

Edited by G20RG B on Sunday 24th January 16:48

[Gazzab]

Mine works differently to yours (2002 LW 4.5RR) :-

ENGINE OFF
1st turn of the light switch turns small sidelight on
2nd turn of the light switch turns TOP main light on and keeps small sidelight on.

Flash button on steering wheels doesnt work.

ENGINE ON
1st turn of the light switch turns small sidelight on and TOP main light.(dipped)
2nd turn of the light switch keeps small sidelight on and TOP mainlight stays on but goes brighter.(main)

Flash button on steering wheel turnsBOTTOM MAIN LIGHT ONsmall sidelight and TOP mainlight remain on.

So the BOTTOM mainlight on my car is flash only.....

So if I am fitting the HIDs they will be to the TOP light. This makes sense to me as the top light is a projector type light fitting anyway (like factory fit xenons have).

I did notice however that my current lights are already quite 'white' although they fire up immediately (and thet are rubbish) so I suspect I have some aftermarket brighter bulbs.

[Gazzab]

Looking at your profile pic then your lights are the same as mine ie projector at the top. Not sure why the rears of your front lights have got stuff written on them, maybe someone has had them off and refitted them at some point and then got the wiring mixed up when refitting? (or mine are wrong).

[G20RG B]

Thanks Gazzab, looks like my main/ dipped are wired around the wrong way!!
Perhaps someone else who has Tuscan style lights can check so we can find out who's right/wrong although I think it might be me.. If it is I think it is just a case of switching the bulb assembly and wires over so a straightforward job if there is such a thing with TVRs (oh ..switching sidelight bulbs was straightforward).
It might be that someone has had them out and put them back in wrong.

So anyone else want to tell us how there Tuscan style lights work??

George.

[mybrainhurts]

Basic information...HIDs are DIPPED beam.

[Gazzab]

G20RG B said:

Thanks Gazzab, looks like my main/ dipped are wired around the wrong way!!
Perhaps someone else who has Tuscan style lights can check so we can find out who's right/wrong although I think it might be me.. If it is I think it is just a case of switching the bulb assembly and wires over so a straightforward job if there is such a thing with TVRs (oh ..switching sidelight bulbs was straightforward).
It might be that someone has had them out and put them back in wrong.

So anyone else want to tell us how there Tuscan style lights work??

George.

Farmyardpants is the same as mine (And the lenses seem to concour with what he and I are saying). So I am 99.9% certain.

Re the HIDs are dipped comment - I dont understand what you mean. Xenons can be used for dipped and main beam (although not for the tuscan style lights IMHO).

[JensenA]

HID Xenons are Dipped only. Bi-Xenons are Dipped and Main Beam. The main beam is activated mechanically with a solenoid.
So for the Tuscan style lights the Xenon kit (ie no flash) can be fitted to be either Main, or Dipped - you just adjust them to be one or the other.

Edited by JensenA on Sunday 24th January 22:29

[mybrainhurts]

JensenA said:

HID Xenons are Dipped only. Bi[b]-Xenons are Dipped [b]and Main Beam. The main beam is activated mechanically with a solenoid.
So for the Tuscan style lights the Xenon kit (ie no flash) can be fitted to be either Main, or Dipped - you just adjust them to be one or the other.

Didn't know that.

How do they change the light output from wide (dip) to long (main)?

Edited by mybrainhurts on Sunday 24th January 22:08

[Gazzab]

I don't see how you can fit xenon to the main on tuscan lights, the ballasts take a few secs to warm up. They are fine for dipped.

[JensenA]

It's Sunday night so I could be wrong . Yes - if the Tuscan style lights switch of the Dipped beam, then they could be a bit scary. But if the Dipped stays on, then I can't see why they can't be fitted. Are dipped only H4/H7 bulbs different from Main only H4/H7 bulbs ??

[G20RG B]

I'm pretty sure they are both H7 bulbs.

[Nefarious]

As an aside, does anyone know off the top of their heads what type the sidelight bulbs are in old-style H4 headlights? 501s?

[davidd]

I've got hid dipped and normal mains. The hids are always on, the amount of light on dip or main is good. I could probably do with polishing the lenses though if thats possible..

D