Volvo Pricing! how much for your car today?
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Volvo Pricing! how much for your car today, and is it worth it?
Is the company trying to commit suicide, it's certainly trying very hard to get kicked off our fleet.
I'll start off.
As part of the "new car time" exercise, is it "keep with what has served well" vs "keep another year" vs "change to a different marque."
So the Volvo car configurator was fired up.
Put in today's equivalent of current car V50 SE-Lux 2.0D Powershift Metallic Paint, plus what then were the communications and winter packs. Thus heated seats, headlight washers, sat nav, bluetooth and keyless drive, the latter not wanted but found to be so handy. I digress.
The list price of this only two years ago was ~26k.
Today? Same spec but put together in a different way, is within spitting distance of £31k.
W.T.F.
It is so not worth that amount. No way.
Volvo
Comments
2.0D TDCi replaced with 2.0D D3
Only other standard thing now included are the adaptive Bi-Xenon lights.
Otherwise like for like.
Even downgrading to the small engine and going for a manual transmission still results in a significant increase.
Is the company trying to commit suicide, it's certainly trying very hard to get kicked off our fleet.
I'll start off.
As part of the "new car time" exercise, is it "keep with what has served well" vs "keep another year" vs "change to a different marque."
So the Volvo car configurator was fired up.
Put in today's equivalent of current car V50 SE-Lux 2.0D Powershift Metallic Paint, plus what then were the communications and winter packs. Thus heated seats, headlight washers, sat nav, bluetooth and keyless drive, the latter not wanted but found to be so handy. I digress.
The list price of this only two years ago was ~26k.
Today? Same spec but put together in a different way, is within spitting distance of £31k.
W.T.F.
It is so not worth that amount. No way.
VolvoComments
2.0D TDCi replaced with 2.0D D3
Only other standard thing now included are the adaptive Bi-Xenon lights.
Otherwise like for like.
Even downgrading to the small engine and going for a manual transmission still results in a significant increase.
It's not just the pricing though - although I agree, XC60 aside they just are n't competitive unless you are part exing another Volvo.
Since his first 240GLT, my Dad has had six Volvo estates all purchased new.
His current V70 is likely to be chopped in soon, and for the first time in 20 years a Volvo is n't even an option.
He wants a petrol with an automatic gearbox, which rules out almost everything Volvo sell.
Factor in that the local dealer has closed, that even a resale specced diesel depreciates much faster comparitvely than they used to and the uncertainty over Geeley ownership, and I cant see a single reason to even look at them.
If Volvo's traditional customer base like my Father are better catered to by Merc, I really dont hold much hope for them.
Since his first 240GLT, my Dad has had six Volvo estates all purchased new.
His current V70 is likely to be chopped in soon, and for the first time in 20 years a Volvo is n't even an option.
He wants a petrol with an automatic gearbox, which rules out almost everything Volvo sell.
Factor in that the local dealer has closed, that even a resale specced diesel depreciates much faster comparitvely than they used to and the uncertainty over Geeley ownership, and I cant see a single reason to even look at them.
If Volvo's traditional customer base like my Father are better catered to by Merc, I really dont hold much hope for them.
Yip can't agree more. Went to change my 08 V50 2.0D SE Lux with the equivalent 2011 version and had to keep ticking the option boxes for 'extras' that were standard on my 2008 version. Things like heated seats, electric seat adjustment etc are now extra. Would not pay the thick end of £28,000. New Passat arriving tomorrow.
oldmanbm said:
Yip can't agree more. Went to change my 08 V50 2.0D SE Lux with the equivalent 2011 version and had to keep ticking the option boxes for 'extras' that were standard on my 2008 version. Things like heated seats, electric seat adjustment etc are now extra. Would not pay the thick end of £28,000. New Passat arriving tomorrow.
When we bought our V50 last year we were comparing them against Audi and BMW rather than VW and Ford. On that comparison we found the Volvo was cheaper for equivalent spec. I guess that's where Volvo are heading with their pricing strategy.At one time when the old S60 in SE spec was our favourite car our car park looked like a Volvo dealer's, especially when adding in the V70 fleet.
We now have one on order, a V50, not a single S60 or V60, and one V70 left. Quite a few V50's and S40s but can't see them being replaced.
Plus how many S60s / V60s have people seen out on the roads?
I've seen the two we had on test, another V60 demonstrator as recognised the number, and one of each from proper customers. Looking at what Volvo are banging on TV advertising and the fact that the R-designs are out already, to be honest I think they are in the brown and murky.
We now have one on order, a V50, not a single S60 or V60, and one V70 left. Quite a few V50's and S40s but can't see them being replaced.
Plus how many S60s / V60s have people seen out on the roads?
I've seen the two we had on test, another V60 demonstrator as recognised the number, and one of each from proper customers. Looking at what Volvo are banging on TV advertising and the fact that the R-designs are out already, to be honest I think they are in the brown and murky.
).There are quite a few threads where people have discussed the V50 so I'll restrict my comments to the engine.
This is assuming you are referring to the Volvo version of the 4 pot Ford TDCi as opposed to the 5 pot D3 which is a destroked 2.4D itself previously known as the D5 back quite a few years ago.
I'm now on my third 2.0D TDCi, first one was Ford, other two Volvo. Done 100k in first two and current one only about 45k so far.
To say it's the same engine doesn't accord with my experience, maybe it's the electronics but was glad to be rid of the Ford as it always had a flat spot, and when the dealer installed a software upgrade to cure it, they forgot to calibrate the injectors and left it running like a bag of spanners. Eventually smoothed out but it never recovered from that. That was on a 52 plate car so some time ago, but we (we as in work) had another Mondeo that was eventually sent back end of last year as it kept going into limp mode, nobody could cure it and rejection was finally accepted.
The two Volvos have been fine, never missed a beat, never used any oil, water, and the current one on a mixture of short, long, local, motorway use is giving 48-49, plus it's an auto. Most economical at a steady 65-70 on the motorway when you are easily well in the 50s.
Never failed to start even after sitting in -20C or lower for 7-10 days.
Some people have reported issues with oil leaks and various stuff but not seen this on any of mine. The only thing can say is that on the last one a couple of times if trying to fire up and drive away immediately the engine seemed to have a second or two where it had no power, and then it would sort itself out and run Ok. One of these occasions was on a steep ferry ramp so could have been embarrassing if continued like that. Being picky now.
Performance is as OK (or not) as any cooking diesel estate is ever going to be, ie not quick in the overall scheme of things but gnat's under 10s to 60, 125plus top speed which I can confirm has been hit in Germany many times.
Torque fine, no real turbo lag, revs reasonably smoothly but it's a diesel and is nowhere near as thrummy as, say VW PD engines.
The D5 is a better engine however, sounds better, goes better, not much difference in real world fuel consumption, but on the occasions I've had to clatter one then you can almost see the fuel gauge drop, ok exaggeration for effect.
The manual box that goes with the D5 is clunky and personally don't like, would only consider auto. Aiui from hearsay the D5 much stronger engine for high mileage, but no personal facts to put into that, suffice to say we have had a fair few D5 and 2.4D on the job fleet but not heard of massive problems and fleet manager is a mate.
Think that's it really, hth.
This is assuming you are referring to the Volvo version of the 4 pot Ford TDCi as opposed to the 5 pot D3 which is a destroked 2.4D itself previously known as the D5 back quite a few years ago.
I'm now on my third 2.0D TDCi, first one was Ford, other two Volvo. Done 100k in first two and current one only about 45k so far.
To say it's the same engine doesn't accord with my experience, maybe it's the electronics but was glad to be rid of the Ford as it always had a flat spot, and when the dealer installed a software upgrade to cure it, they forgot to calibrate the injectors and left it running like a bag of spanners. Eventually smoothed out but it never recovered from that. That was on a 52 plate car so some time ago, but we (we as in work) had another Mondeo that was eventually sent back end of last year as it kept going into limp mode, nobody could cure it and rejection was finally accepted.
The two Volvos have been fine, never missed a beat, never used any oil, water, and the current one on a mixture of short, long, local, motorway use is giving 48-49, plus it's an auto. Most economical at a steady 65-70 on the motorway when you are easily well in the 50s.
Never failed to start even after sitting in -20C or lower for 7-10 days.
Some people have reported issues with oil leaks and various stuff but not seen this on any of mine. The only thing can say is that on the last one a couple of times if trying to fire up and drive away immediately the engine seemed to have a second or two where it had no power, and then it would sort itself out and run Ok. One of these occasions was on a steep ferry ramp so could have been embarrassing if continued like that. Being picky now.
Performance is as OK (or not) as any cooking diesel estate is ever going to be, ie not quick in the overall scheme of things but gnat's under 10s to 60, 125plus top speed which I can confirm has been hit in Germany many times.
Torque fine, no real turbo lag, revs reasonably smoothly but it's a diesel and is nowhere near as thrummy as, say VW PD engines.
The D5 is a better engine however, sounds better, goes better, not much difference in real world fuel consumption, but on the occasions I've had to clatter one then you can almost see the fuel gauge drop, ok exaggeration for effect.
The manual box that goes with the D5 is clunky and personally don't like, would only consider auto. Aiui from hearsay the D5 much stronger engine for high mileage, but no personal facts to put into that, suffice to say we have had a fair few D5 and 2.4D on the job fleet but not heard of massive problems and fleet manager is a mate.
Think that's it really, hth.
F i F,
Many thanks for that. The cars I`m looking at are `57 / `08 platers, which engine will those have?
I`ve seen some D5 autos that appear really good value but I assumed that the auto would blunt economy and they`re heavy on tax too.
I`ve had a read of the various V50 threads using the search but as this was an `active` thread I thought I`d ask....
So, present pricing aside, would you get another V50?
Many thanks for that. The cars I`m looking at are `57 / `08 platers, which engine will those have?
I`ve seen some D5 autos that appear really good value but I assumed that the auto would blunt economy and they`re heavy on tax too.
I`ve had a read of the various V50 threads using the search but as this was an `active` thread I thought I`d ask....
So, present pricing aside, would you get another V50?
Deerfoot said:
F i F,
Many thanks for that. The cars I`m looking at are `57 / `08 platers, which engine will those have?
I`ve seen some D5 autos that appear really good value but I assumed that the auto would blunt economy and they`re heavy on tax too.
I`ve had a read of the various V50 threads using the search but as this was an `active` thread I thought I`d ask....
So, present pricing aside, would you get another V50?
The 2.0d in those cars will be the 4-cyl that FiF is talking about. Volvo have just changed their engine range and their naming, I think only the D2 engine is a 4-cyl now. We bought a V50 D4 (2.0d 5-cyl 177PS) last June and really like it. The car before was a C30 2.0d (so with the engine you're talking about) and it was a great car too IMO, engine was strong enough and yet still fairly efficient although like all engines they aren't hugely efficient around town.Many thanks for that. The cars I`m looking at are `57 / `08 platers, which engine will those have?
I`ve seen some D5 autos that appear really good value but I assumed that the auto would blunt economy and they`re heavy on tax too.
I`ve had a read of the various V50 threads using the search but as this was an `active` thread I thought I`d ask....
So, present pricing aside, would you get another V50?
We considered the 1.6 DRIVe (stop-start) engine for the V50 but it was just gutless on a test-drive. I'm not sure why Volvo don't offer stop-start on all their engines now, but currently it's only the small engines.
Edited by ewenm on Friday 18th February 17:00
Deerfoot said:
F i F,
Many thanks for that. The cars I`m looking at are `57 / `08 platers, which engine will those have?
I`ve seen some D5 autos that appear really good value but I assumed that the auto would blunt economy and they`re heavy on tax too.
I`ve had a read of the various V50 threads using the search but as this was an `active` thread I thought I`d ask....
So, present pricing aside, would you get another V50?
You're welcome, ewenm has answered some of your questions already.Many thanks for that. The cars I`m looking at are `57 / `08 platers, which engine will those have?
I`ve seen some D5 autos that appear really good value but I assumed that the auto would blunt economy and they`re heavy on tax too.
I`ve had a read of the various V50 threads using the search but as this was an `active` thread I thought I`d ask....
So, present pricing aside, would you get another V50?
The D5s that I've noticed heavy on fuel were Geartronic autos, so mayybe your thoughts are valid. Mine is a 2.0D Powershift which is the twin clutch dsg type box, and if anything that's better than the previous 6 sp manual, though not much in it.
Present pricing aside, have another? Yes, no question.
The only slight downside is that at times find it a little small, in my case mostly boot space I'd say. Have also discovered just how good a wafter the Skoda Superb Combi is, so much space, so much kit, such a nice ride, but of course a much bigger vehicle.
Once again, thanks gents!
The size is kind of why I`m looking at the V50, I originally started looking at Octavia Estates but the wife (she`ll drive it 80% of the time) thought they were too big. I`m sick of our MPV and thought an estate would be ideal. We`ve previously had an Accord Tourer and she thought that was too big so that`s the Superb Wagon out too.
I`m reluctant to go down the 3 series / A4 route and the V50 has always looked a really nice package.
I need to do some more research I think.
The size is kind of why I`m looking at the V50, I originally started looking at Octavia Estates but the wife (she`ll drive it 80% of the time) thought they were too big. I`m sick of our MPV and thought an estate would be ideal. We`ve previously had an Accord Tourer and she thought that was too big so that`s the Superb Wagon out too.
I`m reluctant to go down the 3 series / A4 route and the V50 has always looked a really nice package.
I need to do some more research I think.
Agree, I really really like the look of the new s60 but cant justify buying new at these prices (even with the heavy discounts offered or going through companies like broadspeed) Guess it will be a 6-12 month wait now to see what will happen to used prices.
F i F said:
Volvo Pricing! how much for your car today, and is it worth it?
Is the company trying to commit suicide, it's certainly trying very hard to get kicked off our fleet.
I'll start off.
As part of the "new car time" exercise, is it "keep with what has served well" vs "keep another year" vs "change to a different marque."
So the Volvo car configurator was fired up.
Put in today's equivalent of current car V50 SE-Lux 2.0D Powershift Metallic Paint, plus what then were the communications and winter packs. Thus heated seats, headlight washers, sat nav, bluetooth and keyless drive, the latter not wanted but found to be so handy. I digress.
The list price of this only two years ago was ~26k.
Today? Same spec but put together in a different way, is within spitting distance of £31k.
W.T.F.
It is so not worth that amount. No way.
Volvo
Comments
2.0D TDCi replaced with 2.0D D3
Only other standard thing now included are the adaptive Bi-Xenon lights.
Otherwise like for like.
Even downgrading to the small engine and going for a manual transmission still results in a significant increase.
Is the company trying to commit suicide, it's certainly trying very hard to get kicked off our fleet.
I'll start off.
As part of the "new car time" exercise, is it "keep with what has served well" vs "keep another year" vs "change to a different marque."
So the Volvo car configurator was fired up.
Put in today's equivalent of current car V50 SE-Lux 2.0D Powershift Metallic Paint, plus what then were the communications and winter packs. Thus heated seats, headlight washers, sat nav, bluetooth and keyless drive, the latter not wanted but found to be so handy. I digress.
The list price of this only two years ago was ~26k.
Today? Same spec but put together in a different way, is within spitting distance of £31k.
W.T.F.
It is so not worth that amount. No way.
VolvoComments
2.0D TDCi replaced with 2.0D D3
Only other standard thing now included are the adaptive Bi-Xenon lights.
Otherwise like for like.
Even downgrading to the small engine and going for a manual transmission still results in a significant increase.
Sad fact is manufacturing costs are high and material cost are through the roof now I'll be the first to admit that there are very few new volvos I actually want to buy now but to give an example of increased costs - mrs morgrp bought new pushbike this week - she bought a bike that was last years model and cost the 2010 list price of £260 - this year the identical model costs £330 - bloke in the shop reckons they can't shift them since the price hike
After_Shock said:
Victor the new S60 is hardly anymore expensive than the old S60 that went out of production, o.k yes you could get an old one for £19995 when they were running them out due to the discounts, the new ones with heavy discounts arent much more ????
Yes I take your point now.After a bit more research a D3 R design can be had, after discount, for about 22,500 (+ maybe another 2k for options?).
£24.5k would be around 19k in 2001 money (after inflation etc) so I guess Volvo pricing hasn't changed significantly over the years.
Edited by Victor McDade on Friday 11th March 14:52
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