Richard Mille, I don't get it
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New Top gear magazine just hit the mat, it has a full page advert for the Caliber RM 028 priced £56500, How? why? It doesn't look special or clever, in the same mag there is a mention of the RM004 Filipe Massa at £184000
The Rotary rip off's don't look that much different
Is it just me that doesn't get it, can someone explain please
The Rotary rip off's don't look that much different
Is it just me that doesn't get it, can someone explain please
Millionaires watches for sure, but if I'd won that 56m Euro's I'd buy an RM.
I don't like the divers version mentioned by the OP & I'm not even a fan of rectangular cased, or skeleton watches in general, but RM are very innovative & produce exquisitely made watches.
As for advertising in EVO - maybe the average reader could never afford to buy an RM, but they're not looking for high volume sales in any case.
I don't like the divers version mentioned by the OP & I'm not even a fan of rectangular cased, or skeleton watches in general, but RM are very innovative & produce exquisitely made watches.
As for advertising in EVO - maybe the average reader could never afford to buy an RM, but they're not looking for high volume sales in any case.
andy tims said:
Millionaires watches for sure, but if I'd won that 56m Euro's I'd buy an RM.
I don't like the divers version mentioned by the OP & I'm not even a fan of rectangular cased, or skeleton watches in general, but RM are very innovative & produce exquisitely made watches.
As for advertising in EVO - maybe the average reader could never afford to buy an RM, but they're not looking for high volume sales in any case.
He said TG mag mate, quite a different crowd I think.I don't like the divers version mentioned by the OP & I'm not even a fan of rectangular cased, or skeleton watches in general, but RM are very innovative & produce exquisitely made watches.
As for advertising in EVO - maybe the average reader could never afford to buy an RM, but they're not looking for high volume sales in any case.
They're absolutely gorgeous. I'd love one.
The PHer 'desolate' has one IIRC, an RM005. It's the watch I'd choose.
Richard Mille *does* innovate - they're not just VJ7750s in fancy cases like Hublot Big Bangs - the materials science is clever (carbon fibre / nanotube composites / titanium / etc.) and they're very *techy-futuristic* as opposed to old-fashioned classics like Patek and Breguet.
The only problem is that they're quite big - I saw one on the wrist of an Italian chap when skiing in Courmayeur last year and I reckon it'd be far too big for my wrist...
The PHer 'desolate' has one IIRC, an RM005. It's the watch I'd choose.
Richard Mille *does* innovate - they're not just VJ7750s in fancy cases like Hublot Big Bangs - the materials science is clever (carbon fibre / nanotube composites / titanium / etc.) and they're very *techy-futuristic* as opposed to old-fashioned classics like Patek and Breguet.
The only problem is that they're quite big - I saw one on the wrist of an Italian chap when skiing in Courmayeur last year and I reckon it'd be far too big for my wrist...
I'd love an RM10. I stopped by the boutique in Paris a couple of years ago and spent a happy hour or so being shown a variety of watches in their collection despite being clear that they were way out of my range but simply engaging with the rather pleasant Russian sales assistant
The watches, certainly the 10 and 11 I tried do actually wear well on the wrist and they deserve a look if you are in that bracket. As said, there is a lot that goes in to them.
The watches, certainly the 10 and 11 I tried do actually wear well on the wrist and they deserve a look if you are in that bracket. As said, there is a lot that goes in to them.
Edited by mcgus on Saturday 20th February 23:21
I hated them, thought they were the gaudy trinkets of Russian oligarchs with more money than sense.
After a bit of reading up on them and their ilk I'd now have one in a thrice, it takes a while to 'get' them, but they're fantastic - if you have huge amounts of disposable of course...
After a bit of reading up on them and their ilk I'd now have one in a thrice, it takes a while to 'get' them, but they're fantastic - if you have huge amounts of disposable of course...
Fittster said:
Can anyone link to an article that gives an account of how they have innovated?
A Seiko Springdrive has lots of interest tech but it doesn't come with an RM price tag.
I'll try to find something. I know they're using new carbon composites, not plain carbon fibre but nanotube composites IIRC, plus the automatic rotor weight is adjustable for moment of inertia depending on how 'active' you are. That's plain to see from any reverse movement shot of the watch.A Seiko Springdrive has lots of interest tech but it doesn't come with an RM price tag.
Spring Drive is innovative too, and I'd love one - but they're bloody pricey as well and pretty big. The steel Spring Drive chrono that Seiko sold a couple of years ago was 44mm IIRC and at £4500 retail - I was seriously considering springing for one (groan) but 44mm is too big for me.
I'll definitely have one in my collection eventually. The Bulova Accutron is currently the 'smoothest' sweep second hand in my collection
Only the Spring Drive can better it 
I like RM watches to look at, I think the work that goes in to them is amazing.
They are aimed at a specific market, where the customer's would not have a problem regularly dropping 100k on a watch. Fair play to them, different world to me, but the website is worth a look to see the detail that goes in to these.
http://richard-mille.com/#
If had so much money that price was not an issue, then I would look at a RM. however there are a lot of other things that would be on the list first.
They are aimed at a specific market, where the customer's would not have a problem regularly dropping 100k on a watch. Fair play to them, different world to me, but the website is worth a look to see the detail that goes in to these.
http://richard-mille.com/#
If had so much money that price was not an issue, then I would look at a RM. however there are a lot of other things that would be on the list first.
I have looked at the website, to me it looks like a load of waffle and marketing, If they are serious pieces of watch engineering and are making some sort of contribution 21st century watch making where are they in the heap, Unless they are made of precious metals or are covered in jewels none of the others seem to ask these outrageous prices.
Maybe they are what a footballer buys when he has everything else.
Maybe they are what a footballer buys when he has everything else.
ShadownINja said:
Rotary do a copy er homage er similar style if you can't afford an RM.
And the 'replica' guys are starting to attempt to build RM fakes too.But neither of them have the appeal of the RM technology - they're merely 'look-alikes' without the special materials, construction and variable-inertia rotors.
I'd rather have a well-made Chinese 'replica' than the Rotary 'homage' - as far as I'm concerned the Rotary copies are ethically equivalent to 'real' fakes, and the 'real' fakes are often very well made watches in their own right. The Rotary 'homages' are built much more cheaply, weirdly enough.
Anyway the bottom line is that since RM use fancy materials technology and bespoke design, you can't get an accurate fake. That, in itself, is a marketing feature of a high-end watch these days... when things like Hublot Big Bangs are available as immaculate replicas, if you're buying for status / wealth-display then you want a piece that can't be faked.
I'm still waiting for my JLC reverso but that's an example of a watch that isn't available as a *good* fake, though I didn't buy it for 'status' or 'wealth display' reasons - I bought it because of the clever engineering (it was *very* difficult putting a retrograde chronograph into the small rectangular Reverso case). But the added bonus is that if you see one, you know it's real. There aren't any fakes of them.
And that's a benefit of the RM, I suppose - the available fakes and the Rotary copies are miles apart from the real thing and it's obvious to anyone.
So many top-end watch makers are sticking rigidly to tradition, with 'classic' styling and build - it's cool that small indie makers like RM, Urwerk, and maybe you can include Zenith in there now with some of their designs, are going relentlessly high-tech whilst sticking to mechanical movements. It's pure frivolity really - modern technology allows ultra-accurate, virtually-indestructible timepieces (think G-shock) at very low prices, so you'd have thought that the only market for really expensive mechanical watches would be those wanting traditional craftsmanship from yesteryear (and Patek, Breguet, etc. cater perfectly to this market). But it's cool that people like RM are making obsolete technology out of cutting-edge materials.
I like the simple ones, like the RM005. Don't know why, I just do. But some of the higher-end pieces are silly expensive and I can understand the 'footballer' comments. But RM at least *do* design and innovate their own stuff - they're not just ETA movements in fancy cases...
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