Three Wheelers - Your opinions and expertise wanted!

[ugg10]

Looks actually quite cool, similar to the gaia deltoid.

[fuoriserie]

ugg10 said:

Looks actually quite cool, similar to the gaia deltoid.

Information on future developments on this video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XhCLloR6fPA

[fuoriserie]

http://www.ruko-fahrzeugtechnik.de/trike/index.htm...

The Ruko RKX1

[fuoriserie]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5nIIYpgOLPs#t=446

I don't think drifting in a Morgan three wheeler is a good idea...

[Steffan]

fuoriserie said:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5nIIYpgOLPs#t=446

I don't think drifting in a Morgan three wheeler is a good idea...

That is something of an understatement! One of the reasons why I like the low lines of the Berkeley and others and the very low CofG and Roll Centre is that hopping on the road lifting a wheel and going over and over headfirst is a challenge I prefer to avoid. Drifting a Morgan in the wet would definitely be a bridge too far. Just too dangerous IMO.

Keep the mass down and the rolling controlled is my approach. And the suspension nice and sft and the car very very low. Then stability becomes inherent to the handling. I think the Morgan is intended for the less enthusiastic driving. I have driven the cars and I do not think the handling is in the same league as a number of supposedly lesser manufacturers. Great looking car with provenance up to the highest of heights. But it needs serious development.

[fuoriserie]

Steffan said:

fuoriserie said:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5nIIYpgOLPs#t=446

I don't think drifting in a Morgan three wheeler is a good idea...

That is something of an understatement! One of the reasons why I like the low lines of the Berkeley and others and the very low CofG and Roll Centre is that hopping on the road lifting a wheel and going over and over headfirst is a challenge I prefer to avoid. Drifting a Morgan in the wet would definitely be a bridge too far. Just too dangerous IMO.

Keep the mass down and the rolling controlled is my approach. And the suspension nice and sft and the car very very low. Then stability becomes inherent to the handling. I think the Morgan is intended for the less enthusiastic driving. I have driven the cars and I do not think the handling is in the same league as a number of supposedly lesser manufacturers. Great looking car with provenance up to the highest of heights. But it needs serious development.

I believe there have been some changes to the suspensions on the 2014 model year ? but I'm sure someone can confirm what the changes have been.

[Steffan]

fuoriserie said:

Steffan said:

fuoriserie said:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5nIIYpgOLPs#t=446

I don't think drifting in a Morgan three wheeler is a good idea...

That is something of an understatement! One of the reasons why I like the low lines of the Berkeley and others and the very low CofG and Roll Centre is that hopping on the road lifting a wheel and going over and over headfirst is a challenge I prefer to avoid. Drifting a Morgan in the wet would definitely be a bridge too far. Just too dangerous IMO.

Keep the mass down and the rolling controlled is my approach. And the suspension nice and sft and the car very very low. Then stability becomes inherent to the handling. I think the Morgan is intended for the less enthusiastic driving. I have driven the cars and I do not think the handling is in the same league as a number of supposedly lesser manufacturers. Great looking car with provenance up to the highest of heights. But it needs serious development.

I believe there have been some changes to the suspensions on the 2014 model year ? but I'm sure someone can confirm what the changes have been.

To hear is to command

From what I can find this is about the best write up on the Mrgan see

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/car-manufactur...


Whether that actually addresses the serious concerns that have been expressed I know not. Morgan are in a bit of a kerfuffle currently as Charles Mrgan was unceremoniously dumped not long after the three Wheller came to the fore.

I do not know the details. However there have been fundamental changes in a seemingly unchangeable company where Semper Eadem coud well be the motto.

I personally have not driven the latest offerrings and until I have I will make no comment on the outcome and possible improvements if in fact there are any. It does suggest to me that the marketing boys at Morgan have heard the comments and sought to react in a professional and effective way. I hoe the handling is transformed. It really did need serious attention in the previous modes.

[fuoriserie]

Steffan said:

fuoriserie said:

Steffan said:

fuoriserie said:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5nIIYpgOLPs#t=446

I don't think drifting in a Morgan three wheeler is a good idea...

That is something of an understatement! One of the reasons why I like the low lines of the Berkeley and others and the very low CofG and Roll Centre is that hopping on the road lifting a wheel and going over and over headfirst is a challenge I prefer to avoid. Drifting a Morgan in the wet would definitely be a bridge too far. Just too dangerous IMO.

Keep the mass down and the rolling controlled is my approach. And the suspension nice and sft and the car very very low. Then stability becomes inherent to the handling. I think the Morgan is intended for the less enthusiastic driving. I have driven the cars and I do not think the handling is in the same league as a number of supposedly lesser manufacturers. Great looking car with provenance up to the highest of heights. But it needs serious development.

I believe there have been some changes to the suspensions on the 2014 model year ? but I'm sure someone can confirm what the changes have been.

To hear is to command

From what I can find this is about the best write up on the Mrgan see

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/car-manufactur...


Whether that actually addresses the serious concerns that have been expressed I know not. Morgan are in a bit of a kerfuffle currently as Charles Mrgan was unceremoniously dumped not long after the three Wheller came to the fore.

I do not know the details. However there have been fundamental changes in a seemingly unchangeable company where Semper Eadem coud well be the motto.

I personally have not driven the latest offerrings and until I have I will make no comment on the outcome and possible improvements if in fact there are any. It does suggest to me that the marketing boys at Morgan have heard the comments and sought to react in a professional and effective way. I hoe the handling is transformed. It really did need serious attention in the previous modes.

From this official Morgan info :

http://www.morgan-motor.co.uk/2014genevapressrelea...

Steering upgrade for model year 2014 and from here:

http://www.talkmorgan.com/ubbthreads.php/topics/18...

some other info......

[Steffan]

fuoriserie said:

Steffan said:

fuoriserie said:

Steffan said:

fuoriserie said:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5nIIYpgOLPs#t=446

I don't think drifting in a Morgan three wheeler is a good idea...

That is something of an understatement! One of the reasons why I like the low lines of the Berkeley and others and the very low CofG and Roll Centre is that hopping on the road lifting a wheel and going over and over headfirst is a challenge I prefer to avoid. Drifting a Morgan in the wet would definitely be a bridge too far. Just too dangerous IMO.

Keep the mass down and the rolling controlled is my approach. And the suspension nice and sft and the car very very low. Then stability becomes inherent to the handling. I think the Morgan is intended for the less enthusiastic driving. I have driven the cars and I do not think the handling is in the same league as a number of supposedly lesser manufacturers. Great looking car with provenance up to the highest of heights. But it needs serious development.

I believe there have been some changes to the suspensions on the 2014 model year ? but I'm sure someone can confirm what the changes have been.

To hear is to command

From what I can find this is about the best write up on the Mrgan see

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/car-manufactur...


Whether that actually addresses the serious concerns that have been expressed I know not. Morgan are in a bit of a kerfuffle currently as Charles Mrgan was unceremoniously dumped not long after the three Wheller came to the fore.

I do not know the details. However there have been fundamental changes in a seemingly unchangeable company where Semper Eadem coud well be the motto.

I personally have not driven the latest offerrings and until I have I will make no comment on the outcome and possible improvements if in fact there are any. It does suggest to me that the marketing boys at Morgan have heard the comments and sought to react in a professional and effective way. I hoe the handling is transformed. It really did need serious attention in the previous modes.

From this official Morgan info :

http://www.morgan-motor.co.uk/2014genevapressrelea...

Steering upgrade for model year 2014 and from here:

http://www.talkmorgan.com/ubbthreads.php/topics/18...

some other info......

Interesting items. The first seems to be a marketing splurge on Morgan. Far bit of detail in the second posting and it does seem from the comments of owners that there are a series of problems with the three wheeler set up. That was rather what I had tethered from driving the cars and hearing comments on the cars.

Phrases such as this modification makes it possible to get the steering arms level the describing the inherent problems of bump steer which appear not to be easily addressed suggests to me that there re indeed serious handling issues to be addressed. Possibly ok OTR but thereafter work is needed to keep the car controllable. That is not to say that the car is not fully developed OTR . But the comments certainly raise questions with me.

[fuoriserie]

Has anyone had experience driving a Tritech Autocraft Zetta with the Honda 250 cc engine instead of a 400 or 500cc engine ?

http://scooterforums476.yuku.com/topic/9411/1998-T...

http://car-from-uk.com/sale.php?id=98054&count...

[fuoriserie]

fuoriserie said:

Steffan said:

fuoriserie said:

Steffan said:

fuoriserie said:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5nIIYpgOLPs#t=446

I don't think drifting in a Morgan three wheeler is a good idea...

That is something of an understatement! One of the reasons why I like the low lines of the Berkeley and others and the very low CofG and Roll Centre is that hopping on the road lifting a wheel and going over and over headfirst is a challenge I prefer to avoid. Drifting a Morgan in the wet would definitely be a bridge too far. Just too dangerous IMO.

Keep the mass down and the rolling controlled is my approach. And the suspension nice and sft and the car very very low. Then stability becomes inherent to the handling. I think the Morgan is intended for the less enthusiastic driving. I have driven the cars and I do not think the handling is in the same league as a number of supposedly lesser manufacturers. Great looking car with provenance up to the highest of heights. But it needs serious development.

I believe there have been some changes to the suspensions on the 2014 model year ? but I'm sure someone can confirm what the changes have been.

To hear is to command

From what I can find this is about the best write up on the Mrgan see

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/car-manufactur...


Whether that actually addresses the serious concerns that have been expressed I know not. Morgan are in a bit of a kerfuffle currently as Charles Mrgan was unceremoniously dumped not long after the three Wheller came to the fore.

I do not know the details. However there have been fundamental changes in a seemingly unchangeable company where Semper Eadem coud well be the motto.

I personally have not driven the latest offerrings and until I have I will make no comment on the outcome and possible improvements if in fact there are any. It does suggest to me that the marketing boys at Morgan have heard the comments and sought to react in a professional and effective way. I hoe the handling is transformed. It really did need serious attention in the previous modes.

From this official Morgan info :

http://www.morgan-motor.co.uk/2014genevapressrelea...

Steering upgrade for model year 2014 and from here:

http://www.talkmorgan.com/ubbthreads.php/topics/18...

some other info......

Interesting work on the Morgan front suspension:

http://www.fatcatmotorsports.com/FCM_M3W.htm#solut...

[big block]

Hi i can speak from experience of owning a can am spyder RSS, Canadian built by BRP. Great fun more like a superbike tho, it has 1000cc rotax v twin the same motor as Ducati fitted,mine had quite a few mods very very quick 0-60 3.2 sec I had 135 on clock limited, but got there quicker than my cobra. Was very sure footed, you couldn't go anywhere in a hurry tho for people asking questions! a great machine.Remember if it has 2 wheels at the front and you go for a gap and get through? the arse is going to follow!!

[MintSprint]

fuoriserie said:

Interesting work on the Morgan front suspension:

http://www.fatcatmotorsports.com/FCM_M3W.htm#solut...

fk me! 31mm (nearly 1 1/4") of toe change over 2" (51mm) of suspension travel!?

If true, that implies a level of incompetence with the suspension design that simply beggars belief!

[fuoriserie]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zuXWHGEBPT0#t=111

Nice video

[gareth h]

big block said:

Hi i can speak from experience of owning a can am spyder RSS, Canadian built by BRP. Great fun more like a superbike tho, it has 1000cc rotax v twin the same motor as Ducati fitted,mine had quite a few mods very very quick 0-60 3.2 sec I had 135 on clock limited, but got there quicker than my cobra. Was very sure footed, you couldn't go anywhere in a hurry tho for people asking questions! a great machine.Remember if it has 2 wheels at the front and you go for a gap and get through? the arse is going to follow!!

oops, you'll upset Ducati owners there! The Rotax was used by Aprilia.
Interesting to read about teh Morgan, I drove one at an open day at the factory, every time it hit a bump it pointed at the hedge and tried to kill me! A shame, I really wanted to like it.

[ugg10]

New Pembleton chassis/body preview on Totalkitcar.com today -

http://www.totalkitcar.com/2014/12/19/steve-says-f...

[MintSprint]

ugg10 said:

New Pembleton chassis/body preview...

Looks lovely, but the article seems to suggest that it's a one-off special, based on the Pembleton chassis, rather than a new production model from Pembleton themselves?

[fuoriserie]

MintSprint said:

ugg10 said:

New Pembleton chassis/body preview...

Looks lovely, but the article seems to suggest that it's a one-off special, based on the Pembleton chassis, rather than a new production model from Pembleton themselves?

Nice looking design.

[fuoriserie]

Some nice videos on three wheelers and in this case the BERKELEY T60

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-mo1W5lVytU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KcozGxzvEOs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PD6j5XkliJw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6LY8UstAXgw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gU8kf_XH51k

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WjQK823sOrA

[Steffan]

fuoriserie said:

Some nice videos on three wheelers and in this case the BERKELEY T60

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-mo1W5lVytU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KcozGxzvEOs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PD6j5XkliJw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6LY8UstAXgw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gU8kf_XH51k

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WjQK823sOrA

Well that has made an old man ( me!) smile. As you will know I still maintain the Berekeley cars remain the best ultra light moonocoque three wheelers and I respectfully suggest that these confirm that view. Never bettered as yet IMO. Many have tried but for a simple robust monocoque with real longevity these cars take some beating. Pity the engineering of the time let them down. Nice post. Happy New Year to you!