Game of Thrones - No spoilers

[Halb]

richtea78 said:

Great Jon was captured by the Freys at the Red Wedding. Rickon is off to see another of the Umbers, the nephew iirc

In the book, one of the programme's top people, Cogman says in the show, Great Jon was fighting in he Riverlands. I was hoping to see him in Winterfell.

[redtwin]

Spanna said:

The rape scene from This Is England, Channel 4 series not the movie, was plenty more brutal and involving.

One of the most disturbing things I have seen on broadcast Telly. Still makes me feel ill thinking about it.

The Sansa scene was unpleasant, but she knew what she was getting into. She chose to be there despite repeated warnings.

[blueg33]

redtwin said:

Spanna said:

The rape scene from This Is England, Channel 4 series not the movie, was plenty more brutal and involving.

One of the most disturbing things I have seen on broadcast Telly. Still makes me feel ill thinking about it.

The Sansa scene was unpleasant, but she knew what she was getting into. She chose to be there despite repeated warnings.

I read that the actress who plays Sansa was excited by the scene and looked forward to going it because it was so "messed up".

[redtwin]

She was probably bored with playing the naive little girl. Her scene is probably now the most talked about one of the show this series.

No such thing as bad publicity or something like that.

[glazbagun]

Yeah when I heard she was going to be in an X-Men movie it did occur to me how happy she must be to be doing something other than moving sullenly from one horror to the next while blubbing.

TBH she could be written out of the entire plot so far and I doubt it would make a difference. She only seems to exist because in GRRM's day you couldn't play The Sims and wall a character in to make them miserable. It gets boring quickly.

[Tony Starks]

I thought the Sansa/Ramsey scene was no worse than the Dany/Khal Drogo wedding night.

I really do have my fingers crossed that Sansa gets killed off soon as she really is the most boring/pointless character in any TV series. Even worse than Chloe from 24.

[Calza]

I can't see how it's any more rape than any other 'bedding' in GoT. Not every wife is excited about their new husband, indeed most are by arrangement. But Sansa would have known clearly it was going to happen. The noises weren't that horrific to be honest ... it was her first time - it was always going to be a touch sore wasn't it?

[BJG1]

Halb said:

It might have been rough, and horrible and degrading, but she consented ultimately?

Consent because you're petrified for your own safety is not consent. That scene depicted rape. Not that I have an issue with that but let's not pretend it wasn't, even if it's all she could have reasonably have expected to happen.

[Halb]

Calza said:

I can't see how it's any more rape than any other 'bedding' in GoT. Not every wife is excited about their new husband, indeed most are by arrangement. But Sansa would have known clearly it was going to happen. The noises weren't that horrific to be honest ... it was her first time - it was always going to be a touch sore wasn't it?

That's what I was thinking. The bedding ceremony is something that is going to happen on the wedding night. It was unusual that Sansa married someone who has an unusual level of sensitivity (Tyrion) for the culture as to not go through with it.

[JontyR]

BJG1 said:

Halb said:

It might have been rough, and horrible and degrading, but she consented ultimately?

Consent because you're petrified for your own safety is not consent. That scene depicted rape. Not that I have an issue with that but let's not pretend it wasn't, even if it's all she could have reasonably have expected to happen.

Think you might want to edit that somewhat....It does make out that you condone rape...which isn't quite what I think/hope you were trying to say

[BJG1]

JontyR said:

BJG1 said:

Halb said:

It might have been rough, and horrible and degrading, but she consented ultimately?

Consent because you're petrified for your own safety is not consent. That scene depicted rape. Not that I have an issue with that but let's not pretend it wasn't, even if it's all she could have reasonably have expected to happen.

Think you might want to edit that somewhat....It does make out that you condone rape...which isn't quite what I think/hope you were trying to say

Think you'd have to wilfully misunderstand to think that, given the discussion/outcry is about the depiction of rape. I'm saying I have no issue with GOT choosing to depict rape, anyway.

[Jasandjules]

Again, I'll ask - was there this much furore when Theon's man sausage was chopped off and Ramsey ate a sausage in front of him.

[irocfan]

Tony Starks said:

I thought the Sansa/Ramsey scene was no worse than the Dany/Khal Drogo wedding night.

now that is a very fair point - you could even argue that Dani's depiction was worse since she came to love her rapist....

[P-Jay]

Jasandjules said:

If there is such a hoo-ha online about this, what was there about Theon (sp?) having one or two problems with Ramsey?!?!

Just wondering if there are double standards...

Oh, and I was sure he (Theon) would either (1) be made to join in (2) kill Ramsey for it and try to escape with Sansa

I've said it before, but there's more than 'just' rape at play here.

When the scene was first shown the immediate "hoo-ha" was caused by diehard book fans, "it's different in the book" they all cried, mostly they were pissed off than Sansa (who I believe is more fierce in the book, much like her sister) has been reduced to a quivering maiden whose only function in the TV series is to go from ahole to ahole in various states of distress - 'Sansa' the character is better than that.

BUT, since than many more people have read these complaints, missed the part about the book and it's become "OMG a young women has been shagged on TV and she didn't seem to enjoy it" by the standards of GoT it's far from the worst thing to happen to someone.

For example Claire McCaskill

http://edition.cnn.com/2015/05/19/politics/claire-...

Seemingly didn't mind the slavery, the mutilation, the endless killing, the children thrown from windows, the prostitution, the guy having his head melted with gold.... or indeed the rape in season 1.

Well until, it gained some traction online and she could grab a few column inches from it.

[ali_kat]

Jasandjules said:

Again, I'll ask - was there this much furore when Theon's man sausage was chopped off and Ramsey ate a sausage in front of him.

No

And this is not the 1st rape in GoT

It's been done far FAR nicer on TV than in the book (where it wasn't even Sansa, it was a fake Arya & Theon knew her to be fake).

She was a virgin so it was going to hurt. Ramsey likes pain, she knew this & knew it was going to hurt!

It's silly PC people making a molehill into a mountain

[Halb]

irocfan said:

Tony Starks said:

I thought the Sansa/Ramsey scene was no worse than the Dany/Khal Drogo wedding night.

now that is a very fair point - you could even argue that Dani's depiction was worse since she came to love her rapist....

I thought it was worse. The two scenes are very similar. Young girl basically sold into marriage for the 'greater good' and expected to perform stuff.
Khal, even though he was rough, wasn't cruel or sadistic (having his bloodriders watch, although actually in the book it's normal, sexual activity is performed infront of the tribe...different culture). Drogo was actually a caring man, Ramsay isn't. There is quite a possibility that things may get a lot worse for Sansa.

Last year there was whinging from the usual quarters over the Craster's Keep rape scene and the Jaime/Cersei crypt sex scene.

[richtea78]

Tony Starks said:

I really do have my fingers crossed that Sansa gets killed off soon as she really is the most boring/pointless character in any TV series. Even worse than Chloe from 24.

Thats harsh! She isnt that boring! It is annoying that she has developed differently as the book character becomes much more interesting. I do hope they bring this in to the TV show at some point though. I find Dany the EMO Queen far more annoying. All she does is whinge and moan

[MartG]

[Lynchie999]

GofT Musical people!

Red Noseday thing done with Coldplay... theres a few different ones...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVqFkJ3suxQ

"I was his uncle.... I was also his daaaaddd!!!"

[BlackST]

This season is flying over
The weekend already.