New State Pension.

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Fittster

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20,120 posts

214 months

Wednesday 27th October 2010
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"About 7m mostly low-paid people who do not currently have any pension savings will automatically have 4 per cent of their earnings docked after April, 2012, to fund a new State-sponsored retirement fund proposed today by the Department for Work and Pensions (DWP).

An estimated 1m employers, mostly small businesses, will also be compelled to contribute 3 per cent of payroll to the new fund – which was originally proposed by the last Labour government. Criticism that this amounts to a massive new stealth tax, which will shrink pay packets and add to employers’ costs when many can least afford it, are countered by supporters of the new scheme who point out that the Government will be chipping in 1 per cent of earnings in the form of tax relief."

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/finance/ianmcowie/100...

Can't see how this is a good idea, a tiny business isn't going to want the hassle and if your poor and clever you'll opt out and still get the state pension.

If you are really paranoid you might ask where the money is going to be invested. Maybe a state with very dodgy finances will forces everyones pension to be used to buy gilts. spin

Edited by Fittster on Wednesday 27th October 17:41

supersingle

3,205 posts

220 months

Wednesday 27th October 2010
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Great idea! We can trust government with our money.

What could possibly go wrong?

DieselGriff

5,160 posts

260 months

Wednesday 27th October 2010
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erm, what's NI for again...?

Parrot of Doom

23,075 posts

235 months

Wednesday 27th October 2010
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DieselGriff said:
erm, what's NI for again...?
The pot, nothing more.

DieselGriff

5,160 posts

260 months

Wednesday 27th October 2010
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Parrot of Doom said:
DieselGriff said:
erm, what's NI for again...?
The pot, nothing more.
I know, but it was launched in the same way, collected by the same method, and for largely the same reason.

Elroy Blue

8,688 posts

193 months

Wednesday 27th October 2010
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DieselGriff said:
erm, what's NI for again...?
Income tax by another name.

Ozzie Osmond

21,189 posts

247 months

Wednesday 27th October 2010
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supersingle said:
Great idea! We can trust government with our money. What could possibly go wrong?
That's the whole point; this money won't go to the government.

As someone said above, NI is in reality just another name for income tax.

Fittster

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20,120 posts

214 months

Wednesday 27th October 2010
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Ozzie Osmond said:
supersingle said:
Great idea! We can trust government with our money. What could possibly go wrong?
That's the whole point; this money won't go to the government.
Have they said where the money will go?

Ozzie Osmond

21,189 posts

247 months

Wednesday 27th October 2010
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Fittster said:
Have they said where the money will go?
If I have understood correctly, the same places as have traditionally been used for private pension provision.

Don

28,377 posts

285 months

Wednesday 27th October 2010
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Ozzie Osmond said:
supersingle said:
Great idea! We can trust government with our money. What could possibly go wrong?
That's the whole point; this money won't go to the government.

As someone said above, NI is in reality just another name for income tax.
yes

Nothing is ring-fenced. This is just more tax. By a more "palateable" name.

supersingle

3,205 posts

220 months

Wednesday 27th October 2010
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Ozzie Osmond said:
Fittster said:
Have they said where the money will go?
If I have understood correctly, the same places as have traditionally been used for private pension provision.
That'll be gilts then.

DRCAGE

499 posts

166 months

Wednesday 27th October 2010
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Hi, I work at a small engineering company (I know that dosent make a difference now), is there anyway i can opt out of this? Pretty sure im earning over the limit. I dont trust them for a second......thievin gits biggrin

Cheers