UK Honeymoon Couple Attacked in S.A.
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Timsta said:
No, but you have about a 50:50 chance of finding one who will do it when you ask.
I simply cannot believe that to be the case - especially when it turns out he claims to have been paid barely 1 months salary... Who in their right mind would risk life in jail/execution for such irrelevant sums of money. If it was say 2x lifetime earnings in cash there and then tax free maybe some would but 1 months pay tax free - come off it. (Given Dewani was wearing a Rolex which would be what 3-4 years salary on his wrist why not simply steal that if you a person of that sort)
Welshbeef said:
Timsta said:
No, but you have about a 50:50 chance of finding one who will do it when you ask.
I simply cannot believe that to be the case - especially when it turns out he claims to have been paid barely 1 months salary... Who in their right mind would risk life in jail/execution for such irrelevant sums of money. If it was say 2x lifetime earnings in cash there and then tax free maybe some would but 1 months pay tax free - come off it. (Given Dewani was wearing a Rolex which would be what 3-4 years salary on his wrist why not simply steal that if you a person of that sort)
Naturally it is the lawyers job to invent a plausible story. A few reasons why a ransom is absurd.
1. You don't just set the man (Dewani) free. The point is not disputed by either side. He was thrown out the window or the door and left wandering around. With his valuables. If you plan a ransom you tell him what you want, beat him up a bit too and accompany him to the bank or cash. But no, they set him free to call the police.
2. The murderers argue and just happen to shoot the woman dead. Right. Isn't it-they argue and shoot one of their gang?
3. If a ransom was planned then why not try and extort money from Dewani. He has no knowledge his wife is dead. What difference would it make. It changes nothing.
4. As soon as I heard Van Zyl had a prison cell witness to state Tonga was lying, I said 'I bet this witness is a lifer'. Correct, he is. A nice cash payment to his family for some 'evidence'. The media paint this picture that inmates tell each other what really happened. It's so cliche
1. You don't just set the man (Dewani) free. The point is not disputed by either side. He was thrown out the window or the door and left wandering around. With his valuables. If you plan a ransom you tell him what you want, beat him up a bit too and accompany him to the bank or cash. But no, they set him free to call the police.
2. The murderers argue and just happen to shoot the woman dead. Right. Isn't it-they argue and shoot one of their gang?
3. If a ransom was planned then why not try and extort money from Dewani. He has no knowledge his wife is dead. What difference would it make. It changes nothing.
4. As soon as I heard Van Zyl had a prison cell witness to state Tonga was lying, I said 'I bet this witness is a lifer'. Correct, he is. A nice cash payment to his family for some 'evidence'. The media paint this picture that inmates tell each other what really happened. It's so cliche
It's being alleged by a witness this was not the first time Dewani organised a murder in South Africa.
http://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/News/Mbolombo-wa...
http://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/News/Mbolombo-wa...
Pints said:
It's being alleged by a witness this was not the first time Dewani organised a murder in South Africa.
http://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/News/Mbolombo-wa...
Staggering king hit to Dewani here. Both convicted parties told teh police about Dewani's bragging on the day of their arrest. How could they know possibly know. And not exactly a regular accusation is it. He is guilty as a puppy near a pile of poohttp://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/News/Mbolombo-wa...
hornetrider said:
Is it? Are they saying Dewani organised a hit before?! Seems rather far fetched. And if he had, why would he randomly pick someone else to do it if he'd got the contact who had successfully done it before. Sounds very outlandish to me unless there are some details I'm missing.
Agree, does sound far fetched. And if he can prove he never visited South Africa previously, that's a massive plus for him.Mermaid said:
Agree, does sound far fetched. And if he can prove he never visited South Africa previously, that's a massive plus for him.
This is the same guy who said he was at a job interview on the day he was with a "German Master" and threatened to sue the paper & individual for claiming it, yet Jerry laid it literally bare, even if it wasn't all taken into account by the Judge...hornetrider said:
Is it? Are they saying Dewani organised a hit before?! Seems rather far fetched. And if he had, why would he randomly pick someone else to do his wife if he'd got the contact who had successfully done it before. Sounds very outlandish to me unless there are some details I'm missing.
how could they lnow his fathers friend was murdered in sa in a car jacking?burwoodman said:
hornetrider said:
Is it? Are they saying Dewani organised a hit before?! Seems rather far fetched. And if he had, why would he randomly pick someone else to do his wife if he'd got the contact who had successfully done it before. Sounds very outlandish to me unless there are some details I'm missing.
how could they lnow his fathers friend was murdered in sa in a car jacking?hornetrider said:
burwoodman said:
hornetrider said:
Is it? Are they saying Dewani organised a hit before?! Seems rather far fetched. And if he had, why would he randomly pick someone else to do his wife if he'd got the contact who had successfully done it before. Sounds very outlandish to me unless there are some details I'm missing.
how could they lnow his fathers friend was murdered in sa in a car jacking?Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2828355/Sh...
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Both murderers made immediate refs to this to separate police investigators. There is only one way they knew this-if Dewani told them. 6 days after the murder not 6 months. Police did not let it slip. Guilty!
burwoodman said:
In a statement to detectives just six days after 28 year-old Mrs Dewani's death, in November 2010, Mbolombo made his first reference to Bristol-based Dewani's murderous boasts
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Both murderers made immediate refs to this to separate police investigators. There is only one way they knew this-if Dewani told them. 6 days after the murder not 6 months. Police did not let it slip. Guilty!
So what motives do we have?Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2828355/Sh...
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Both murderers made immediate refs to this to separate police investigators. There is only one way they knew this-if Dewani told them. 6 days after the murder not 6 months. Police did not let it slip. Guilty!
1. He is bi sexual / more Gay than straight and the humiliation would destroy his family and business - she found out
2. He lied and tried to sue to cover up his Gaydar fun
3. This latest revelation with stark similarities to his poor wife.
So previously there was little if anything of any substance apart from it being odd to go to the slums late at night to experiance the world of real abstract poverty.
Evidence is really loading up on him now could be a double murderer
I think he'll be found not guilty because the case against him presented by the prosecution has enough holes in it to create reasonable doubt imo.
There is still no solid motive - yes he was gay and yes his wife spoke of leaving him however we then have photo/video evidence showing them looking like any other newly wed couple. There was also the evidence which suggested the couple were looking to start the family.
Then we have the prosecutution witnesses - the hotel receptionist has just admitted that he lied under oath in a previous court case and the other 2 sound far from convincing. And of course one of the killers is dead.
I don't know whether Dewani planned the killing or not but I do think the prosecution have made a poor attempt at proving his guilt.
There is still no solid motive - yes he was gay and yes his wife spoke of leaving him however we then have photo/video evidence showing them looking like any other newly wed couple. There was also the evidence which suggested the couple were looking to start the family.
Then we have the prosecutution witnesses - the hotel receptionist has just admitted that he lied under oath in a previous court case and the other 2 sound far from convincing. And of course one of the killers is dead.
I don't know whether Dewani planned the killing or not but I do think the prosecution have made a poor attempt at proving his guilt.
Mermaid said:
Not surprising. The prosecution's star witnesses are either scumbag killers or scumbag killers who took on a 'job' for a pittance. Either way they have little credibility in my book.I'm not saying Dewani didn't do it (put it this way if I had a daughter or son that age I wouldn't want Mr Dewani as their partner that's for sure) but the case against him is weak.
BlackLabel said:
Not surprising. The prosecution's star witnesses are either scumbag killers or scumbag killers who took on a 'job' for a pittance. Either way they have little credibility in my book.
I'm not saying Dewani didn't do it (put it this way if I had a daughter or son that age I wouldn't want Mr Dewani as their partner that's for sure) but the case against him is weak.
I agree the witnesses are uneducated, inexperienced & poor. Hope the Judge provides Dewani an opportunity to give his version of events.I'm not saying Dewani didn't do it (put it this way if I had a daughter or son that age I wouldn't want Mr Dewani as their partner that's for sure) but the case against him is weak.
Edited by Mermaid on Wednesday 26th November 11:27
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