Post amazingly cool pictures of aircraft (Volume 2)
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Tish & pish, the Gannet wasn't ugly, functional yes, but not ugly.
The pic below proves it looks lovely (in the dark)
Though I concede the AEW3 may have Been a bit ugly.
Soviet design can be so agricultural.
The pic below proves it looks lovely (in the dark)
Though I concede the AEW3 may have Been a bit ugly.
Soviet design can be so agricultural.
Edited by DJFish on Thursday 26th November 13:49
Edited by DJFish on Thursday 26th November 13:49
[quote=bencollins]My vote for dangerous plane is the starfighter, just one look at its proportions you know it was crap. Perhaps earlier planes were more dangerous, but they should have known better by the sixties.
I think the F-104 was only worth considering as a dangerous aircraft in the hands of German pilots. In the hands of Dutch pilots, the Hawker Hunter had a higher accident rate per use period, and the F84, F-86 and Gloster Meteor required the pilots to submit an up-to-date will before taking off. The F-104 had an accident rate of almost half what the F-16 does in the Netherlands AF per 100,000 air hours.
The early German experience was how the F-104 got the name 'widowmaker', but even in Germany the F-84 was probably at least twice as dangerous.
I think the F-104 was only worth considering as a dangerous aircraft in the hands of German pilots. In the hands of Dutch pilots, the Hawker Hunter had a higher accident rate per use period, and the F84, F-86 and Gloster Meteor required the pilots to submit an up-to-date will before taking off. The F-104 had an accident rate of almost half what the F-16 does in the Netherlands AF per 100,000 air hours.
The early German experience was how the F-104 got the name 'widowmaker', but even in Germany the F-84 was probably at least twice as dangerous.
dafeller said:
bencollins said:
My vote for dangerous plane is the starfighter, just one look at its proportions you know it was crap. Perhaps earlier planes were more dangerous, but they should have known better by the sixties.
I think the F-104 was only worth considering as a dangerous aircraft in the hands of German pilots. In the hands of Dutch pilots, the Hawker Hunter had a higher accident rate per use period, and the F84, F-86 and Gloster Meteor required the pilots to submit an up-to-date will before taking off. The F-104 had an accident rate of almost half what the F-16 does in the Netherlands AF per 100,000 air hours.
The early German experience was how the F-104 got the name 'widowmaker', but even in Germany the F-84 was probably at least twice as dangerous.
I guess that the question then becomes why the Starfighter was such a problem for the Germans?I think the F-104 was only worth considering as a dangerous aircraft in the hands of German pilots. In the hands of Dutch pilots, the Hawker Hunter had a higher accident rate per use period, and the F84, F-86 and Gloster Meteor required the pilots to submit an up-to-date will before taking off. The F-104 had an accident rate of almost half what the F-16 does in the Netherlands AF per 100,000 air hours.
The early German experience was how the F-104 got the name 'widowmaker', but even in Germany the F-84 was probably at least twice as dangerous.
And no one ever seems to mention the Harrier - http://www.ejection-history.org.uk/aircraft_by_typ...
irocfan said:
I guess that the question then becomes why the Starfighter was such a problem for the Germans?
It's quite well documented that the Luftwaffe training syllabus inadequately prepared Starfighter pilots for the harsh weather conditions encountered in Northern Europe. All their basic training on the F-104 was conducted in the bright and clear weather of Luke Air Force Base, Arizona.FourWheelDrift said:
And no one ever seems to mention the Harrier - http://www.ejection-history.org.uk/aircraft_by_typ...
That made good reading, 116 airframes lost, Harriers do not glide well. The Buzzard strike at Laarbruch caused me some issues.....the aircraft landed at the bottom of my garden and I was not allowed home until they cleaned it up.tuffer said:
Harriers do not glide well.
My Instructor at Basic was a Harrier pilot. He told me that 'High Key' (the point abeam the runway threshold from which you would start an engine out circling descent to land) was 10,000 ft. For comparison purposes High key in a JP was 2500 ft!Edited by Ginetta G15 Girl on Saturday 5th December 14:17
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