Opinions appreciated

[ninja_eli]

Hi all,

I'd appreciate input from the PH collective.

Basically, I've been offered a good price for my 360 spider, in exchange for a Black RHD Murcielago, 03 plate with delivery mileage. Its a GREAT price, but I got the following thoughts: 1)at present, dont *really* fancy stuffing even more cash into a car, especially IF it is to lose value like I believe it will? 2)BUT It is such a discount off the retail value that it seems a hard deal to walk away from?

I was thinking of buying a LHD Murci that I have seen at similar money (in fact slightly less so I get some cash back) to my 360 spider.

OR getting a 996TT or 550 Maranello, something relatively cheap, in the meanwhile until I decide what car I really like? Or until the replacement for the 550 or 360 is revealed and available. The car I get in the meantime, I want to be easily resaleable, so not sure whether 550 is? Pretty sure the 996TT is? I'd even consider a Diablo SV despite being advised against it by many people as not being an easily resaleable car?

What do you guys reckon, mostly I'd be interested in which car you guys think would be most easily resaleable, and what any 550 owners have been offered trade in etc?

I think Diablos are difficult to sell on, but would love to hear from any owners (Tony?) what they think of the market for their car? What did Jason360 decide to get in the end?

I guess last alternative would be to do nothing and keep the 360, but to be honest I;m not in love with it, the 355 was such an awesome driving machine its a hard act to follow. I could at present move out of my car without taking much of a depreciation hit?

Thanks in advance,

[elms]

Your friends are right. The Diablo SV will be the hardest to sell on as they have such a niche market. Out of all the others the 996tt would proberly will the easiest, but would have to keenly priced to stand out from the dozens already on the market, plus with the 997 due fairly soon. The 360 though is going to be the best in terms of depreciation and with the good and relatively rare colour combination of yours will command a good price to the right buyer.

[maranellouk]

Ali mate,

It wasn't until very recently that I realised you had a 360. Good stuff and it looks very menacing by the way. I thought everyone had managed to talk you out of it. Obviously not

A black Murci though would be something special. The ONLY colour I would have it in. Not in red and the hideous lime green (with matching wheels) that blast by my place every other day.

I would have to assume that picking up a 550 would be a sure way of losing money. The Porsche seems like a solid bet but it's a Porsche mate and you'd be related to the Cayanne.! (hope Daz isn't reading this, if he is....not including your motor mate

As I always say, if you have the means then go for it. Let me know what your insurance quote is like if you go ahead with the Murci.

MARA

p.s Know what you mean about driving the 360 after the 355.

[456mgt]

Ha, you're going to get a Murci aren't you- admit it!Since you're going to get raped on all three, my advice would be to invest in a large tub of Vaseline.

[MOD500]

Could you go for a GT2? Big power and 2WD giving 'thrills'? Reading a recent thread on the porker forum, you have to be aware of the big cost implications of the ceramic brake discs though, seems people are swapping them for the conventional steel set up.

The GT2 is rare and should maintain value? Hopefully an expert from the porker forum will be along soon to give proper advice

BTW Ali, did you say your old 355 was in JCT 600 Leeds? Was there on Sunday on the Ferrari drive-out, there was a R-plate which had just been sold, and also a P-plate for sale.

[djdicker]

Generally speaking the more money you sink in the more you will lose. I don't think Murcielago's will hold their value even as well as Diablo's, mainly because they are going to make a lot more and Audi will inevitably dilute Lamborghini.

But then again its the sort of car you could concievably keep for 20 years and still enjoy, so why worry about selling? I've got 2 Diablos and I can't concieve of any possible reason to sell them. I bought a 355 new in 96 and I was offered A$235k for it yesterday which is only 40k under what I paid for it 8 years ago, but why sell it? I love that car. Murcielago should be the same. The fact that you are getting a good price on it doesn't probably augur well for resale later on but then again at least your ahead of those guys who paid a premium.

Lets face it an interest in cars is always going to be a serious danger to your wallet. I guess it comes down to what you want out of life.

By the way thanks for the heads up on the 360. I have never really liked them.

[ninja_eli]

456mgt said:

Ha, you're going to get a Murci aren't you- admit it!Since you're going to get raped on all three, my advice would be to invest in a large tub of Vaseline.

I knew I could rely on you for a good answer!!!

I've already ordered a large tub of vaseline, extra soft etc etc

MOD500 Yep, my 355 was at JCT, I think they had it up for like £62K, it was a really good car and I miss her dearly.

Driven the Murci, its fast but doesn't feel that much fun to be honest. Will drive it again, but I just don't feel that compelled by it? It just seems like the sort of thing I'd get bored of pretty quickly, similar to the 360 I guess? It does seem like more of a cruiser car than a hooning car too... Fantastically fast straight line, but how soon do you get bored of just nailing it all the time along a deserted m-way? You can barely see out of it. Maybe I'm just a wuss? (don't answer that)

The 360 I have now is such an easy resale, I've literally got lots of offers on it, and two dealers offering me circa list minus expenses for it, which is great coz I'd only lose about £5K. I think the Murci is mine once I've bought it?

djdicker: Thing is, I don't like to keep a car for too long, I get bored pretty quickly. When I started opening the garage door and not feeling excited at all about the 355, I knew the love affair was over, and time to change. Also, try the 360, you might like it? The steering feel is great, at first half turn.

Would the LHD Murci be a really bad proposition? Reason I'm even considering it, is because I recall LHD 360 coupes going for circa £60-70K money two years ago, they still sort of are now.

Really can't think of what to get next, could just stick with the 360, but I am seriously bored of it TBH. Can't even be arsed to get it out of the garage anymore, looks *wicked* and evil though!! Don't mention a Gallardo, hate the way it looks and nearly kicked Nat out of the car when she said "it wasn't too bad and was growing on her". Girl must have bad taste

Thanks for the opinions, and I'd welcome any and all suggestions!

[dazren]

If you are not enjoying the 360 then bail out, cash is king when it comes to getting a good deal when the next "I've got to have one" comes along. There is no point having a depreciating car in the garage if you are not going to use it.

As to what to buy next, don't miss Brunters, sounds like we are going to have one hell of a cross section of motors attending. Ruf, Brabus, Vanquish, Lambos, Derestrictor's Beetle Evolution!! etc....

Er, hang on, I think I'm doing myself out of a passenger run in a 360 spider at Bruntingthrope.

DAZ

PS - MARA, the porker is going great guns (Bruntingthorpe and a trip to Germany already booked for this year), trust all is well and you've still got the monster jeep, have you imported any TVRs into the US yet?

>> Edited by dazren on Tuesday 10th February 12:24

[anjum]

Great position to be in!

But if resale is a factor - then proceed with caution ....

I reckon a RHD Murci is a great car but will (is) lose money. It IS a great FUN car - and you CAN hoon around tracks (and wide A roads) with disdain! A LHD one is almost impossible to drive everyday - due to width issues....

The 550 IMHO is the best Ferrari by far - and so you'll a pick a good one up for 70-90K. And you'll have buckets of fun.....And save a bundle......And I think that they are firming in price - rather than the 575M's, which are going south.....

A 996TT is a great (but dull!!) car - so you'd be better off keeping you 360 IMHO.....And they are softening in price too...

Or.....

F40???? Not an everyday car - but pretty much the daddy - inspite of what EVO reckon.....same as a Murci....with no softening on value.....

Gallardo - bit of a premium - great car - give it a go.....

GT3 RS - £100K in Maranello's right now - great car - check it out - it's not Italian - but the handling is outragous.....and some people evan like the way it looks!!!!

decisions decisions....

hee hee hee...

Anjum

[jamesk]

Buy a TVR Sagaris or Cerbera. Despite their handling flaws (with factory setup) relative to a rarri or Porker surely the ultimate "hoonmobile"

[jason360hasgone]

Hi Ninj,
Interesting position you are in there. I too was left a little cold by my 360 Spider(for the short period when it was actually trouble-free ) even Tubi'd up I didn't like it as much as my 355B. The 355 felt faster(even though its not) and I had much more fun in the 355 than the 360. From your last post re "cant be arsed to get it out of the garage" it seems to me as though you should sell your 360 immediately, bank the cash and wait until you find what you really want.
Which IMO is NOT a Murci, you say you didn't find it that much fun, then my advice is dont buy it. It seems as though you are considering it just because it is a good price.
I agree with djd, the Murci resids will only go one way, they are making far too many for the rarity value to be maintained.
Gallardo, I dont like the styling either, never have and the motor industry are expecting people to pay upwards of 5-20k premium over list?? Anyone paying that must be .
550, same problem, I dont think they have bottomed out but you will be getting alot of car for the cash.
996TT, fantastic car but dont have the "wow" look factor and they are too common, (sorry Daz).
SV, I looked at quite a few back end of last year and I must admit it felt like a minefield. Dodgy history on most of the cars,
e.g an SV from a reputable dealer had a logbook which quoted the car as a VT Roadster??
Testdrove an Arancio Atlas SV, found out later car was snatched back on an HP issue.
Also alot of cars that were not in UK for first few years of ownership therefore no concrete history.
All this scared me off a little so I passed. The bid/offer on these things is huge aswell, much bigger than a 996. I reckon on 10-15k b/o on a 98 SV.

So here is my suggestion:

F40!

Fantastic looking,stunning performance, rock solid residuals, I think they have actually risen in value over the past 5 years. I'm sure I remember seeing F40's for 125k back then. You wont see a good one less than 150k now.
Also I think you would find it very hard to get bored with an F40.

anyway, good hunting!!!

P.S
I'm making do with my M3 at the mo, never really thought of myself as a Porsche person but I'm being strangely drawn to a 993 Turbo, probably the best looking 911 ever!

[dmaci38293]

Koenigsegg anybody?

[elms]

dmaci38293 said:

Koenigsegg anybody?

Tempting. But £330k+ for a car without much of a pedigree is too strong money when you could buy a F40 and Stradale, plus a X5 for the shopping.
I have got a Macca F1 coming through in the next couple of months though for those with more money again!

[unlicensed]

dazren said:

trust all is well and you've still got the monster jeep

I think he killed it recently trying to get it sideways.


And Eli, wether you get the murci or keep the 360 you have a great car ether way. But go for something new, get the murci. You know u want to.

[davidd]

Blimey, you have a hard life Lucky sod if only I had to make that sort of choice..

Another option is to keep most of your cash, buy a runabout M5 or somerthing and join somthing like

www.p1international.com/html/04thecars.asp


D.

[rich1231]

I think you should get rid of the 360 now, as you only got it to wind me up in the first place.

Ali, think you should try a noble for a while.

I know hell get a 911 though cos he copies me all the time. Hes even going to change shave his head like me :-)

>> Edited by rich1231 on Tuesday 10th February 13:32

[AL001]

Have you considered a 360CS or GT3? Should add some more driving involvement plus hold their value.

F40 a good drivers choice too but running costs can be quite scarey from what I've heard and don't prang it or looking at BIG bucks. Still the dog's wotsits and always will be though. An icon.


Btw, v nice 360 in black - best colour IMO.

[ninja_eli]

rich1231 said:

I know hell get a 911 though cos he copies me all the time. Hes even going to change shave his head like me :-)

....And shout out "I love you Rachel".... ... no, that just aint me....



"I love you Rachel"...... There...tried it, doesn't suit me. Suits you though... ha ha ha. You are well funny mate. Dan was impressed....well maybe not.

Anjum, Jason. Thanks for the suggestions. Been talking to Manu and Verdi about an F40 already. Reckons I can get one for £150K. Manu warns against it, as I wouldn't be able to use it often etc. The thought of it excites me, then Manu puts me back down to earth: ""18K for a rear bumper". Ouch. Also, the restaurants and places I like to go to are in the West End, so where the hell would I park it? Its massive isn't it?

So now I'm not sure. Basically the deal is to put £45K odd ontop of my car for the Murci. Does that sound a good deal? I think its about £10K off retail?

Jason, yeh, I don't know the deal with the 360, it does look good, it feels good, but just something leaves me not in love?

Might try a 550, if I can get one v.cheap. Should be close to bottoming out, can't see them dropping that much more, but you never know. I dont mind depreciation, but just find it a waste if its something I don't use, or know I'll get bored of v quick.

Daz, I'll probably be keeping it for VMax if I don't get the Murci. Otherwise it'll be the Murci which I come along in.

Thanks again guys (except Rich)

[MOD500]

Oddball suggestion:

959?

[rich1231]

Ali,

I was drunk what else can I say?


Seriously I think you should get the 911 tt as a makey do car until something sets you alight and drags u into a showroom.