Meanwhile, In Syria

[Halb]

QuantumTokoloshi said:

I am really struggling to find anyone actually doing the fighting in Syria. There seems to be moderates coming out of every orifice. Al Qaeda is now in the moderate definition.

There seems more peace and moderate groups in Syria, than a Zen garden Woodstock concert on weed.

Edited by QuantumTokoloshi on Tuesday 24th November 14:22

It's come to a pretty pass when al-quadea are classes as moderates.

[Puggit]

Ali_T said:

Soooo, the people getting bombed are saying they're moderates? Should we believe them?

They're more moderate than ISIS

[maxxy5]

glazbagun said:

Seems a long time since the "if you're not for us you're against us" days of GWB. Is there a reason why ISIS held lands haven't had their oil pipelines bombed? Surely it's relatively easy to keep blowing up a section repeatedly from the air until the cows come home. Or does Europe/Turkey depend on them?

The reason was that ISIS oil is bought by almost everybody over there, including their enemies, so cutting off the supply would risk alienating friendlies/civilians. Russia obviously don't care... There's an explanation of ISIS oil on the FT website.

[QuantumTokoloshi]

Looks like Turkey is really playing a dangerous game. The Greeks are seeing this shooting down as a serious threat to them, with Turkish incursions into Greek airspace, they are a NATO Ally too, while the Egyptians are not happy campers either.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/jul/29/tu...

"Two of America’s linchpin allies in the Middle East are bitterly feuding, complicating the Obama administration’s hopes of confronting Sunni Salafists and containing the ambitions of Shiite Iran.

Egypt is accusing Turkey of working with the Islamic State on the Sinai Peninsula, a new low in the already poor relations between the two regional powers.

On July 12, the Egyptian military spokesman said authorities had uncovered a “terrorist cell” receiving instructions from Muslim Brotherhood headquarters in Turkey whose mission was to destabilize Egypt. Istanbul serves as the broadcast center for Muslim Brotherhood groups that have called for the overthrow of Mr. el-Sisi, the spokesman said.

One of the groups, Mekamelin, or Finishing the Job, transmitted satellite television feeds to Sinai that featured Islamic extremist Hossam Alshorabagy, who regularly accuses army conscripts from Upper Egypt of raping Bedouin women while patrolling the Sinai Peninsula.

Egyptian officials also contend that Turkish weapons showed up in the hands of Ansar Beit Al Maqdis militants who fought Egyptian troops in the Sinai town of Sheikh Zuweid in early July. A July 15 missile strike against an Egyptian patrol boat off the Gaza coast in the Mediterranean Sea also likely used Turkish weapons, the officials said."

I really hope Turkey is not implicated in the Russian airliner being shot down. Is Turkey trying to take over from Saudi and Quatar in supporting all these "moderately" Islamist Fundamentalist types.

Edited by QuantumTokoloshi on Tuesday 24th November 16:56

[AreOut]

AJS- said:

Anyone in the know able to confirm if my amateur guessing was right? I would guess the 10 minutes was between when they first crossed into Turkish airspace and then looped around for a second bite?

Deliberate wind up?

they would use fighters for a wind up, not defenseless bombers

Transmitter Man said:

Nice thing about Turkey shooting down a Russia fighter jet: Russian pilots now know their planes are defenseless against #NATO missiles.

Phil

are you stupid or just a muzzie scum trolling here? You seem to be quite happy that aircraft which was pounding snackbaring positions got shot down. It was a bomber = not meant for A2A combat, also they very well know that western missiles could shoot down any aircraft.

QuantumTokoloshi said:

Turkey has moved it "airspace" 5 km into Syrian territory since 2012. Seems Turkey now includes part of Syria as it airspace.

They also seem quite happy to bomb the "bad" Turkmen at will in Syria.

http://blogs.plymouth.ac.uk/dcss/2015/07/27/turkis...

yupp it seems you are right, this seems to be the source of the problem

http://www.globalresearch.ca/russia-violated-turki...

obviously Russians are using older maps and consider it syrian territory

this is their version

http://www.mycity-military.com/slika.php?slika=190...

[QuantumTokoloshi]

Worth a watch, a summary of where we are now. Includes more "moderates" in Syria, thoroughly enjoying themselves shooting at defenceless pilots coming down by parachute, You will never guess what they are shouting... Yup "moderate" Islamist Turkmen Fundamentalists are all very keen on Alan's Snackbar.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JxTVwHXGfvI

Let's see if Turkey are going to be so keen to bomb YKK (The bad Turkmen according to Erdogen) positions in Syria, now that SU-30 and S400 SAMs have just had the safety clicked off.

Edited by QuantumTokoloshi on Tuesday 24th November 22:16

[Budflicker]

Transmitter Man said:

Moscow hasn't provided its own sat imagery/jet flight path because it still hasn't finished doctoring them yet

Phil

Did your wife leave you for a Russian or something, I've never seen anybody get such delight from other humans being killed, the way you post YouTube clips up of people being killed by the now moderate Al Quida rebel groups shouting Alan's snack bar after firing off a TOW or manpad missile is shocking.

If you are British then you shame us as a nation.

[AreOut]

Budflicker said:

If you are British then you shame us as a nation.

This.

[AreOut]

ex-NORAD commander speaking

http://video.foxnews.com/v/4630118119001/radar-tra...

[Driller]

An intelligent person didn't need to see that interview to know the truth from looking at the big picture of what is going on in Syria.

That video confirms it though.

Transmitter man you have some sort of agenda, it's quite bizare. The phrase "protest too much" comes to mind. To have such a continually polarised view in the face of so much apparently confliicting information from variously sensationalist sources is very odd IMO.

[Transmitter Man]

"We fired in the air, the Russians died in the air"

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleea...

+ at 24 seconds in, I spy with my little eye...

BTW Quantum, this groups is in no way, shape or form connected with IS although I'll allow you to of course disagree.

Phil

[Transmitter Man]

Turkish Air Force warning to Russian pilot;

http://theaviationist.com/2015/11/24/audio-tuaf-wa...

Phil

[chris watton]

Just read this little piece about the Frances Barber tweet regarding an Uber taxi drier telling her she needs to cove up:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/islamic-...

I had no idea that Brussels, the 'capital' of the EU is 40% Muslim!

[Cobnapint]

Transmitter Man said:

"We fired in the air, the Russians died in the air"

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleea...

+ at 24 seconds in, I spy with my little eye...

...A Russian made SA-14 MANPAD.

What's the prize..?

[cirian75]

did Turkey not think to tell their Turkmen if we shoot down a Russian/Syrian jet, do not shoot the ejected pilots ?

[QuantumTokoloshi]

Transmitter Man said:

Turkish Air Force warning to Russian pilot;

http://theaviationist.com/2015/11/24/audio-tuaf-wa...

Phil

Odd, they were warning him while he was still in Syrian airspace, his time in Turkish airspace could not have lasted more than 10 seconds. I guess extending your airspace by 5 km into Syrian airspace allows you to blow whomever you like out of the sky. Strange logic.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-11-24/17-second...

Edited by QuantumTokoloshi on Wednesday 25th November 09:28

[cirian75]

very bloody fishy, Turkey looks to have proper messed up.

[Zod]

chris watton said:

I had no idea that Brussels, the 'capital' of the EU is 40% Muslim!

The reason you had no idea is that it is not true. The correct figure is 20% (a high figure in itself). The problem is concentration in certain areas. Most of central Brussels is white European. Paris is the same, or in some ways worse; the Muslims are concentrated in vast, run-down, concrete estates in a ring outside the Peripherique.

[AngryPartsBloke]

QuantumTokoloshi said:

Transmitter Man said:

Turkish Air Force warning to Russian pilot;

http://theaviationist.com/2015/11/24/audio-tuaf-wa...

Phil

Odd, they were warning him while he was still in Syrian airspace, his time in Turkish airspace could not have lasted more than 10 seconds. I guess extending your airspace by 5 km into Syrian airspace allows you to blow whomever you like out of the sky. Strange logic.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-11-24/17-second...

Edited by QuantumTokoloshi on Wednesday 25th November 09:28

Erm, No it isn't? You seem to contiunely post a lot on subjects you clearly have no experiance or real knwledge of.

You do not warn Aircraft, especially armed military aircraft, when they enter your airspace. You Warn them BEFORE as they approach your airspace. WHen they enter your airspace, that is the redline. That is when you take action. What is so hard about that very simple concept for you to grasp?

[chris watton]

Zod said:

chris watton said:

I had no idea that Brussels, the 'capital' of the EU is 40% Muslim!

The reason you had no idea is that it is not true. The correct figure is 20% (a high figure in itself). The problem is concentration in certain areas. Most of central Brussels is white European. Paris is the same, or in some ways worse; the Muslims are concentrated in vast, run-down, concrete estates in a ring outside the Peripherique.

Where did the 40% figure come from?

Also, do you have any evidence that your 20% is the truth, and if so, how up to date is the data?