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Orrather my missus just has. Fulham road, sw london, she had just stepped onto the zebra crossing with my 1 month old daughter in a buggy in front of her, when some complete cu nt came flying towards her, so she had to put herself between this pri ck and the buggy. She knocked him over ripping his tights, etc. He then gave her a load of abuse.
I cycle in to the city every day and the amount of people not even being aware of how a pelican/zebra operates is staggering.
If this tw@t had done this with me, i may have put my foot through his back wheel.
Riding like a prick is not clever and just annoys people.
I cycle in to the city every day and the amount of people not even being aware of how a pelican/zebra operates is staggering.
If this tw@t had done this with me, i may have put my foot through his back wheel.
Riding like a prick is not clever and just annoys people.
swerni said:
Sorry fergus but If I was pushing one of my children (other than the fact they are a bit big and may object these days), I would ensure the traffic had stopped before I stepped out.
I hope all concerned are ok, but swerni has a point, i see too many people walk up to a pedestrian crossing and walk out onto the road without looking as if cars can stop on a sixpence and drivers are mindreaders.fergus said:
Orrather my missus just has. Fulham road, sw london, she had just stepped onto the zebra crossing with my 1 month old daughter in a buggy in front of her, when some complete cu nt came flying towards her, so she had to put herself between this pri ck and the buggy. She knocked him over ripping his tights, etc. He then gave her a load of abuse.
The cyclist hit your missus or the buggy with your little one in it?deevlash said:
Sounds like piss poor anticipation by both muppets. The woman being the worst as her lack of anticipation could have affected a child under her care.
The cyclist had failed to see that the car coming in the other lane had stopped and she wasn't over that side. If he couldn't see both headlights, then i guess there's little hope...The missus had to put herself in front of the buggy to avoid the cyclist hitting the buggy. Legally, whether you agree or not, regardless of "common sense" arguments, as soon as a pedestrian sets foot on a crossing, you are in the wrong if you cause a collision.
She said his reaction was as if she had interupted his best time trial effort....
fault semantics aside the end result could have been your kid being smashed into by the Lance Armstrong wannabe. He was a fanny yes, but she was a bit daft to assume all traffic respects the rules of the road and gambling on that assumption with her own safety and that of her child...
Glad the Mrs and little-un are ok Ferg, but much as has already been said, you have to use a bit of common, especially when pushing a buggy.
When you're cycling turning right on a roundabout / mini-roundabout, and you know you have the right of way, and see a builders van approaching, you'll sure as hell be thinking "I bet he's not going to stop for me!".
As much as you rightly expect other road users, whether in cars or on bikes to abide by the rules of the road, you should be half-expecting them not to. Those that don't tend to end up as statistics.
When you're cycling turning right on a roundabout / mini-roundabout, and you know you have the right of way, and see a builders van approaching, you'll sure as hell be thinking "I bet he's not going to stop for me!".
As much as you rightly expect other road users, whether in cars or on bikes to abide by the rules of the road, you should be half-expecting them not to. Those that don't tend to end up as statistics.
fergus said:
deevlash said:
Sounds like piss poor anticipation by both muppets. The woman being the worst as her lack of anticipation could have affected a child under her care.
The cyclist had failed to see that the car coming in the other lane had stopped and she wasn't over that side. If he couldn't see both headlights, then i guess there's little hope...The missus had to put herself in front of the buggy to avoid the cyclist hitting the buggy. Legally, whether you agree or not, regardless of "common sense" arguments, as soon as a pedestrian sets foot on a crossing, you are in the wrong if you cause a collision.
She said his reaction was as if she had interupted his best time trial effort....
Back to the OP, if Mrs Fergus is standing at, or directly approaching a crossing, what is she most likely to do next? It's not that hard to anticipate her next move, is it? Furthermore, if Mrs Fergus had time to get herself between child and TWUNT cyclist, then I would suggest that TWUNT had time to slow or stop, and chose to ride AT her in an intimidatory fashion. Stamping on/thrusting objects through spokes of rear wheel too good for the likes of this muppet. Should have been placed in a bag with some bricks and thrown in a river at birth.
yellowjack said:
fergus said:
deevlash said:
Sounds like piss poor anticipation by both muppets. The woman being the worst as her lack of anticipation could have affected a child under her care.
The cyclist had failed to see that the car coming in the other lane had stopped and she wasn't over that side. If he couldn't see both headlights, then i guess there's little hope...The missus had to put herself in front of the buggy to avoid the cyclist hitting the buggy. Legally, whether you agree or not, regardless of "common sense" arguments, as soon as a pedestrian sets foot on a crossing, you are in the wrong if you cause a collision.
She said his reaction was as if she had interupted his best time trial effort....
Back to the OP, if Mrs Fergus is standing at, or directly approaching a crossing, what is she most likely to do next? It's not that hard to anticipate her next move, is it? Furthermore, if Mrs Fergus had time to get herself between child and TWUNT cyclist, then I would suggest that TWUNT had time to slow or stop, and chose to ride AT her in an intimidatory fashion. Stamping on/thrusting objects through spokes of rear wheel too good for the likes of this muppet. Should have been placed in a bag with some bricks and thrown in a river at birth.
Been a long time since I read the HC, but I seem to recall the words along the lines of "dont walk onto a zebra crossing until the traffic has stopped" This was also with the proviso that drivers - on seeing someone standing next to said crossing, would safely stop for them.
The UK is FAR better than most other European countries for crossing safety. Some places you can be on the crossing and cars pass you.
I understand the anger of the OP, it may have been an arrogant arse riding the bike, or it could have been a genuine error of judgment/ sun/ lights in eyes.
Surely if the mum had time to shield herself from the cyclist, she had time to stop and prevent any contact? Or is that too simplistic a view? I also have a small son and would be livid if someone put me in this position, but sometimes preventing the accident is more important than who is at fault.
I guess the letter of the law is that you only need to stop at a ped x ing if they have set foot on it however good sense and anticipation is required by all. One thing peds don't realise is that a cyclist usually can't stop as quick as a car however it would seem that too many pricks on bikes don't realise this either and ride too hard and fast around crossings and people.
Last year I rode in London (Richmond) and like I always do slowed and stop in anticipation of a crossers. Other cyclists were giving me sideways looks as they wailed past but one very beautiful mum with pram stopped and said thanks.
Last year I rode in London (Richmond) and like I always do slowed and stop in anticipation of a crossers. Other cyclists were giving me sideways looks as they wailed past but one very beautiful mum with pram stopped and said thanks.
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